Harrassment? Child Custody

[Artemis_ofthe_Hunt]

Sorry, blah blah blah about everything else you said. You have a pit bull puppy (too young to have separated) and you apparently think it is just dandy that you have a potentially dangerous animal around your growing child. All you can think about is that you won't be controlled by dad and you are going to keep your dog...why don't you consider that he might have a valid concern?

I'm not saying he deserves father of the year. But you are showing extremely poor judgement by having that animal around a small child, especially one that will have socialization issues by being separated too young from his litter and mother.

Hopefully your child won't be one on the news...you know, that story on every so often, "Family pet rips off childs face...he never showed any signs of aggression, Mom claims". I think Dad has a valid concern.

I've raised pits, dobies, rotties, boxers and german shepherds.... I've trained 'protective dogs', MP dogs, counterfeit dogs, and a couple of drug dogs... and never NEVER have I been more surprised than after reading this statement. The attacks that you read about don't show the whole picture usually. This PUPPY hasn't done anything (that's she's said) and you arbitrarily judge according to breed.... that's bassackwards and incorrect. While there is some need to be careful, villifying innocent animals creates panic.
I wouldn't have chosen a pit for protection, I would have chosen a rottie or a dobie. But that's me. I was bitten by a LABORADOR RETRIEVER when I was a child, my fathers best friend was killed by his Irish Setter.... I've found in my experience that its nurture over nature for the most part. Don't join the ranks of uneducated, panicky people about pits.... there's always more to the story.

There is no replacement for responsible ownership. Train the puppy, be watchful.... and consider others feeling about this breed.... it'll save you in the end....

 

[txmom512]

First and foremost you have to buy them from a responsible breeder, not from Joe on the street who fights dogs. /QUOTE]

NO responsible breeder would have given you a puppy of only 5 weeks. Even irresponsible commercial breeders are required to wait 8 weeks - it's the law.

Honestly, I get your point about feeling safe. My dd and I live alone and when she was 2 years old I got a great pyrenees, who grew to be 165 pounds. BUT his breed is the most gentle with kids that you could possibly own and I never worried about him being around my toddler. Not to mention, his size alone scared most adults silly (though kids would run up to him and hug him because he was very soft fluffy and huggable).

There are MANY other breeds that would have been much more suitable to a family w/ young children. MANY breeds.

 

[Ohiogal]

No I'm not in Wayne County, I'm in Washtenaw, the current order gives me sole physical and joint legal, the order only states that I cannot leave the state w/ my child w/o court approval. Nothing is stated about my current address. I should have did the PPO back when the assault took place, but he wasn't paying the mortgage and my home foreclosed. I was more concerned with securing housing for my children and I. The lawyer I spoke to, told me I would have a hard time doing it now. Do u think this is so? The assault occurred Jan 2, 2008. I took pics that night and then 2 days later when the bruises appeared, I called and called the officer who came on the scene to show him the bruises, I never heard back. I have the police report and the pics, I presented them at mediation.

You are still in violation of the law. YOU are REQUIRED to notify the court and other parent of ANY change of residence of the child. You have no chance of getting a PPO now. It would be the ultimate in showing the court that you are NOT fearful but rather playing games. Dad has a LEGAL RIGHT to know where his child lives.

 

[Isis1]

I've raised pits, dobies, rotties, boxers and german shepherds.... I've trained 'protective dogs', MP dogs, counterfeit dogs, and a couple of drug dogs... and never NEVER have I been more surprised than after reading this statement. The attacks that you read about don't show the whole picture usually. This PUPPY hasn't done anything (that's she's said) and you arbitrarily judge according to breed.... that's bassackwards and incorrect. While there is some need to be careful, villifying innocent animals creates panic.
I wouldn't have chosen a pit for protection, I would have chosen a rottie or a dobie. But that's me. I was bitten by a LABORADOR RETRIEVER when I was a child, my fathers best friend was killed by his Irish Setter.... I've found in my experience that its nurture over nature for the most part. Don't join the ranks of uneducated, panicky people about pits.... there's always more to the story.

There is no replacement for responsible ownership. Train the puppy, be watchful.... and consider others feeling about this breed.... it'll save you in the end....

i have a chihuahua....i seperate the dog and the babies all day long. the dog, is only allowed in the rest of the house when i am available to keep my eye on her. she's a nipper. she's starts playing rough...back in the kitchen she goes. i won't even go to the bathroom without putting her away. a dog is a dog. regardless of how sweet my chloe is. personally, i think a cat is more dangerous, but better safe than sorry.

 

[Ohiogal]

The law in Michigan:

(5) Each order determining or modifying custody or parenting time of a child shall include a provision stating the parent's agreement as to how a change in either of the child's legal residences will be handled. If such a provision is included in the order and a child's legal residence change is done in compliance with that provision, this section does not apply. If the parents do not agree on such a provision, the court shall include in the order the following provision: "A parent whose custody or parenting time of a child is governed by this order shall not change the legal residence of the child except in compliance with section 11 of the "Child Custody Act of 1970", 1970 PA 91, MCL 722.31.".

OP you broke the law. End of story. Dad has a LEGAL right to know where HIS child lives. HOw dare you believe that you are above the law.

You also haven't explained how you acquired a 5 week old puppy.

 

[AngryMom627]

I've raised pits, dobies, rotties, boxers and german shepherds.... I've trained 'protective dogs', MP dogs, counterfeit dogs, and a couple of drug dogs... and never NEVER have I been more surprised than after reading this statement. The attacks that you read about don't show the whole picture usually. I wouldn't have chosen a pit for protection, I would have chosen a rottie or a dobie. But that's me. I was bitten by a LABORADOR RETRIEVER when I was a child, my fathers best friend was killed by his Irish Setter.... I've found in my experience that its nurture over nature for the most part. Don't join the ranks of uneducated, panicky people about pits.... there's always more to the story.

There is no replacement for responsible ownership. Train the puppy, be watchful.... and consider others feeling about this breed.... it'll save you in the end....

Yes I agree, dobs and rots are good protection as well, My mom had a rot, she got as an adult, I didn't agree with that, it actually bit my brother, she didn't like my sister either, she loved me to death, my sister always feared her tho, me and Sable had a wonderful relationship. I agree it's about nuturing. My pup has chewed up every shoe I have...I was furious....why noone elses...I recently learned it's because I'm closest to her and she's missing me when I'm away from the house. I agree animals have feelings too and people s/b more responsive to them.

 

[AngryMom627]

the law in michigan:


Op you broke the law. End of story. Dad has a legal right to know where his child lives. How dare you believe that you are above the law.

You also haven't explained how you acquired a 5 week old puppy.

yes i guess i do feel i am, i have the right to protect myself at all costs. He broke the law when he attacked me and when he threatened to kill my son last week; i don't have to explain anything to you. Have a nice day!

 

[Ohiogal]

yes i guess i do feel i am, i have the right to protect myself at all costs. He broke the law when he attacked me and when he threatened to kill my son last week; i don't have to explain anything to you. Have a nice day!

Be prepared to explain to the court. He threatened to kill your son last week huh? So what did you do about it then? Did you file a police report THEN? Did you file for a protection order the NEXT DAY? What did you do? When did you move? Last week?

You have no proof of any attacks by him nor any threats quite frankly. You have a lot of excuses. You also have an illegally acquired dog. Be prepared for a judge not to be happy with your excuses. Dad legally has a right to know where HIS child is located. YOU are interfering with that. If you continue dad could possibly win custody.

You say dad lies but quite frankly, your credibility is nonexistent.

 

[AngryMom627]

be prepared to explain to the court. He threatened to kill your son last week huh? So what did you do about it then? Did you file a police report then? Did you file for a protection order the next day? What did you do? When did you move? Last week?

You have no proof of any attacks by him nor any threats quite frankly. You have a lot of excuses. You also have an illegally acquired dog. Be prepared for a judge not to be happy with your excuses. Dad legally has a right to know where his child is located. You are interfering with that. If you continue dad could possibly win custody.

You say dad lies but quite frankly, your credibility is nonexistent.

one good thing has come from this...i do realize, i've already went thru mediation, mediation still grants me sole physical custody; he brought about unfounded accusations it's all listed in the report....i do have proof violence exists where he is concerned, there is a police report and pictures, a past police report for him and my son. I wasn't present last week when he said something to my son; i did advise my son to call the police, he said he was trying to stay clear of him; this guy's sister advised my son to just ignore him and go the other direction if he sees him. You have no clue what u are talking about..u need to get a life! I have sole physical custody of my daughter, mediation agreed i should keep that. God doesn't like ugly so u can holler about the laws until the cows come home! We all knows the laws don't protect any of us (at least not my people), i have given my last to take care of my children....i'm paying for an attorney i can't afford w/o rec child support, i'm sure that was in his plan while he pays for his atty.....it's ultimately in god's hand not a court rooms...none of us are promised tomorrow, so we need to cherish each day and make the best out of it. Take care!

 

[Ohiogal]

one good thing has come from this...i do realize, i've already went thru mediation, mediation still grants me sole physical custody; he brought about unfounded accusations it's all listed in the report....i do have proof violence exists where he is concerned, there is a police report and pictures, a past police report for him and my son. I wasn't present last week when he said something to my son; i did advise my son to call the police, he said he was trying to stay clear of him; this guy's sister advised my son to just ignore him and go the other direction if he sees him. You have no clue what u are talking about..u need to get a life! I have sole physical custody of my daughter, mediation agreed i should keep that. God doesn't like ugly so u can holler about the laws until the cows come home! We all knows the laws don't protect any of us (at least not my people), i have given my last to take care of my children....i'm paying for an attorney i can't afford w/o rec child support, i'm sure that was in his plan while he pays for his atty.....it's ultimately in god's hand not a court rooms...none of us are promised tomorrow, so we need to cherish each day and make the best out of it. Take care!

Good luck with that. I have a very good clue what I am talking about. You do not. But live and learn.

 

[michandil]

Washtenaw is very much a mediation-oriented county. A great deal of deference to mediation recommendations. I think that most mediators and judges there take "best interests of the child" very seriously and do not make simplistic, snap decisions.

I understand your position in regard to your dog. I had an assistant who did pit bull rescue and was an advocate for the breed. Should it become an issue in your case, I would take the recommendations you receive from your atty and the mediator. There was an incident in A2 just a couple of years ago with a pit bull that had a strong influence on public opinion (fair or not). And a year ago, in Livingston just next door, there was a movement to ban the breed. There is a prejudice against this breed, as I'm sure you know. I'd be cautious on this issue.

 

[Ohiogal]

Washtenaw is very much a mediation-oriented county. A great deal of deference to mediation recommendations. However, I also think that mediators and a couple of the judges there take "best interests of the child" very seriously and do not make simplistic, snap decisions.

I understand your position in regard to your dog. I had an assistant who did pit bull rescue and was an advocate for the breed. Should it become an issue in your case, I would take the recommendations you receive from your atty and the mediator. There was an incident in A2 just a couple of years ago with a pit bull that had a strong influence on public opinion (fair or not). And a year ago, in Livingston just next door, there was a movement to ban the breed. There is a prejudice against this breed, as I'm sure you know. I'd be cautious on this issue.

Her dog was illegally acquired if she only has the puppy and it is five weeks old. That says a great deal about her type of pet ownership and ability to be a responsible pet owner. Her lack of law abiding also speaks volumes about her character. As long as she gets what she wants she doesn't care about the law because the law doesn't protect "her people":

We all knows the laws don't protect any of us (at least not my people),

True, the laws don't protect the ignorant and maladjusted criminal type.

 

[michandil]

OP, Yes, I'd agree on what your atty said.

Also, ask him/her about your address change. I think it should be filed properly immediately. If your order failed to state the requirement, that needs to be clarified and remedied. I can't imagine that it is a hanging offense if the court signed an order that failed to include the terms- but even if it is, all you can do is remedy it.

Also, in regard to the dog, I believe that if you are forthright with your attorney and take his/her advice and the mediator's recommendations for how to proceed, (if they tell you to place the dog elsewhere, do so- HVHS is a no-kill shelter and there is a pit-bull rescue group near you), I would expect to receive very fair treatment, not prejudice.

Good luck.

 

[Ohiogal]

OP, Yes, I'd agree on what your atty said.

Also, ask him/her about your address change. I think it should be filed properly immediately. If your order failed to state the requirement, that needs to be clarified and remedied. I can't imagine that it is a hanging offense if the court signed an order that failed to include the terms- but even if it is, all you can do is remedy it.

Also, in regard to the dog, I believe that if you are forthright with your attorney and take his/her advice and the mediator's recommendations for how to proceed, (if they tell you to place the dog elsewhere, do so- HVHS is a no-kill shelter and there is a pit-bull rescue group near you), I would expect to receive very fair treatment, not prejudice.

Good luck.

The court order does NOT have to quote the law. Ignorance of the law is NOT a defense. Hopefully dad's attorney will press the OP's law breaking and make sure the court understands that she does not believe that the law applies to her because she is part of a special group of people -- whoever they may be.