Do I have to pay her Alimony for life and Social Security benefits?

[guitarjeff]

My state is CA. My divorce is almost settled finally after 1 year. Was married for 16 years with 2 kids. Child Support /Alimony has been established and paying monthly support payments. She will not be entitled to my pension, so was wondering how long will I have to pay her Alimony if she never gets re-married, for life? Also I have worked all my life, 48 now, I have put into Social Security and will get the full benefits, Is she entitled to any of my Social Security benefits also?What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

 

[Proserpina]

My state is CA. My divorce is almost settled finally after 1 year. Was married for 16 years with 2 kids. Child Support /Alimony has been established and paying monthly support payments. She will not be entitled to my pension, so was wondering how long will I have to pay her Alimony if she never gets re-married, for life? Also I have worked all my life, 48 now, I have put into Social Security and will get the full benefits, Is she entitled to any of my Social Security benefits also?What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

What does your decree actually say?

 

[mistoffolees]

What does your decree actually say?

That will settle the alimony question.

As for Social Security, she can use his earnings history to collect Social Security - but it won't have any impact on what he receives.

 

[Bali Hai]

That will settle the alimony question.

As for Social Security, she can use his earnings history to collect Social Security - but it won't have any impact on what he receives.

Yep, and who actually pays her those SS benefits?

 

[mistoffolees]

Yep, and who actually pays her those SS benefits?

What's your point?

 

[Bali Hai]

What's your point?

I did reply to your question yesterday, however, I'm not sure if I submitted the reply or perhaps the reply was deleted by someone as has happened many times in the past.

BTW, if you knew the answer to my question, you should have answered it before following with a question to my question. That's just plain good manners.

My reply:

If you don't mind paying SS tax for a portion of someone's benefits who never worked and really earned those benefits, then you shouldn't mind paying a portion of someone's governmental court ordered alimony.

 

[stealth2]

Hai, Bali! We were wondering where you disappeared to!

 

[mistoffolees]

If you don't mind paying SS tax for a portion of someone's benefits who never worked and really earned those benefits, then you shouldn't mind paying a portion of someone's governmental court ordered alimony.

That's really silly - even for you.

Social Security is a government mandated safety net that provides payments under a well-defined set of rules - and it is entirely within the rules for someone to receive benefits based on what his/her ex earned. The government has decided that there's a societal benefit to having this kind of safety net in place.

Alimony is a private debt that is owed by ONE PERSON to another person. There is no societal benefit to my paying someone else's alimony.

However, if you think it's fair for someone to have to pay a third party's alimony, feel free to pay mine for me.

 

[Bali Hai]

That's really silly - even for you.

Social Security is a government mandated safety net that provides payments under a well-defined set of rules - and it is entirely within the rules for someone to receive benefits based on what his/her ex earned. The government has decided that there's a societal benefit to having this kind of safety net in place.

"The government" is you and I.

Alimony is a private debt that is owed by ONE PERSON to another person.

Alimony is not a "debt" and it is not "owed". It's a legislated "safety net" (obligation) to keep deadbeats off the welfare roles when they could be working like everybody else.

There is no societal benefit to my paying someone else's alimony.

Sure there is, the receiving party could avoid work and maintain the lazy lifestyle that they are accustom to.

However, if you think it's fair for someone to have to pay a third party's alimony, feel free to pay mine for me.

I will do that along with every other working person in this country.

 

[stealth2]

I'm that you didn't say hai back, Bali...

 

[Bali Hai]

I'm that you didn't say hai back, Bali...

hai back, Bali. There there now sweety, you need not be any longer.

 

[ecmst12]

I give it a week before this yahoo is banned again.

 

[mistoffolees]

I give it a week before this yahoo is banned again.

I'm hoping he agrees to pay my alimony for me first.

 

[Bali Hai]

I'm hoping he agrees to pay my alimony for me first.

I find it interesting that you refer to the money you provide to someone else as "my alimony". It can only be "your alimony" if you agreed to pay it. In that case, no, I will not pay your alimony because you have agreed that it is your alimony.

A judge who works for the government and orders someone to pay alimony against their will is entirely different.

 

[mistoffolees]

I find it interesting that you refer to the money you provide to someone else as "my alimony". It can only be "your alimony" if you agreed to pay it. In that case, no, I will not pay your alimony because you have agreed that it is your alimony.

A judge who works for the government and orders someone to pay alimony against their will is entirely different.

There's absolutely no legal difference whether it was stipulated alimony or non-stipulated court ordered alimony. It amounts to the same thing. Both are equal in terms of the law, the documentation, and the enforceability.