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JennaBehr

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

I had put a boat up for sale on CL for which I had a lot of interest, and someone came to see it the following day. He looked it over, offered me a 4% cash deposit, and told me it was sold, he'd be back to pick it up with the balance in cash.

When he came back to pick it up, he brought someone with him to inspect the boat - I had no problem with that at all. They looked it over, and it wouldn't start. We lowered the price significantly based on that, and offered to complete the deal.

He refused, but said 'if you get it running, I'll take it at your original asking price. Keep the deposit while we work this out'.

Over the next 3 weeks, we went back and forth trying to find someone to get it running. I found a mechanic and advised the buyer, he said 'great, just let me know we're moving forward, I want to make this happen' (I have his wish to complete the transaction in email form as well). The mechanic came out and looked at it, told me what it needed, and agreed to do the work within a week.

I contacted the buyer and left him a message, told him the mechanic was picking it up in 2 days to complete the repairs.

AFTER the mechanic had picked up the boat and started the repairs, the buyer gets back to me and says 'yeah, I'm going to pass on this'.

I'm in a state of shock. I had a lot of interest in it, and likely could have sold it as-is with no problem. There's nothing seriously wrong with the boat, but it had been sitting for a bit and needed to be lubricated and it needed a new solonoid. It runs just fine now.

I told the buyer I was keeping his deposit. Now, I hadn't asked for a deposit, and no agreement was made as to whether or not it was refundable, but in my mind, I have a valid contract for this sale, which he backed out of. The deposit amount is nominal, but for me, it's a principle thing. I spent 5X the amount of the deposit on repairs, taking him at his word that our contract was going to be completed.

He did say he'd discussed it with his attorney and they felt I was being unreasonable, I asked him to have his attorney contact me.

Do I have a leg to stand on? In my mind, I could take him to court and force him to perform on the contract, since I upheld my end of it but he chose to break it and walk away.
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Oh brother! Give the guy back his $200


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

I had put a boat up for sale on CL for which I had a lot of interest, and someone came to see it the following day. He looked it over, offered me a 4% cash deposit, and told me it was sold, he'd be back to pick it up with the balance in cash.

When he came back to pick it up, he brought someone with him to inspect the boat - I had no problem with that at all. They looked it over, and it wouldn't start. We lowered the price significantly based on that, and offered to complete the deal.

He refused, but said 'if you get it running, I'll take it at your original asking price. Keep the deposit while we work this out'.

Over the next 3 weeks, we went back and forth trying to find someone to get it running. I found a mechanic and advised the buyer, he said 'great, just let me know we're moving forward, I want to make this happen' (I have his wish to complete the transaction in email form as well). The mechanic came out and looked at it, told me what it needed, and agreed to do the work within a week.

I contacted the buyer and left him a message, told him the mechanic was picking it up in 2 days to complete the repairs.

AFTER the mechanic had picked up the boat and started the repairs, the buyer gets back to me and says 'yeah, I'm going to pass on this'.

I'm in a state of shock. I had a lot of interest in it, and likely could have sold it as-is with no problem. There's nothing seriously wrong with the boat, but it had been sitting for a bit and needed to be lubricated and it needed a new solonoid. It runs just fine now.

I told the buyer I was keeping his deposit. Now, I hadn't asked for a deposit, and no agreement was made as to whether or not it was refundable, but in my mind, I have a valid contract for this sale, which he backed out of. The deposit amount is nominal, but for me, it's a principle thing. I spent 5X the amount of the deposit on repairs, taking him at his word that our contract was going to be completed.

He did say he'd discussed it with his attorney and they felt I was being unreasonable, I asked him to have his attorney contact me.

Do I have a leg to stand on? In my mind, I could take him to court and force him to perform on the contract, since I upheld my end of it but he chose to break it and walk away.
 

Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? NJ

I had put a boat up for sale on CL for which I had a lot of interest, and someone came to see it the following day. He looked it over, offered me a 4% cash deposit, and told me it was sold, he'd be back to pick it up with the balance in cash.

When he came back to pick it up, he brought someone with him to inspect the boat - I had no problem with that at all. They looked it over, and it wouldn't start. We lowered the price significantly based on that, and offered to complete the deal.

He refused, but said 'if you get it running, I'll take it at your original asking price. Keep the deposit while we work this out'.

Over the next 3 weeks, we went back and forth trying to find someone to get it running. I found a mechanic and advised the buyer, he said 'great, just let me know we're moving forward, I want to make this happen' (I have his wish to complete the transaction in email form as well). The mechanic came out and looked at it, told me what it needed, and agreed to do the work within a week.

I contacted the buyer and left him a message, told him the mechanic was picking it up in 2 days to complete the repairs.

AFTER the mechanic had picked up the boat and started the repairs, the buyer gets back to me and says 'yeah, I'm going to pass on this'.

I'm in a state of shock. I had a lot of interest in it, and likely could have sold it as-is with no problem. There's nothing seriously wrong with the boat, but it had been sitting for a bit and needed to be lubricated and it needed a new solonoid. It runs just fine now.

I told the buyer I was keeping his deposit. Now, I hadn't asked for a deposit, and no agreement was made as to whether or not it was refundable, but in my mind, I have a valid contract for this sale, which he backed out of. The deposit amount is nominal, but for me, it's a principle thing. I spent 5X the amount of the deposit on repairs, taking him at his word that our contract was going to be completed.

He did say he'd discussed it with his attorney and they felt I was being unreasonable, I asked him to have his attorney contact me.

Do I have a leg to stand on? In my mind, I could take him to court and force him to perform on the contract, since I upheld my end of it but he chose to break it and walk away.
I don't think a court would force him to perform, since monetary damages can be easily calculated.

Sell the boat for as much as you can get for it (mitigate your damages) , deduct your losses from his deposit, and refund the difference.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I don't think a court would force him to perform, since monetary damages can be easily calculated.

Sell the boat for as much as you can get for it (mitigate your damages) , deduct your losses from his deposit, and refund the difference.
Too bad the guy agreed to sell a running boat and is now WAY beyond a "reasonable period" to fulfill his end of the bargain...
 

JennaBehr

Junior Member
Wait - you think that 2 1/2 weeks is 'way beyond reasonable' to perform on my end of the contract, when the buyer continued to assure that it was NOT a problem and 72 hours before the repairs were undertaken said that he was fine with it? There was a lot of communication during this time, and the delays were due to weather. Getting a mechanic to look at it outside in the pouring rain wasn't happening.

Honestly, had he said that he was going to back out before I hired someone to complete the repairs, I might see it differently.

When he originally contracted to buy the boat, there was no guarantee it would run - I was extremely up front and clear on that with him throughout the transaction.

(Oh, and I agree there's a monetary fallback from the court, without forcing performance. The point of that was that I have a valid contract, and I'm out significant money based on his agreement to purchase.)
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
(Oh, and I agree there's a monetary fallback from the court, without forcing performance. The point of that was that I have a valid contract, and I'm out significant money based on his agreement to purchase.)
Upon re-reading the thread, I can see your point on the time-frames. But, how much money are you out? You won't know until you sell it. Once you sell it, THEN you'll know what damages (if any) you have (as Steve pointed out). In fact, once the repairs are done, you might even get MORE money for the boat ;)
 

JennaBehr

Junior Member
Upon re-reading the thread, I can see your point on the time-frames. But, how much money are you out? You won't know until you sell it. Once you sell it, THEN you'll know what damages (if any) you have (as Steve pointed out). In fact, once the repairs are done, you might even get MORE money for the boat ;)
Yeah, if we do get more for the boat, I would at that point definitely return the deposit, I don't want to profit on the guy like that - but the way my bank account reads right now, I'm down almost $1200 from where I was last month based on our agreement.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Yeah, if we do get more for the boat, I would at that point definitely return the deposit, I don't want to profit on the guy like that - but the way my bank account reads right now, I'm down almost $1200 from where I was last month based on our agreement.
THAT doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if you are unable to sell the boat for the amount that this buy agreed to. THAT will be your measure of damages.

So, let's say you agreed on $5,000.00. Now he backed out and you're only able to sell it for $4,500.00. Your damages are $500.
 

Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
Yeah, if we do get more for the boat, I would at that point definitely return the deposit, I don't want to profit on the guy like that - but the way my bank account reads right now, I'm down almost $1200 from where I was last month based on our agreement.
We finally have some numbers.

If you spent $1200 on the repair, which was five times the deposit, the deposit was $240.

If $240 represents 4% of the selling price, the selling price was $6000.

I doubt he'll send his attorney after you for $240, but he may sue in small claims court.

The weather's getting better, so you should be able to sell your boat, especially now that it's running.
 

JennaBehr

Junior Member
Too bad you're in NJ - I've been looking for a boat... ;)
It's a great boat - it actually books for $10k, and has less than 50 hours on the engine, all fresh-water running, no salt water. It had been sitting in storage for 8 years, which was why I discounted the price 40% to begin with.

Worth traveling for. ;)

Thanks, guys!

I'll get back to him and let him know that I will discuss refunding *after* I've completed the sale of the boat, and that if I cannot sell for my original asking price, the difference would be deducted from his deposit.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
It's a great boat - it actually books for $10k, and has less than 50 hours on the engine, all fresh-water running, no salt water. It had been sitting in storage for 8 years, which was why I discounted the price 40% to begin with.

Worth traveling for. ;)

Thanks, guys!

I'll get back to him and let him know that I will discuss refunding *after* I've completed the sale of the boat, and that if I cannot sell for my original asking price, the difference would be deducted from his deposit.
And, you would be within your rights to seek any extra damages BEYOND the deposit amount too ;)
 

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