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SCE Traumatizing Customers

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Can we sue SCE as a group? An increasing number of residents have NOISY, humming and traumatizing cheap transformers installed in our back yards.

Southern California Edison (SCE) purchased transformer boxes from Howard Industries of Laurel ,Mississippi. Federal ICE agents raided Howard Industries for hiring illegal aliens. Staff members of Howard Industries have been arrested and indicted.

SCE has traumatized residents unfortunate enough to have transformers in their back yards. SCE is insensitive and uncompassionate towards those who feel mistreated and abused. One Irvine widow is 80 years and has been traumatized to her wit's end by the excessive noise and vibration of the Howard unit. She was an art museum curator with affiliation to University of California, Irvine. She had her original box for about 40 years and I had mine for 33 with no problems or complaints.

SCE did not even offer to upgrade if the resident paid for the equipment and/or installation. Quiet transformers are available from GE PROLEC and ABB, for example but SCE did not even consider making this option available to people who have been adversely affected by the Howard Industries boxes.

Pacific Gas and Electric uses the ABB model and it is very quiet and acceptable to affected homeowners. Quiet transformers are very common making it an inexplicable mystery why SCE would purchase them; unless, of course, the driving criterion was cost (i.e. cheap).

SCE is facing decades of expenditures for replacement of pad-mounted transformers that it first installed in the 1960's. Apparently, it is buying inexpensive and noisy transformers from a firm that is operating illegally according to allegations of the Homeland Security Department.

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Howard Industries manager charged with conspiracy and employee verification fraud


Hattiesburg, Miss - Michael A. Holt, special agent-in-charge of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Office of Investigations in New Orleans and Stan Harris, Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of Mississippi, have announced the indictment of Jose Humberto González, Human Resources Manager for Howard Industries, Inc., in Laurel, Mississippi.

González was charged in a 25-count indictment with conspiracy and employee verification fraud in connection with the employment of illegal aliens at the company's transformer manufacturing facility in Laurel. González made his initial appearance on May 7, 2009, before U.S. Magistrate Judge Michael T. Parker at the federal courthouse in Hattiesburg.

González's indictment followed an immigration law enforcement action of the Laurel plant last August, during which 595 illegal aliens were subject to administrative arrest during the agency's largest-ever worksite enforcement action. Of those arrested, nine were charged criminally with aggravated identity theft and ultimately pled guilty to federal identity fraud charges.

"ICE aggressively targets employers who egregiously violate immigration laws by knowingly employing an illegal alien workforce," said Michael A. Holt, Special Agent-in-Charge of ICE's Office of Investigations in New Orleans. "This indictment demonstrates firsthand how ICE agents use our investigative tools to pursue those who take advantage of illegal labor for personal profit."

In the indictment, González was charged with conspiring to commit multiple offenses against the United States, including encouraging illegal aliens to reside in the United States, attempting to conceal and harbor illegal aliens, and falsely attesting to the validity of employment-related documents. The indictment alleges that it was a part of the conspiracy that González, on behalf of Howard Industries, would routinely hire illegal aliens and in the process of such hiring, would accept false identity documents, including alien registration receipt cards and Social Security cards.

The indictment further stated that, as part of the conspiracy, defendant González would submit Social Security numbers provided to him by applicants at the Laurel plant to the Social Security Administration to verify their numbers and, after being notified by the Social Security Administration that the Social Security numbers of such applicants were not found to be valid, González would nonetheless hire and continue to employ such persons. As charged, it was also a part of the conspiracy that González would instruct employees to obtain alternative identity documents which he knew falsely represented their true identities. The indictment further charges that it was also a part of the conspiracy that González would assure Spanish-speaking foreign nationals working at the Laurel plant that they would be warned if immigration authorities were coming to the plant.

In addition to the conspiracy charge, González was charged with 24 counts of falsely certifying to the employment eligibility of job applicants and employees. The indictment charges that, on various dates, González falsely certified, under penalty of perjury, on Form I-9 Employment Eligibility Verifications that he had examined the documents listed on the Form I-9 and determined them to be genuine and that, to the best of his knowledge, the applicant was eligible to work in the United States, whereas in fact he had been notified by the Social Security Administration that the Social Security numbers of such applicants were not found to be valid.

Defendant González faces a maximum of five years of imprisonment on each count. In addition to possible imprisonment, the defendant faces a maximum fine of $250,000, and three years of supervised release for each count.


-- ICE --

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of five integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities.
 


Banned_Princess

Senior Member
Do you know what traumatizing means?

If so, what is traumatizing about humming noise in the backyard? Cant people just close their windows?

After so long, people should get used to the noise and barely hear it anymore.

I seriously doubt you can sue whatever you called the company over noisy equipment.

Why dont you use another company.
 
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Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
Do you know what traumatizing means?

If so, what is traumatizing about humming noise in the backyard? Cant people just close their windows?

After so long, people should get used to the noise and barely hear it anymore.

I seriously doubt you can sue whatever you called the company over noisy equipment.

Why dont you use another company.
SCE is Southern Cal Edison. They own the power lines on the street. Using another company isn't an option.

OP can look into a suit for nuisance if the transformers are noisy.
 

Rexlan

Senior Member
It sounds like the OP has been traumatized to the point of lunacy and suffered some brain injury. :D

Oh great ... now I'm getting traumatized after reading this and listening to this florescent light!
 

benjineer

Junior Member
Johnmelissa, FYI: Howard is capable of building lower-noise transformers if required. The noise level is a function of the grade and amount of core steel, and yes, workmanship does play a part as well. Most transformers are designed to meet a maximum sound level determined by an old NEMA spec., so there is some limit. Many utilities often use a cost-of-losses formula to determine how their transformers should be built. The higher the cost-of-losses, the more likely the utility is to buy more efficient models with more material and a higher front-end cost. The U.S. Department of Energy recently agreed on a minimum efficiency level for transformers built after 2009. The higher efficiencies many times result in lower noise levels due to more/higher-grade core steel, so transformers will be getting quieter, on average, as older units are replaced.
 
Noisy Transformers

OK. The point is that SCE is using cheap equipment which puts hum and noise in back yards and houses traumatizing residents one of which is an 80-year-old widow. SCE will be installing thousands in the next 3 decades and these cheap noisy units will be causing many more problems. What's it say when the original GE unit never made any noise beyond 5 feet for 33 years? No complaints for 33 years. What's it say Howard Industries is raided by Homeland Security? It sounds like PERSONAL INJURY to me with a growing potential for CLASS ACTION. I'll bet the SCE CEO's house doesn't have a HUM from a Howard junk transformer in it. Does YOUR house have a HUM from the backyard transformer in it? No problems for 33 years now problems are popping up everywhere. What will SCE do? Further abuse customer/residents? Resolve the problem?
 
What Is It?

We've established what it is not. What IS it? Does everyone at this site think it's appropriate for SCE to begin a HUGE replacement campaign by installing cheap and inferior equipment that traumatizes residents including an 80-year-old widow after 40 no-complaint years of quiet service with a GE transformer, when it could easily obtain QUIET units and/or offer homeowners an upgrade with the homeowner paying the difference? Why do residents who have these noisy boxes in their yards think they're a humming nuisance but you here and SCE don't? Do you think the CEO of SCE would have this problem in HIS yard?
 

Rexlan

Senior Member
We've established what it is not. What IS it? Does everyone at this site think it's appropriate for SCE to begin a HUGE replacement campaign by installing cheap and inferior equipment that traumatizes residents including an 80-year-old widow after 40 no-complaint years of quiet service with a GE transformer, when it could easily obtain QUIET units and/or offer homeowners an upgrade with the homeowner paying the difference? Why do residents who have these noisy boxes in their yards think they're a humming nuisance but you here and SCE don't? Do you think the CEO of SCE would have this problem in HIS yard?
Well ... it would be much different if it there were (2) 30 years olds and a 21 year old ... (=81) ... maybe then we could get those better transformers because we would certainly have a case then!

Heck no the CEO doesn't have this garbage in his/her yard ... they have wind and solar power!

Here is what you need to do ... put your money where your mouth is, hire an attorney, and file a complaint ... latter go for a class action. You will need to fund this yourself in the interim. Based on you passion and commitment I'm confident you will do it, take them to task and teach them a lesson for us all.
Thanks!
 

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