Question about supervised visitations

[stepmom04]

Does it have to be the dad present?

I suppose I am confused. I mean if the dad has to work...that's a good excuse...because he provides the support. But if the order stated it had to be dad, then if i was her...i'd have it changed to include other people or change the day to a day dad doesn't have to work.

 

[Silverplum]

I suppose I am confused.

Surprise!!!!!

 

[amberlea434]

Does it have to be the dad present?

I suppose I am confused. I mean if the dad has to work...that's a good excuse...because he provides the support. But if the order stated it had to be dad, then if i was her...i'd have it changed to include other people or change the day to a day dad doesn't have to work.

Like SP said, SM is not a party to the case, so she can't oversee the visitation.

If Dad was going to be so inconvenienced by the Saturday schedule, he should have spoken up in court about it. He agreed to it, therefore should make himself available.

 

[Silverplum]

Like SP said, SM is not a party to the case, so she can't oversee the visitation.

If Dad was going to be so inconvenienced by the Saturday schedule, he should have spoken up in court about it. He agreed to it, therefore should make himself available.

Absolutely correct.

Also, to nitpick: Dad was ORDERED to the schedule. He dang well better MAKE IT happen on Saturdays as ordered!

 

[stepmom04]

Surprise!!!!!

 

[stepmom04]

Like SP said, SM is not a party to the case, so she can't oversee the visitation.

If Dad was going to be so inconvenienced by the Saturday schedule, he should have spoken up in court about it. He agreed to it, therefore should make himself available.

Yeah, I suppose. But if I was dad...and if he's really working...I would change it. What if he didn't know that he would have to start working Saturdays? and if he don't work he will get fired. He does support the child.

He could be lying and not really be working. I don't know. I suppose it's contempt, but does she work and not able to work around his work schedule?

 

[Bloopy]

Like SP said, SM is not a party to the case, so she can't oversee the visitation.

If Dad was going to be so inconvenienced by the Saturday schedule, he should have spoken up in court about it. He agreed to it, therefore should make himself available.

If Dad were trying to offer and accommodate an alternate time, that would still be a violation of the court order. BUT it would show Dad is at least trying to facilitate Mom’s visitation and may need the order altered to include other people supervising or more flexibility in times.

Instead Dad’s being an @ss, as a judge will point out to him.

IMO, supervised visitation buy the other parent is a colossally stupid idea in the first place.

Mom should at least seek alternate people to supervise. Perhaps one of her family members... Her brother is your husband? Perhaps one of you is a plausible candidate.

Since Dad has failed to facilitate supervised visitation, he has little room to argue against a reasonable alternate.

 

[amberlea434]

Yeah, I suppose. But if I was dad...and if he's really working...I would change it. What if he didn't know that he would have to start working Saturdays? and if he don't work he will get fired. He does support the child.

He could be lying and not really be working. I don't know. I suppose it's contempt, but does she work and not able to work around his work schedule?

She's a waitress and her work schedule is sporadic. But, even then, it's not her responsibility to work around his schedule. It's vice versa. He didn't just startworking Saturday's, either.

 

[stepmom04]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? TN

I'm asking this question on behalf of my SIL. She has supervised visitations with her 5yo little boy at her ex-husband's house every Saturday for 4 hours. CO states that Mom gets to choose what times she would like to spend with their child and she must contact Dad any time before each Saturday to let him know the times and Dad must make the child available for her.

Dad works some Saturday's but SM is home with kiddo all day on Saturday's along with her own child that she has with Dad. Dad has been giving Mom a lot of heartburn when it comes to the times of the visitation. She'll call to set up the times and, more often than not, he'll tell her that she can't come at that time because he's working and won't be home until 7:00/8:00pm and she can come then. Well, as you can see, if she comes at 8, the visitation won't be over til midnight and kiddo usually crashes around 9 or so. She hadn't made a stink about it because she just wanted to see her little boy.

The past two Saturday's, Dad has denied Mom her visitations because they were "busy". She didn't know to call the police and file a police report (until I told her, after the fact) but says she will in the future.

Since their CO doesn't state specifically that Dad has to be present for the visitations, could Mom come to visit the child with SM present? If not, shouldn't Dad make himself available for her visitations since he agreed to Saturday's in court?

Why don't they just find a freaking another person to be present...mom can have visitation and dad can work.

I reread your first post...and I agree just busy don't cut it. But working seems legitimate to me.

 

[Humusluvr]

Did prettria return or what????

 

[Silverplum]

Amberlea, it should be shriekingly apparent to you that someone rolleyes is posting for the joy of writing nonsense.

Give it the respect and weight it's due, Amberlea.

Yeah, I suppose. But if I was dad...and if he's really working...I would change it. What if he didn't know that he would have to start working Saturdays? and if he don't work he will get fired. He does support the child.

He could be lying and not really be working. I don't know. I suppose it's contempt, but does she work and not able to work around his work schedule?

 

[Silverplum]

Did prettria return or what????

You'd think so!

 

[Humusluvr]

Why don't they just find a freaking another person to be present...mom can have visitation and dad can work.

Because it violates the order.

Its not a suggestion, its a court order.

geez.

 

[amberlea434]

Mom should at least seek alternate people to supervise. Perhaps one of her family members... Her brother is your husband? Perhaps one of you is a plausible candidate.

That's a great idea and wish we'd thought of that before the hearing. But, Mom was pro se and didn't know what she could or should ask for. This is all relatively new, so I doubt she'd be able to go back and modify it already.

 

[Bloopy]

That's a great idea and wish we'd thought of that before the hearing. But, Mom was pro se and didn't know what she could or should ask for. This is all relatively new, so I doubt she'd be able to go back and modify it already.

Yes she can.

She doesn't just want to nail him for contempt, she wants a plan to prevent this in the future.