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what more evidence do I need than the fact that they used my medical information in the hiring process and whatever information was in there, obviously influenced their decision since it was reviewed beforehand.

The signed consent form to view my medical records is enough to prove that it played a role in the hiring decision.
 


I found my own answer!!!

This came up from the EEOC's website under discrimination! I was right! Their hiring practice is illegal! (I was asked to fill out a lengthy 80 question questionarre, sign a release for my medical information and was asked specifically about any medical conditions, etc.) This is discrimination according to the EEOC...

Right from EEOC website:

Disability & Medical Exams During Employment Application & Interview Stage

The law places strict limits on employers when it comes to asking job applicants to answer medical questions, take a medical exam, or identify a disability.

For example, an employer may not ask a job applicant to answer medical questions or take a medical exam before extending a job offer. An employer also may not ask job applicants if they have a disability (or about the nature of an obvious disability). An employer may ask job applicants whether they can perform the job and how they would perform the job, with or without a reasonable accommodation.
 
BFOQ information

Bona Fide Occupational Qualification (BFOQ)

The following is provided as guidance and is not intended to have the force of law. For questions regarding this material please contact Erik Aamoth at 651.259.7504.

A BFOQ is a legal exception to an otherwise discriminatory hiring practice that is "reasonably necessary to the normal operation of a particular business." The BFOQ may be requested if "the essence of the business operation would be undermined if the business eliminated its discriminatory policy." Note that allowing a company to hire employees based on their religion, gender, or national origin where those factors are reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise does not permit religion-based, gender-based or national origin-based differences in pay to those holding the same job. With a BFOQ the burden of proof always lies with the employer.

Three principles to keep in mind if an employer is requesting a BFOQ.

1. Essence
* Applies only to qualifications that affect employee's ability to perform job
* Romantic paternalism not allowed (for example denies women jobs that are dirty, dangerous, strenuous, but higher paying).
* Cannot argue BFOQ for customer preference.
* Authenticity (e.g. Male models).
2. All or substantially all persons of class cannot perform essential duties job duties.
3. Third party risk (e.g. Pregnant workers judged individually, not as class).

RACE: The law specifically states that it is unlawful to discriminate on the basis of religion, gender, or national origin, except where any of these factors is "a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise." However, the law says that race can NEVER be a bona fide occupational qualification.

RELIGION: Besides the exemptions given religious organizations and educational organizations directed toward the propagation of a particular religion, religion could be considered a bona fide occupational qualification when membership in a certain religion is reasonably necessary to the performance of a job. For example, a company selling religious articles or books might be allowed to insist on hiring sales people of the particular religion involved. But the company could not refuse to hire a janitor because of his religion, as it would not be "reasonably necessary" to the operation of the business. (Note: This is a hypothetical example only. It would be very unusual for religion to be a BFOQ for any job outside a religious organization.)

GENDER: The gender as a bona fide occupational qualification causes more difficulty than any of the other provisions of this section of the law. Various state laws limiting the jobs women are allowed to do and regulating their wages and hours are now largely invalidated because they were based, in large part, on the traditional separation of "man's work and woman's work." On several occasions, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has said it will take a very narrow view of this exemption. According to its guidelines, the following factors are not considered valid reasons for establishing a BFOQ based on gender:

* Assumptions about employment characteristics of women in general, such as the assumption that women have a higher turnover rate
* Stereotyped opinions about the genders, such as the belief that women are better at assembling intricate equipment but not as good at aggressive selling
* The assumption that a particular group of employers, employees, clients, or customers prefer working only with men or women.

Women applicants and employees must be judged on the basis of their individual abilities. You cannot refuse to hire or promote a woman just because most women or women in general cannot do the job. It's unlawful, for instance, to classify jobs as "light" and "heavy" and to exclude women from the heavy jobs. The employer has to decide whether an applicant or employee, male or female, is individually capable of doing the work.

AGE: The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) prohibits employers from discriminating against workers who are 40 years of age or older. The purpose of the Act is to promote the employment of older workers based on their ability rather than their age, to prohibit arbitrary age discrimination in employment, and to help employers and workers find ways of resolving problems arising from the impact of age on employment. The Act does not protect under-40 employees from age discrimination in the workplace.

According to the ADEA, the following three elements must be met to establish a BFOQ.

1. The age limit is reasonably necessary to the essence of the business.
2. All or substantially all individuals excluded from the job because of age are not able to perform it safely or efficiently.
3. Some of the individuals excluded possess a disqualifying trait or susceptibility that cannot be explained except by the use of an age-based qualification.
4. There is a legal age requirement to perform that type of work. (For example, commercial truck drivers who cross state lines must be at least 21 years old, but the impact on insurance rates does not constitute a BFOQ for raising the age to 25.)
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
I'm kind of doubting that a government-affiliated agency would ask for medical information of prospective hires unless there was an established BFOQ being accounted for. But feel free to contact the EEOC. In a year or 2, you might get a response to a claim.

Do you, in fact, have a disability that has a chance of falling under the ADA? And, have you even been denied the job yet?
 

eerelations

Senior Member
have you ever applied for a job you knew you couldn't do? Who does that? Not too many people I know would, that'd be stupid. I guess everyone's not YOU since no one does that
Hey sweetie, I've been in HR for 20 years, and I and my staff have posted hundreds - maybe thousands! - of job ads. And to each job we've received dozens - and sometimes hundreds! - of responses from applicants who were completely unqualified for the posted jobs. This is happening to me right now as I type! So sweetie, trust me, I know what of I speak.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
Heck, I've even applied for jobs that I didn't quite meet the criteria for, but knew I was capable of doing, on the off chance that the recruiter might be willing to give me a chance. Wasn't surprised when I didn't get an interview though :)
 

pattytx

Senior Member
And conversely, millions of people in this economy (including me) are applying for jobs they're WAY overqualified for, just to get a job.
 
I'm kind of doubting that a government-affiliated agency would ask for medical information of prospective hires unless there was an established BFOQ being accounted for. But feel free to contact the EEOC. In a year or 2, you might get a response to a claim.

Do you, in fact, have a disability that has a chance of falling under the ADA? And, have you even been denied the job yet?

No I do not and I have been offered the job. I just thought their hiring process was too invasive and did not like signing a consent to my medical records over.

I just thought that if I did have a disability and weren't hired, I would think it was because they reviewed my medical information first and if I were in that position, I would file a complaint, but I am not. I just wanted to find out if it was legal to do that and I am very happy that I learned the answer to that.
 
I have contacted eeoc by e-mail, but I am not filing a discrimination complaint. I am hoping they will answer some questions I have regarding the legality of that process since they are probably more familiar with the law than I.

I do feel that my personal health information is my business and would like to know why it was necessary to consent them to see it in the hiring process.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
No I do not and I have been offered the job. I just thought their hiring process was too invasive and did not like signing a consent to my medical records over.

I just thought that if I did have a disability and weren't hired, I would think it was because they reviewed my medical information first and if I were in that position, I would file a complaint, but I am not. I just wanted to find out if it was legal to do that and I am very happy that I learned the answer to that.
If you were offered the job, then there was no discrimination. You have no case :rolleyes:
 

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