Hoping for Supervised Visits after recent outrageous episode by non-custodial parent

[Daniel Cooper]

Im in Wyoming

Long story short. Children complained to mother that non-custody parent was drinking heavily around them. Non-custodial parent has failed to comply with past custody papers that require him to submit to her clean drug and alcohol screenings before each year before visitation. Out of protection for the kids she hired a good lawyer and petitioned for modification of his visitation rights. In the interim, whilst she awaits a trial date she haven't let the father see the kids out of protection of the kids until he at least shows her those screenings required of him. Father denies he has a drinking problem. Trial date still hasn't happened. Father hasn't really asked for visitation. And then his lawyer ordered emergency hearing demanding immediate visitation.

And then...

The father shows up at his own emergency hearing DRUNK and is promptly kicked out of the court house. Kinda crazy thing to do, I know, but he's a bit deranged, very sociopathic person. Anyhow, his lawyer canceled the hearing, for obvious reasons. The judge remarked that "Well, if he shows up drunk for his own hearing then maybe the mother has a point with supervised visits."

My question:
A) How does this sorta thing affect HIS future in this case? Is this sorta thing as radioactive as it looks?

B) Does this sorta thing drastically improve the chances for a modication from his original visitation to having to go through supervised visits if he wants to see his kids? Again, the mother is complaining that this is exactly the sorta thing she has been fighting against since he's dishonestly trying to see the children while NOT addressing his problem or respecting the original custody papers requiring him to keep up with his problems. And he's shown up drunk at one child's daycare and at the other child's school with at least a police report to establish this behavior at one of those locations. The mother is trying to protect her children and this is the only way she feels like they can since he can get drunk anytime, anywhere.

Curious to see how this kind of thing plays out in the theater of civil courts. Is it really as bad as it sounds? Showing up drunk at your own hearing, I mean. etc.

 

[Silverplum]

Im in the midwest.

Not good enough. Name of state is required to receive valid legal info, as each state has its own family laws.

Long story short. Children complained to mother that non-custody parent was drinking heavily around them. Non-custodial parent has failed to comply with past custody papers that require him to submit to be clean drug and alcohol screenings before each year before visitation. Out of protection for the kids she hired a good lawyer and petitioned for modification of his visitation rights. In the interim, whilst we await a trial date and she haven't let the father see the kids out of protection of the kids until he at least shows me those screenings required of him. Father denies he has a drinking problem. Trial date still hasn't happened. Father hasn't really asked for visitation. And then his lawyer ordered emergency hearing demanding immediate visitation.

And then...

The father shows up at his own emergency hearing DRUNK and is promptly kicked out of the court house. Kinda crazy thing to do, I know, but he's a bit deranged, very sociopathic person. Anyhow, his lawyer canceled the hearing, for obvious reasons. The judge remarked that "Well, if he shows up drunk for his own hearing then maybe the mother has a point with supervised visits."

My question:
A) How does this sorta thing affect HIS future in this case? Is this sorta thing as radioactive as it looks?

B) Does this sorta thing drastically improve the chances for a modication to supervised visits? Again, the mother is complaining that this is exactly the sorta thing she has been fighting against since he's dishonestly trying to see the children while NOT addressing his problem or respecting the original custody papers requiring him to keep up with his problems. And he's shown up drunk at one child's daycare and at the other child's school with at least a police report to establish this behavior at one of those locations.

Curious to see how this kind of thing plays out in the theater of civil courts. Is it really as bad as it sounds? Showing up drunk at your own hearing, I mean. etc.

 

[Daniel Cooper]

In Wyoming

 

[ProSeDadinMD]

In Wyoming

I don't think that qualifies as Midwest.

Who are YOU in this situation?

 

[Isis1]

I don't think that qualifies as Midwest.

Who are YOU in this situation?

mommy's "friend"/boyfriend/husband/fiance/ for $2K......

 

[Silverplum]

mommy's "friend"/boyfriend/husband/fiance/ for $2K......

So if you're correct, you win $2K??



Sign me up for this program!

 

[LdiJ]

Im in Wyoming

Long story short. Children complained to mother that non-custody parent was drinking heavily around them. Non-custodial parent has failed to comply with past custody papers that require him to submit to her clean drug and alcohol screenings before each year before visitation. Out of protection for the kids she hired a good lawyer and petitioned for modification of his visitation rights. In the interim, whilst she awaits a trial date she haven't let the father see the kids out of protection of the kids until he at least shows her those screenings required of him. Father denies he has a drinking problem. Trial date still hasn't happened. Father hasn't really asked for visitation. And then his lawyer ordered emergency hearing demanding immediate visitation.

And then...

The father shows up at his own emergency hearing DRUNK and is promptly kicked out of the court house. Kinda crazy thing to do, I know, but he's a bit deranged, very sociopathic person. Anyhow, his lawyer canceled the hearing, for obvious reasons. The judge remarked that "Well, if he shows up drunk for his own hearing then maybe the mother has a point with supervised visits."

My question:

A) How does this sorta thing affect HIS future in this case? Is this sorta thing as radioactive as it looks?

B) Does this sorta thing drastically improve the chances for a modication from his original visitation to having to go through supervised visits if he wants to see his kids? Again, the mother is complaining that this is exactly the sorta thing she has been fighting against since he's dishonestly trying to see the children while NOT addressing his problem or respecting the original custody papers requiring him to keep up with his problems. And he's shown up drunk at one child's daycare and at the other child's school with at least a police report to establish this behavior at one of those locations. The mother is trying to protect her children and this is the only way she feels like they can since he can get drunk anytime, anywhere.

Curious to see how this kind of thing plays out in the theater of civil courts. Is it really as bad as it sounds? Showing up drunk at your own hearing, I mean. etc.

Based on the bolded, yeah its really just about as bad as it sounds. It honestly doesn't matter which US state you are in, or what connection you have to the mother. If a parent takes it to court claiming that you should have supervised visitation because you have a serious drinking problem, and you show up to court drunk, you just handed the parent your case on a silver platter.

 

[Daniel Cooper]

Okay, you got me. I'm the idiot who showed to my emergency hearing a little intoxicated.

But here's the thing...

She denied me visitation AFTER writing me a nasty letter accusing me of drinking WITHOUT proving it in court first. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

She has told schools and daycare about the case so they won't let me see my kids in those public setting if the children don't want to see me. Since when is it THEIR decision?! I'm the dad!!

Just because the original custody papers say that I need to do the alcohol screenings doesn't mean that she hasn't let me see my kids in the past without doing them! Just NOW she pulls this crap.

She unilaterally denied visitation WITHOUT getting a court order first. Yes, I know she says that she will allow visitation WHEN I do those screenings. But doesn't she have to take me to court first? If I don't want to give her the screenings, doesn't she still have to give me my kids until the court says otherwise!

The emergency hearing was my lawyer's request to impose immediate visitation and I all I did was show up for this hearing with a little beer on my breath. Isn't she still in contempt of court for what she is doing? Until the courts say in an direct order that I have to go to supervised visits, she can't keep the kids away from me, right? She can't use the clause in the original custody agreement that says I have to do a alcohol screening before she lets me see my kids, right? Because she'd have to take me to court first and get the judge's permission to deny visitation before she decides this on her own, right? Please be fair here guys.

 

[Artemis_ofthe_Hunt]

Okay, you got me. I'm the idiot who showed to my emergency hearing a little intoxicated.

But here's the thing...

She denied me visitation AFTER writing me a nasty letter accusing me of drinking WITHOUT proving it in court first. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

She has told schools and daycare about the case so they won't let me see my kids in those public setting if the children don't want to see me. Since when is it THEIR decision?! I'm the dad!!

Just because the original custody papers say that I need to do the alcohol screenings doesn't mean that she hasn't let me see my kids in the past without doing them! Just NOW she pulls this crap.

She unilaterally denied visitation WITHOUT getting a court order first. Yes, I know she says that she will allow visitation WHEN I do those screenings. But doesn't she have to take me to court first? If I don't want to give her the screenings, doesn't she still have to give me my kids until the court says otherwise!

The emergency hearing was my lawyer's request to impose immediate visitation and I all I did was show up for this hearing with a little beer on my breath. Isn't she still in contempt of court for what she is doing? Until the courts say in an direct order that I have to go to supervised visits, she can't keep the kids away from me, right? She can't use the clause in the original custody agreement that says I have to do a alcohol screening before she lets me see my kids, right? Because she'd have to take me to court first and get the judge's permission to deny visitation before she decides this on her own, right? Please be fair here guys.

I can't seem to get past this statement. You STILL don't own up to the fact that there is a problem. Grow up and get help. Accept that you've got a serious problem.

 

[Ohiogal]

Okay, you got me. I'm the idiot who showed to my emergency hearing a little intoxicated.

You are an idiot. I don't think ANYONE on here will dispute that.

But here's the thing...

She denied me visitation AFTER writing me a nasty letter accusing me of drinking WITHOUT proving it in court first. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Your proved her innocent by proving your own guilt.

She has told schools and daycare about the case so they won't let me see my kids in those public setting if the children don't want to see me. Since when is it THEIR decision?! I'm the dad!!

You could MAYBE force the schools to grant you access. Depends on what the court has ruled regarding supervised visitation.

Just because the original custody papers say that I need to do the alcohol screenings doesn't mean that she hasn't let me see my kids in the past without doing them! Just NOW she pulls this crap.

You showed up DRUNK to a hearing. She was an idiot then by letting you see the children. Guess what -- you now get to pee in a cup to see your children. Congrats.

She unilaterally denied visitation WITHOUT getting a court order first. Yes, I know she says that she will allow visitation WHEN I do those screenings. But doesn't she have to take me to court first? If I don't want to give her the screenings, doesn't she still have to give me my kids until the court says otherwise!

Depends on what the orders state WORD FOR WORD and if the COURT finds her in contempt. Apparently the court did NOT find her in contempt.

The emergency hearing was my lawyer's request to impose immediate visitation and I all I did was show up for this hearing with a little beer on my breath. Isn't she still in contempt of court for what she is doing?

A little beer on your breath? You were IN COURT. No ALCOHOL is what is required. Most likely you had more than a LITTLE beer. And the court did NOT find her in contempt, now did they?

Until the courts say in an direct order that I have to go to supervised visits, she can't keep the kids away from me, right? She can't use the clause in the original custody agreement that says I have to do a alcohol screening before she lets me see my kids, right? Because she'd have to take me to court first and get the judge's permission to deny visitation before she decides this on her own, right? Please be fair here guys.

What is the EXACT wording of the clause requiring you do an alcohol screening. If you are not doing a screening she might not have to allow you access. Apparently OP you have a severe alcohol problem. You are most likely an alcoholic and refuse to admit it. If you want to see your children, you need to clean up. If you want to be a PARENT in more than name only, dry out and sober up. Going to court drunk is most likely the TIP of the iceberg with you. You are going to sink fast.

 

[Isis1]

aw...so i don't get my 2k.

 

[Proserpina]

Okay, you got me. I'm the idiot who showed to my emergency hearing a little intoxicated.

But here's the thing...

She denied me visitation AFTER writing me a nasty letter accusing me of drinking WITHOUT proving it in court first. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

She has told schools and daycare about the case so they won't let me see my kids in those public setting if the children don't want to see me. Since when is it THEIR decision?! I'm the dad!!

Just because the original custody papers say that I need to do the alcohol screenings doesn't mean that she hasn't let me see my kids in the past without doing them! Just NOW she pulls this crap.

She unilaterally denied visitation WITHOUT getting a court order first. Yes, I know she says that she will allow visitation WHEN I do those screenings. But doesn't she have to take me to court first? If I don't want to give her the screenings, doesn't she still have to give me my kids until the court says otherwise!

The emergency hearing was my lawyer's request to impose immediate visitation and I all I did was show up for this hearing with a little beer on my breath. Isn't she still in contempt of court for what she is doing? Until the courts say in an direct order that I have to go to supervised visits, she can't keep the kids away from me, right? She can't use the clause in the original custody agreement that says I have to do a alcohol screening before she lets me see my kids, right? Because she'd have to take me to court first and get the judge's permission to deny visitation before she decides this on her own, right? Please be fair here guys.

Are YOU being fair to your children?

 

[Just Blue]

Okay, you got me. I'm the idiot who showed to my emergency hearing a little intoxicated.

But here's the thing...

She denied me visitation AFTER writing me a nasty letter accusing me of drinking WITHOUT proving it in court first. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

She has told schools and daycare about the case so they won't let me see my kids in those public setting if the children don't want to see me. Since when is it THEIR decision?! I'm the dad!!

Just because the original custody papers say that I need to do the alcohol screenings doesn't mean that she hasn't let me see my kids in the past without doing them! Just NOW she pulls this crap.

She unilaterally denied visitation WITHOUT getting a court order first. Yes, I know she says that she will allow visitation WHEN I do those screenings. But doesn't she have to take me to court first? If I don't want to give her the screenings, doesn't she still have to give me my kids until the court says otherwise!

The emergency hearing was my lawyer's request to impose immediate visitation and I all I did was show up for this hearing with a little beer on my breath. Isn't she still in contempt of court for what she is doing? Until the courts say in an direct order that I have to go to supervised visits, she can't keep the kids away from me, right? She can't use the clause in the original custody agreement that says I have to do a alcohol screening before she lets me see my kids, right? Because she'd have to take me to court first and get the judge's permission to deny visitation before she decides this on her own, right? Please be fair here guys.

You have an attorney. Listen to him/her.

 

[Antigone*]

Fair is what is right for your children, and you obviously have other things to worry about.

Stop being a sorry excuse for a parent, stop drinking and most of your problems will go away.

 

[Just Blue]

Do not start another thread. You have one going. Ask ANY QUESTIONS regarding your custody situation on THIS thread.