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adminHASd6

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? IL

Here's what happened a year ago, I would appreciate some knowledge on if anyone involved broke any US federal or state laws. Thank you for taking the time to help me, and please ignore any of the spelling/grammar mistakes.

Alright, this is what happened.

The day was a Wednesday. I went to a school, a "homeschool collective". Now I can't go into exact detail of this school, but rest assured, I hated it. Every Wednsday we had a "Farm Day", where the entire school (ages ranging from 7 to 14, and I was 14 at the time) went to a Sufi Farm. Now at first, these days were fun times to help out a bit and play at the farm. However, they soon degraded into the kids going out to the farm for the day, and spending the entire time planting, weeding or cleaning out chicken coops (where we breathed in so much powdered chicken **** that most kids coughed for hours afterwards). This, naturally, put me in a bad mood sometimes. Now this day that I am now reporting is one of those days that I was in a bad mood. We now were sitting down to lunch, and it was nearly time to eat. Now another kid (around 8 yrs old or so), had a bit of fresh chicken skin stuck to his shirt from killing a chicken previously that day. Quite disgusting, but it was so. And the other kid named "Ben" (14 years old), picked it off the shirt, held it over my lunch (chicken pot pie?), and crumbled it over it a bit. Only a few flakes fell on it, but it pissed me off to have my lunch ruined by him. However, I did not react as I wanted to, and simply lightly lay it on his soup. He (always the devious troublemaker in they school), quickly removed it, went to an adult, and she took it, and (believe it or not) shoved it with one finger, HARD, into my soup. This was the snapping point, as the entire day's pressures and annoyances mounted, and released. I have always been quick to anger, taking after my father. Now, I took the bowl of soup, got up and hurled it away into the grassy field (we ate outside at uncovered picnic tables). I then ran down the farm's hill to the cars.

I took shelter in my father's car, calmed down a bit, and waited and thought of what to do. I was still mad, tired and overwhelmed. All I wanted was to eat my soup, finish up the day, and go home. Instead, my soup had a freshly dead chicken's skin put in it twice. I then noticed that "Murshid" (the spiritual "teacher" for the Sufi (Muslim) group) was walking towards my father's car (the one I was in). I calmed down as best as I could, and prepared for a possible argument. What I got was FAR more than I bargained for. He threw open the car door, and started yelling at me, while threatening to slap me across the face. He then slapped my across the face (knocking my $300 glasses off my face, and knocking them to the gravel road), and dragged me outside. The entire time, he was screaming at me, SCREAMING (and I mean screaming). I stayed polite and honest at first, but after he slapped me a few times, I got pissed and started getting less polite. At first I tried to resolve it, and then tried asking him to stop attacking me. This didn't work, and when he grabbed my by my collar and threw me out of the car (I nearly trampled my $300 glasses in the process), and banged me against the (my father's) car door hard enough to cause pain in my neck for over a week after, and leave a permanent dent in the door. After I started getting hostile (and who could blame me after this), he threw me to the sloped (grassy) ground near the car (we were in the gravel parking lot). Then, he sat on me, while attempting to stuff my hat forcibly into my mouth. At this point I'm swearing at him (again, who could blame me for this, I just got thrown to the ground and slapped), and he's yelling at me. He wants me to swear to never break any rules again/never be rude again (etc, etc… I can't remember perfectly), and I'm in shock. So, we sat there. For two (2) hours. I yelled at him, cursed, asked nicely, lied and more. Nothing worked, and he threatened to put me into a insane asylum (which has deterred me from telling anyone this story until recently). Now I was tall (over 5 ft. 5 in.), but he had a (very strong rock climber and worker) farm hand come try to restrain me. Oh, and there's someone spraying pesticides about 100 ft away (I still have NO idea what they could have told him to make him ignore a 14 year old kid being sat upon by a 54 yeah old man). Did I mention that I have a rather strong reaction to many foreign contaminants? Well, the pesticides and the heat (and no water), ended up with me having a MAJOR migraine. That sure didn't help either. My parents showed up, but they were so dedicated to this man, this "spiritual leader", that they just sat in watched (my father, my mother was send away by this "leader"). Well, long story short, I got released after a LOT of lying and crap, but I was spend. From that day onwards, I've hated him, and been scarred by this encounter.

Did he (the leader or anyone involved) break ANY US Federal or State (we live in IL) laws?

Thank you for taking a few minutes of time to answer me.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 


Antigone*

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? IL

Here's what happened a year ago, I would appreciate some knowledge on if anyone involved broke any US federal or state laws. Thank you for taking the time to help me, and please ignore any of the spelling/grammar mistakes.

Alright, this is what happened.

The day was a Wednesday. I went to a school, a "homeschool collective". Now I can't go into exact detail of this school, but rest assured, I hated it. Every Wednsday we had a "Farm Day", where the entire school (ages ranging from 7 to 14, and I was 14 at the time) went to a Sufi Farm. Now at first, these days were fun times to help out a bit and play at the farm. However, they soon degraded into the kids going out to the farm for the day, and spending the entire time planting, weeding or cleaning out chicken coops (where we breathed in so much powdered chicken **** that most kids coughed for hours afterwards). This, naturally, put me in a bad mood sometimes. Now this day that I am now reporting is one of those days that I was in a bad mood. We now were sitting down to lunch, and it was nearly time to eat. Now another kid (around 8 yrs old or so), had a bit of fresh chicken skin stuck to his shirt from killing a chicken previously that day. Quite disgusting, but it was so. And the other kid named "Ben" (14 years old), picked it off the shirt, held it over my lunch (chicken pot pie?), and crumbled it over it a bit. Only a few flakes fell on it, but it pissed me off to have my lunch ruined by him. However, I did not react as I wanted to, and simply lightly lay it on his soup. He (always the devious troublemaker in they school), quickly removed it, went to an adult, and she took it, and (believe it or not) shoved it with one finger, HARD, into my soup. This was the snapping point, as the entire day's pressures and annoyances mounted, and released. I have always been quick to anger, taking after my father. Now, I took the bowl of soup, got up and hurled it away into the grassy field (we ate outside at uncovered picnic tables). I then ran down the farm's hill to the cars.

I took shelter in my father's car, calmed down a bit, and waited and thought of what to do. I was still mad, tired and overwhelmed. All I wanted was to eat my soup, finish up the day, and go home. Instead, my soup had a freshly dead chicken's skin put in it twice. I then noticed that "Murshid" (the spiritual "teacher" for the Sufi (Muslim) group) was walking towards my father's car (the one I was in). I calmed down as best as I could, and prepared for a possible argument. What I got was FAR more than I bargained for. He threw open the car door, and started yelling at me, while threatening to slap me across the face. He then slapped my across the face (knocking my $300 glasses off my face, and knocking them to the gravel road), and dragged me outside. The entire time, he was screaming at me, SCREAMING (and I mean screaming). I stayed polite and honest at first, but after he slapped me a few times, I got pissed and started getting less polite. At first I tried to resolve it, and then tried asking him to stop attacking me. This didn't work, and when he grabbed my by my collar and threw me out of the car (I nearly trampled my $300 glasses in the process), and banged me against the (my father's) car door hard enough to cause pain in my neck for over a week after, and leave a permanent dent in the door. After I started getting hostile (and who could blame me after this), he threw me to the sloped (grassy) ground near the car (we were in the gravel parking lot). Then, he sat on me, while attempting to stuff my hat forcibly into my mouth. At this point I'm swearing at him (again, who could blame me for this, I just got thrown to the ground and slapped), and he's yelling at me. He wants me to swear to never break any rules again/never be rude again (etc, etc… I can't remember perfectly), and I'm in shock. So, we sat there. For two (2) hours. I yelled at him, cursed, asked nicely, lied and more. Nothing worked, and he threatened to put me into a insane asylum (which has deterred me from telling anyone this story until recently). Now I was tall (over 5 ft. 5 in.), but he had a (very strong rock climber and worker) farm hand come try to restrain me. Oh, and there's someone spraying pesticides about 100 ft away (I still have NO idea what they could have told him to make him ignore a 14 year old kid being sat upon by a 54 yeah old man). Did I mention that I have a rather strong reaction to many foreign contaminants? Well, the pesticides and the heat (and no water), ended up with me having a MAJOR migraine. That sure didn't help either. My parents showed up, but they were so dedicated to this man, this "spiritual leader", that they just sat in watched (my father, my mother was send away by this "leader"). Well, long story short, I got released after a LOT of lying and crap, but I was spend. From that day onwards, I've hated him, and been scarred by this encounter.

Did he (the leader or anyone involved) break ANY US Federal or State (we live in IL) laws?

Thank you for taking a few minutes of time to answer me.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
What proof do you have that any of this happened?
 

adminHASd6

Junior Member
What proof do you have that any of this happened?
What kind of proof do you need? All I want is some knowledge on if this broke any laws. It is not exactly something easy to prove-- you'd need to talk to a witness (which would not happen, as none of them would be willing to talk).

I'm sorry if this seems hard to believe, trust me, being there I had trouble believing it too. If there's any proof I can give, then by all means tell me what to do. My main concern is finding out if anyone broke any State/Federal law. If you don't feel like you can believe it, then take it as a hypothetical situation.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
We don't do hypotheticals. And without proof, you've got nothing.

ETA - and what happened when you told your parents about this?

BTW - were you having soup? Or chicken pot pie. You kind of mixed up your story there.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
We don't do hypotheticals. And without proof, you've got nothing.

ETA - and what happened when you told your parents about this?

BTW - were you having soup? Or chicken pot pie. You kind of mixed up your story there.


I swear I just responded to this...did OP delete my post?!
 

justalayman

Senior Member
, held it over my lunch (chicken pot pie?), and crumbled it over it a bit. Only a few flakes fell on it, but it pissed me off to have my lunch ruined by him. However, I did not react as I wanted to, and simply lightly lay it on his soup. He (always the devious troublemaker in they school), quickly removed it, went to an adult, and she took it, and (believe it or not) shoved it with one finger, HARD, into my soup
so, why is it he held it over your chicken pot pie and then you put it into his soup but when the adult came back, you had soup?

Did you steal the other kids soup?

I took shelter in my father's car, calmed down a bit, and waited and thought of what to do
So, your father was apparently at the farm with you. Why did you not seek the aid of your father?

(knocking my $300 glasses off my face, and knocking them to the gravel road)
at 14 you were aware of how much your glasses cost? Unusual to say the least.

Did he (the leader or anyone involved) break ANY US Federal or State (we live in IL) laws?
yes
 

adminHASd6

Junior Member
I swear I just responded to this...did OP delete my post?!
I can delete posts? Nope, I havent touched anyone's posts here...

And to the previous poster, it was chicken pie, but usually we ate soup so I just said soup for part of it.
Also, if you don't want to do this, fine, all I wanted was some knowledge of if this man broke any laws. As I stated in the OP, my parents agree with this man more than you'd imagine, and they feel like they had no need to interfere.

Edit: @ the post above this one:
My father had left leaving the car for the school to use. Town was a 30 min drive away.
Also, I have no idea that knowing how much my glasses cost is unusual at 14... I've never thought that that would be unusual...

Edit again: if he did break laws, then what would they be? I can't really press charges or anything(I don't want to destroy my family), but I DO want to know exactly what he did wrong.
 
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ENASNI

Senior Member
Ugh

Methinks this stinks of law-school question... You have taken away our options of saying report this to your teacher "Murshid"... or your parents because they are aware:

My parents showed up, but they were so dedicated to this man, this "spiritual leader", that they just sat in watched
Then you mention pesticides? Oy ( sorry if you are sufi?)

And you offer no witnesses or any other recourse?? If you are the kid from the movie "Holes" keep digging... if you are not... my sympathies.

Not buying it. You guys keep trooping I admire that. but done and done.

BUT you are a very good story teller, and articulate... for a 14 year old you could take on a 20 year old that posted earlier.
 

adminHASd6

Junior Member
Methinks this stinks of law-school question... You have taken away our options of saying report this to your teacher "Murshid"... or your parents because they are aware:



Then you mention pesticides? Oy ( sorry if you are sufi?)

And you offer no witnesses or any other recourse?? If you are the kid from the movie "Holes" keep digging... if you are not... my sympathies.

Not buying it. You guys keep trooping I admire that. but done and done.

BUT you are a very good story teller, and articulate... for a 14 year old you could take on a 20 year old that posted earlier.
I swear that this is true, crazy as it sounds. My parents feel that I deserved this, and I decided to see if he broke any laws. The whole experience sucked, and if you want to doubt me, then I don't quite know what to give you. Witnesses? There were plenty, just nobody who is interested in talking about it. However, here's a partial list: The "teacher", my parents, the teacher's wife, the pest-killer guy (no clue as to who we has), the entire class of the school saw me, the teachers (4 of them). Need I go on?

I do understand if you don't believe this, and I hope that someone can answer me.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
if your parents refuse to do anything about it, report it to your local child protective services office.

we will not post site law in this instance as you are claiming to be a child. who needs the protection of an organization if in fact this is a true story.
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
if your parents refuse to do anything about it, report it to your local child protective services office.
That's really the only option - although I don't see how any laws were broken (unless the school does not meet state standards for a home school and/or doesn't follow the state-mandated curriculum.

Parents have nearly complete religious freedom in this country. There is very wide latitude as to what they can do to follow their religion. Making the kids work on Wednesdays (again, assuming that the school meets state standards) is perfectly legal. Putting their fingers in your food is also legal.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Certainly no Federal laws were broken. I'm not sure about state laws - I'm thinking in terms of assault.

But a year after the fact it's not likely that anything is going to happen now.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
Edit again: if he did break laws, then what would they be? I can't really press charges or anything(I don't want to destroy my family), but I DO want to know exactly what he did wrong.
there was at least one law broken and possibly several. Since it was a year ago there is nothing you can do. As well, you state you do not want to damage your family. As such, you need to move on with life.

so, given the time and lack of desire or intent to do anything about this, what law(s) were broken is really irrelevant.
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
there was at least one law broken and possibly several. Since it was a year ago there is nothing you can do. As well, you state you do not want to damage your family. As such, you need to move on with life.

so, given the time and lack of desire or intent to do anything about this, what law(s) were broken is really irrelevant.
I'm curious what laws were broken... the parents put this kid in charge of the school so the teacher is acting in loco parentis. So what laws were broken?
 

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