Am I reading this correctly?

[rocknrollmommy]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

"Travel expenses for visitation" are one of the discretionary items that may be added to statutory formula support "as additional support for the children. [Ca Fam §§ 4061 & 4062(b)] Thus, an obligee parent who experiences increased child-related travel expense because of visitation changes may be entitled to a corresponding increase in child-support add-ons.

Am I reading this correctly by interpreting it as in some cases the cost of travel expenses for visitation can be added on to the child support (whether it be 50/50 split, prorated, or after support)?

According to Ca Fam §§ 4062(b):

The court may order the following as additional child support:
(1) Costs related to the educational or other special needs of the
children.
(2) Travel expenses for visitation.
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Since I do not have a legal degree I just want to see if the way I am reading it is incorrect. According to Stealth2:

And that does NOT apply to you. Seriously - are you THIS stupid?

You are not the obligee parent.

... even though I would be the one receiving the child support...

 

[mistoffolees]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

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Am I reading this correctly by interpreting it as in some cases the cost of travel expenses for visitation can be added on to the child support (whether it be 50/50 split, prorated, or after support)?

According to Ca Fam §§ 4062(b):


Since I do not have a legal degree I just want to see if the way I am reading it is incorrect. According to Stealth2:



... even though I would be the one receiving the child support...

This doesn't apply in your case. In your case, the judge has specifically stated that you'll be responsible for 100% of travel expenses - which is the norm when one parent moves far away from the other.

I really wish you'd have at least one post that addresses something about what's best for your child rather than trying to find 100 ways to cheat your ex out of his relationship with the child.

 

[CSO286]

Gerneally, travel exenses can be on top of support in a manner of speaking... mostly because it is more associated with visitaition rather that nchild suport and most courts try to maintain separation between child support and pareinting time.

Ex. Order sets child support at $500/mth, order also indactes that hte ncp is responsible for the transportation costs which are $400 every two months. Hypothetically, NCP then could be paying $900 every other month between the costs of support and the transportation cost.



But OP, here's the thing, you are the one who is moving. Thus the burden for covering the increase in transportation cost should (both rightly and fairly) fall on you.

 

[rocknrollmommy]

This doesn't apply in your case. In your case, the judge has specifically stated that you'll be responsible for 100% of travel expenses - which is the norm when one parent moves far away from the other.

I really wish you'd have at least one post that addresses something about what's best for your child rather than trying to find 100 ways to cheat your ex out of his relationship with the child.

#1: It was a question. The judge has not specifically stated anything and if you weren't so blinded by trying to read between the lines you might have read that I typed that a few times.

#2: How the hell does my asking about child support offer any information at all that I am trying to "cheat my ex out of his relationship with the child"?

#3: I have stated several times how it is in my child's best interest (the evaluator has even agreed) however you have skimmed past that part several times. My child's safety is my first priority and she is not safe if she is homeless (he father doesn't want to be burdened with sole custody- remember?)- Regardless, this thread is for discussion of child support, not the issues you have with me personally. If you wish to voice such concerns do it elsewhere and allow others who might have actual advice speak.

 

[rocknrollmommy]

Gerneally, travel exenses can be on top of support in a manner of speaking... mostly because it is more associated with visitaition rather that nchild suport and most courts try to maintain separation between child support and pareinting time.

Ex. Order sets child support at $500/mth, order also indactes that hte ncp is responsible for the transportation costs which are $400 every two months. Hypothetically, NCP then could be paying $900 every other month between the costs of support and the transportation cost.



But OP, here's the thing, you are the one who is moving. Thus the burden for covering the increase in transportation cost should (both rightly and fairly) fall on you.

So what I interpreted was correct. Whether or not it pertains to my particular case is beside the point, I just wanted to make sure I understood that correctly.

The bottom part was simply pointing out that stealth2 started I am not the obligee parent when I quite am.

 

[LdiJ]

So what I interpreted was correct. Whether or not it pertains to my particular case is beside the point, I just wanted to make sure I understood that correctly.

The bottom part was simply pointing out that stealth2 started I am not the obligee parent when I quite am.

I am not sure that you interpreted it correctly. I am not sure that I am interpreting in correctly either. I am not clear on the definition of "child support add ons" for California. Maybe courtclerk will see this and weigh in on it.

However, I am thinking that it really means that the payer of child support can get a reduction in child support if the receiver of child support moves the children away causing an increase in costs.

In any case, it does not apply to you because the judge made specific orders in your case as to how the transportation would be handled.

 

[mistoffolees]

#1: It was a question. The judge has not specifically stated anything and if you weren't so blinded by trying to read between the lines you might have read that I typed that a few times.

#2: How the hell does my asking about child support offer any information at all that I am trying to "cheat my ex out of his relationship with the child"?

#3: I have stated several times how it is in my child's best interest (the evaluator has even agreed) however you have skimmed past that part several times. My child's safety is my first priority and she is not safe if she is homeless (he father doesn't want to be burdened with sole custody- remember?)- Regardless, this thread is for discussion of child support, not the issues you have with me personally. If you wish to voice such concerns do it elsewhere and allow others who might have actual advice speak.

1. That's right - you don't have a court order. If your ex challenges it, you may not be able to take the child out of CA at all. Or you may end up giving up a LOT MORE than 6 weeks of visitation.

So, assuming that the judge does what the evaluator suggested, you will have a court order to pay. Happy?

2. You're moving out of state and your ex will have a substantially reduced level of contact with the child. However, your ex may be OK with it because the recommendation is for you to pay all of the expenses. NOW, you're playing "I'll keep the stuff that I want, but I'll try to challenge the rest" games. Clearly, trying to dump half of the travel costs on him - even though the proposed settlement involves you paying 100% - is an intrusion on his rights.

3. I gave you 'actual advice'. The section you are reading does not apply. If the judge issues an order with the recommendation provided, you will have to pay.

My point - which you so blithely continue to ignore - is that parenting is SUPPOSED TO BE about the child, not the selfish wishes of the parents. You don't have any idea (or simply don't care) what moving away is going to do to your child. Nor do you wish to take on the responsibility that your own proposed settlement says you should take on. It's all about you and how you can make your ex pay and how you can move somewhere where YOUR family lives (regardless of what it does to the child's family).

And the crap about homelessness is BS. You turned down a $50 K job. Pretending that you couldn't possibly get another job in CA is horsexx. Not to mention that even if you couldn't get another job, CA is probably one of the best states in the country for offering social services to single parents.

 

[rocknrollmommy]

1. That's right - you don't have a court order. If your ex challenges it, you may not be able to take the child out of CA at all. Or you may end up giving up a LOT MORE than 6 weeks of visitation.

So, assuming that the judge does what the evaluator suggested, you will have a court order to pay. Happy?

2. You're moving out of state and your ex will have a substantially reduced level of contact with the child. However, your ex may be OK with it because the recommendation is for you to pay all of the expenses. NOW, you're playing "I'll keep the stuff that I want, but I'll try to challenge the rest" games. Clearly, trying to dump half of the travel costs on him - even though the proposed settlement involves you paying 100% - is an intrusion on his rights.

3. I gave you 'actual advice'. The section you are reading does not apply. If the judge issues an order with the recommendation provided, you will have to pay.

My point - which you so blithely continue to ignore - is that parenting is SUPPOSED TO BE about the child, not the selfish wishes of the parents. You don't have any idea (or simply don't care) what moving away is going to do to your child. Nor do you wish to take on the responsibility that your own proposed settlement says you should take on. It's all about you and how you can make your ex pay and how you can move somewhere where YOUR family lives (regardless of what it does to the child's family).

And the crap about homelessness is BS. You turned down a $50 K job. Pretending that you couldn't possibly get another job in CA is horsexx. Not to mention that even if you couldn't get another job, CA is probably one of the best states in the country for offering social services to single parents.

Just a few noted about your information/opinion before breakfast-

Not thinking about my daughter's family? I AM MY DAUGHTER's FAMILY. I have been the ONLY one who took care of my daughter. ME. I don't know how many times I can say that before it sinks into your thick skull and floats around in the crevice where your brain is supposed to be. So how will this affect his relationship with his daughter? Since he went 12 months without touching her or acknowledgment that she existed, I don't believe it will affect hom a whole lot. As for her? I will continue encouraging her relationship with him just as I've done since birth.

As far as the job is concerned- I've already stated (which you seem to easily forget) that that job was basically a once in a lifetime deal for me. It fell into my lap. It took me 6 months of interviewing. They only hold interviews once a year for maybe 2 of the same positions and that's IF they have someone retiring. I'd LOVE to see you go out and get that caliber of a job without even having a college diploma. So yes, being able to live in SILICON VALLEY, where prices are so inflated, I would be homeless. At any point the ex could have tried to take full custody but again- he dies not want the responsibility of being a parent. Period.

I'm not even going to go into the issues behind CA giving away support so easily. Let's just say that I was born a US Citizen and so wad my daughter yet it seems we don't have a "household of 6" to support so we are not a high priority. TRUST ME I am on the waiting list for almost everything you can imagine.

I know more than anyone here what this will do to my daughter. I grew up without a father. I had to deal with a lot more crap dealt my way by the time I was 6 than you've probably dealt with in your entire life. So before you go around telling people they don't know what this will do to their children- think again jackass. Go crawl back up under whatever rock you crawled out from under and save us all from having to share our air with you.

 

[Silverplum]

Oh, do let us fall over each other in our race to help this one.

Just a few noted about your information/opinion before breakfast-

Not thinking about my daughter's family? I AM MY DAUGHTER's FAMILY. I have been the ONLY one who took care of my daughter. ME. I don't know how many times I can say that before it sinks into your thick skull and floats around in the crevice where your brain is supposed to be. So how will this affect his relationship with his daughter? Since he went 12 months without touching her or acknowledgment that she existed, I don't believe it will affect hom a whole lot. As for her? I will continue encouraging her relationship with him just as I've done since birth.

As far as the job is concerned- I've already stated (which you seem to easily forget) that that job was basically a once in a lifetime deal for me. It fell into my lap. It took me 6 months of interviewing. They only hold interviews once a year for maybe 2 of the same positions and that's IF they have someone retiring. I'd LOVE to see you go out and get that caliber of a job without even having a college diploma. So yes, being able to live in SILICON VALLEY, where prices are so inflated, I would be homeless. At any point the ex could have tried to take full custody but again- he dies not want the responsibility of being a parent. Period.

I'm not even going to go into the issues behind CA giving away support so easily. Let's just say that I was born a US Citizen and so wad my daughter yet it seems we don't have a "household of 6" to support so we are not a high priority. TRUST ME I am on the waiting list for almost everything you can imagine.

I know more than anyone here what this will do to my daughter. I grew up without a father. I had to deal with a lot more crap dealt my way by the time I was 6 than you've probably dealt with in your entire life. So before you go around telling people they don't know what this will do to their children- think again jackass. Go crawl back up under whatever rock you crawled out from under and save us all from having to share our air with you.

 

[CSO286]

Just a few noted about your information/opinion before breakfast-

Not thinking about my daughter's family? I AM MY DAUGHTER's FAMILY. I have been the ONLY one who took care of my daughter. ME. I don't know how many times I can say that before it sinks into your thick skull and floats around in the crevice where your brain is supposed to be. So how will this affect his relationship with his daughter? Since he went 12 months without touching her or acknowledgment that she existed, I don't believe it will affect hom a whole lot. As for her? I will continue encouraging her relationship with him just as I've done since birth.

As far as the job is concerned- I've already stated (which you seem to easily forget) that that job was basically a once in a lifetime deal for me. It fell into my lap. It took me 6 months of interviewing. They only hold interviews once a year for maybe 2 of the same positions and that's IF they have someone retiring. I'd LOVE to see you go out and get that caliber of a job without even having a college diploma. So yes, being able to live in SILICON VALLEY, where prices are so inflated, I would be homeless. At any point the ex could have tried to take full custody but again- he dies not want the responsibility of being a parent. Period.

I'm not even going to go into the issues behind CA giving away support so easily. Let's just say that I was born a US Citizen and so wad my daughter yet it seems we don't have a "household of 6" to support so we are not a high priority. TRUST ME I am on the waiting list for almost everything you can imagine.

I know more than anyone here what this will do to my daughter. I grew up without a father. I had to deal with a lot more crap dealt my way by the time I was 6 than you've probably dealt with in your entire life. So before you go around telling people they don't know what this will do to their children- think again jackass. Go crawl back up under whatever rock you crawled out from under and save us all from having to share our air with you.

Well, I'm done.

 

[mistoffolees]

Well, I'm at least going to try one more time. Maybe SOMETHING will sink in.

Not thinking about my daughter's family? I AM MY DAUGHTER's FAMILY.

Cool. So yours is the second immaculate conception in history? The child doesn't have a father?

I have been the ONLY one who took care of my daughter. ME. I don't know how many times I can say that before it sinks into your thick skull and floats around in the crevice where your brain is supposed to be. So how will this affect his relationship with his daughter? Since he went 12 months without touching her or acknowledgment that she existed, I don't believe it will affect hom a whole lot. As for her? I will continue encouraging her relationship with him just as I've done since birth.

Yep. Yanking her 2,000 miles away is really encouraging her relationship.

As far as the job is concerned- I've already stated (which you seem to easily forget) that that job was basically a once in a lifetime deal for me. It fell into my lap. It took me 6 months of interviewing. They only hold interviews once a year for maybe 2 of the same positions and that's IF they have someone retiring. I'd LOVE to see you go out and get that caliber of a job without even having a college diploma. So yes, being able to live in SILICON VALLEY, where prices are so inflated, I would be homeless. At any point the ex could have tried to take full custody but again- he dies not want the responsibility of being a parent. Period.

Once again. You're telling me that NO ONE can live in Silicon Valley on a $50 K job (plus whatever you're getting in CS)? So 5,000 school teachers are homeless? 100,000 grocery clerks are homeless? NO ONE can live on a fireman's salary in Silicon Valley? So what do they do when there's a fire and no one works for the fire department?

I'm not even going to go into the issues behind CA giving away support so easily. Let's just say that I was born a US Citizen and so wad my daughter yet it seems we don't have a "household of 6" to support so we are not a high priority. TRUST ME I am on the waiting list for almost everything you can imagine.

Uh huh. No one gets state aid in CA with less than 6 family members.

I know more than anyone here what this will do to my daughter. I grew up without a father. I had to deal with a lot more crap dealt my way by the time I was 6 than you've probably dealt with in your entire life. So before you go around telling people they don't know what this will do to their children- think again jackass. Go crawl back up under whatever rock you crawled out from under and save us all from having to share our air with you.

You'd think that if you grew up without a father, you'd be a little more understanding of keeping the father in a child's life. Even if you MUST leave the state for some reason (let's even give you that argument and PRETEND it's valid), what's with the repeated threads of trying to figure out how you can get out of paying the transportation that you, as the leaving party, are obligated to pay? You'd think that if you're so eager to keep the father in the child's life that you'd be happy to bring them together. But, no, you want to eliminate any payment for your actions.