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Gamma

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What is the name of your state? I'm in Virginia.

When we bought our home in 2006, we financed 85% of it, and the person we bought it from took out a second deed of trust for the rest of the purchase price. The agreement was that we would refinance the house and pay him what we owe him. He did not require us to make payments on this note and I have that in writing.

In the meantime, as I'm sure everyone knows, the housing market tanked. I've been trying to refinance my home for a year with no success. It was appraised in November at 128,000. It appraised again at the beginning of March for 88,000.

My first mortgage is a 30 year, negative amortization adjustable mortgage with a balloon rider of 70,000 after 30 years. The rate will begin to adjust in 2009. It was through my own stupidity that I didn't read the contracts closely enough and I just found out about the negative amortization from talking to someone at another loan company. I didn't even know what it was or that this was the sort of loan I had until they explained it to me. The mortgage broker told me at the time that what he had prepared for me was a 30 year fixed conventional mortgage.

The man we bought the house from said that if we foreclosed on the first mortgage, he would simply buy it back when it was auctioned off on the courthouse steps (which is usually what happens where I live).

I really don't know what to do. I will never be able to sell the house for what I owe on it as there is no equity in it due to the negative amortization . The only good news is that the early payment penalty (which I also didn't know about until I called to get a payoff document) comes off in June of this year. I have never been late on a payment to my first mortgage.

Really at this point, all I want to do is get out of this situation as quickly and painlessly as possible although I realize that painless part might be a problem. What should I do?
 


What is the name of your state? I'm in Virginia.

When we bought our home in 2006, we financed 85% of it, and the person we bought it from took out a second deed of trust for the rest of the purchase price.
so you financed over 100% at purchase and are out nothing
The agreement was that we would refinance the house and pay him what we owe him.
was there a note/mortgage with this seller carry back?
He did not require us to make payments on this note and I have that in writing.
he was likely doing a neg. am himself and tacking on the prin. & int. to the mortgage
In the meantime, as I'm sure everyone knows, the housing market tanked. I've been trying to refinance my home for a year with no success.
this is because you owed 100+% of it's value from day one and with the market tanking it got severely worse
It was appraised in November at 128,000. It appraised again at the beginning of March for 88,000.
unusual for that area to tank that much during this time frame, however before I even got to this point I knew your home was way over inflated at time of purchase to assist your financing with the lender. This was done most likely at the seller's hand or his realtor (that did not require any payments on this seller carry back to decieve the lender to finance more than they should have) A wild guess but when it walks like a duck...
My first mortgage is a 30 year, negative amortization adjustable mortgage with a balloon rider of 70,000 after 30 years.
I know virtually every loan type there is like the back of my hand. However do NOT know what you mean by a neg. am WITH a balloon rider of 70k AFTER 30 yrs. This portion you need not worry because where you are taking this you aren't going to get that far anyway
The rate will begin to adjust in 2009.
Hon...this is the very least of your problems. That rate adj. in 09 is not even CLOSE to what is going to occur when the neg. am ability ceases that should be quite soon. This MEANS that you have been making paymts. based at a 1-2% rate of interest, however the ACTUAL rate of interest is approx. 7-8% and the difference in the paymt. is tacking onto your balance. If not already you will VERY soon be making the fully amortized paymts. and the payment shock is going to be horrific
It was through my own stupidity that I didn't read the contracts closely enough and I just found out about the negative amortization from talking to someone at another loan company.
How could you NOT have known about the neg. am when you purchased money that had such a LOW LOW payment? Most of these being 1% paymts.??? They come with statements of 4 options each and every month. 1.) neg am 2.) int. only (paying all of the interest at the fully indexed rate 3.) 30 yr. fully amortised 4.) 15 yr. amortised and YOU chose to pay ONLY the neg. am as MANY have because like a kid in a candy store it was the lowest payment. Further, the statement reflected how your balance was going up each and every month. It comes to a peak to not exceed 110% of the value at time of purchase. You are WAY past that with the market tanking. You ARE #2 REASON of #8 for so many foreclosures
I didn't even know what it was or that this was the sort of loan I had until they explained it to me.
that's what they ALL say, I am so stupid I did not know, in one setence I explained it to you and so did your statements
The mortgage broker told me at the time that what he had prepared for me was a 30 year fixed conventional mortgage.
maybe...I cannot speak for him. However he IS correct IF you had chosen pay option #3 of the neg. ams. The FULLY INDEXED RATE PRIN AND INT. This IS how these loans were sold. For seasonal workers. For young doctors, for those 95 yrs. old that had a short life expectancy. Oh...and the lenders are taking the WORST bath due to the market tanking. These loans ARE GONE I assure you. I fully agree these loans in their short lifetime they had were AWFUL and for anyone. We were doing them as well as a lender/broker. Very few and I personally tried to steer the borrowers away from them. I had a gentleman come back to see me recently with tears in his eyes that he lost his home in Cape Cod over THAT loan. I asked him if he was only paying the pay option #1 at a rate of 1% and he said yes...the 110% mark happened fast and he could NOT afford the paymt. when it went to a standard fully amort. loan. Not because he did not qualify for it in the beginning because lenders were required to qualify these loans at the fully indexed rate P.I.T.I. but he went on to buy yet another home etc. I have had customers come back (intelligent ones. that went on to buy high end cars and boats too) thinking they were quite well to do with that 1% paymt. because at the time the values were ONLY going up and the chance of that 110% mark was far away. Doesn't matter now because those loans are GONE...Thank God...you see...if the deals came across my desk and the customer WANTED it I HAD to give it to them. Oh...do not think I did not try to talk them out of it. My boss tried to tell me to deny them with anything I could. PARTICULAR the fixed income retired folks. However...I could NOT. Why do you suppose I could not? Especially to those folks? Age discrimination I would have been accused of. :(
The man we bought the house from said that if we foreclosed on the first mortgage, he would simply buy it back when it was auctioned off on the courthouse steps (which is usually what happens where I live).
I don't see another alternative either
I really don't know what to do.
is it a choice? I mean IS it a choice?
I will never be able to sell the house for what I owe on it as there is no equity in it due to the negative amortization .
and the market tanked on TOP of that toboot
The only good news is that the early payment penalty (which I also didn't know about until I called to get a payoff document) comes off in June of this year.
LOL, and what is this going to do? LOL, you can't pay it off, I don't even know why they had prepay penalties
I have never been late on a payment to my first mortgage.
Then you have not had the pay option even balloon yet...and when it DOES???
Really at this point, all I want to do is get out of this situation as quickly and painlessly as possible although I realize that painless part might be a problem.
Keep up ALL of your credit and get a hold of H.U.D., ACORNHOUSING.COM OR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND PREPARE YOURSELF FOR FORECLOSURE BECAUSE THERE IS "NO" DOUBT IN MY MIND YOU ARE GOING THERE
 
additionally... :)

The VERY MOST you could hope for...is the lender on the 1st HAS to refi./modify your mtg. into a standard 30 yr. fixed rate and roll in ALL of the arrearages and attys. fees as ordered by a judge (and this IS happening now) but not until after this goes into the deep end of foreclosure and gets to court. Some lenders are opening new depts. to begin doing them now regardless. They realize they don't want these homes and will darn near do anything to keep you in it. They will take you ALL the way to the end in HOPES you are going to bring current and make good...then they offer you a modification pkg. that LOOKS like a new refi. that MOST aren't even filling out because they think they won't qualify. That IS the point though, because if you did they have no reason to modify the loan:rolleyes:...they DON'T qualify so they rewrite to a comparable rate of interest to assist to KEEP you in the house. In your case...I have seen these mods. as low as 2% 30 yr. fixed. NO INT. ONLIES, NO A.R.M.S and no b.s.

Again...go to one of the help sites I gave you. Particularly acornhousing.org!!! The lenders doing these mods. are listed on there. Only you can't get them in a current status.
BTW...the lenders doing them? They are the ones that did these P.O.A's in the first place.
Is one of THESE your lender?

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Gamma

Junior Member
Thanks for your help so far.

To clarify a couple of points: I was never, EVER given anything that had payment options on it. All it said was this is your payment. Senderra Funding did our original loan, we made one payment, they sold it to Wilshire Credit Corporation. My monthly statements from Wilshire do not reflect payment options, they give one payment, that's it.

So there's nothing I can do while I'm current with my payments? The only option is to let my first loan go into deep foreclosure and hope that I can get it restructured?

Would it be better to file bankruptcy?
 
Start paying the full interest paymt. Do this to keep from further paying a neg. am. I can't believe that your monthly statement does not tell you the FULL int. only paymt.!!!
 
Did you try any of the places I told you about? Acornhousing.org? Did you find your lender on the list? There aren't that many more. lol

Get counseling for this if you want to save your home. :)
 
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