Im lost and i dont know what to do

[LdiJ]

There is one thing that concerns me. When you went to AZ did you leave a home behind with the majority of your belongings and furniture etc.? Or did you pack up everything you owned when you went on this visit?

 

[Proserpina]

There is one thing that concerns me. When you went to AZ did you leave a home behind with the majority of your belongings and furniture etc.? Or did you pack up everything you owned when you went on this visit?

Did you read the other thread?

 

[mistoffolees]

There is one thing that concerns me. When you went to AZ did you leave a home behind with the majority of your belongings and furniture etc.? Or did you pack up everything you owned when you went on this visit?

First, OP said:
"About 2.5 months ago we went down to arizona to visit some friends, At least i thought that was the case. We get down there, and stay for a week or so, and the car was broken into. My Identification was stolen and i ended up having to go back to Washington to get a new ID card and a soacial. THe kids and her stayed in AZ to continue the visit. Upon getting back to Washington i learned that she left our friends house to move in with someone she met online, and would be living there permanently."

Sounds like they were not planning to relocate to AZ.

More importantly, I'm not sure why it matters whether they were simply visiting AZ or they intended to move to AZ and then OP changed his mind after a week. Either way, WA has jurisdiction and OP needs to file in WA - soon.

I guess it's just remotely possible that if they had planned to relocate to AZ, the court could use that in a 'best interests of the child' decision, but I don't see it as significant even then.

 

[Proserpina]

First, OP said:
"About 2.5 months ago we went down to arizona to visit some friends, At least i thought that was the case. We get down there, and stay for a week or so, and the car was broken into. My Identification was stolen and i ended up having to go back to Washington to get a new ID card and a soacial. THe kids and her stayed in AZ to continue the visit. Upon getting back to Washington i learned that she left our friends house to move in with someone she met online, and would be living there permanently."

Sounds like they were not planning to relocate to AZ.

More importantly, I'm not sure why it matters whether they were simply visiting AZ or they intended to move to AZ and then OP changed his mind after a week. Either way, WA has jurisdiction and OP needs to file in WA - soon.

I guess it's just remotely possible that if they had planned to relocate to AZ, the court could use that in a 'best interests of the child' decision, but I don't see it as significant even then.

I've got no idea where LdiJ is going with this to be honest.

And I'm talking specifically about WA here.

 

[LdiJ]

I've got no idea where LdiJ is going with this to be honest.

And I'm talking specifically about WA here.

My concern was that if they were somewhat transient in their living, and that all of their belongings went with them to AZ, that it would appear to be a move to AZ and therefore make it a tad more difficult for dad to force the children back to WA. I agree that WA would still have jurisdiction, that isn't the issue.

With the economy such as it is, there are a lot more somewhat transient families than there have been in the past. I also thought it a bit odd that dad needed to cut his portion of the vacation short to go back to WA to get his ID replaced. Yeah, it makes a person nervous to be without their ID, but its not so critical that he needed to hightail it back to WA if they were only on a couple of week vacation.

 

[mistoffolees]

My concern was that if they were somewhat transient in their living, and that all of their belongings went with them to AZ, that it would appear to be a move to AZ and therefore make it a tad more difficult for dad to force the children back to WA. I agree that WA would still have jurisdiction, that isn't the issue.

With the economy such as it is, there are a lot more somewhat transient families than there have been in the past. I also thought it a bit odd that dad needed to cut his portion of the vacation short to go back to WA to get his ID replaced. Yeah, it makes a person nervous to be without their ID, but its not so critical that he needed to hightail it back to WA if they were only on a couple of week vacation.

I'm curious where you found a statute that says that custody is determined by where your belongings have been.

 

[dudehawk]

My concern was that if they were somewhat transient in their living, and that all of their belongings went with them to AZ, that it would appear to be a move to AZ and therefore make it a tad more difficult for dad to force the children back to WA. I agree that WA would still have jurisdiction, that isn't the issue.

With the economy such as it is, there are a lot more somewhat transient families than there have been in the past. I also thought it a bit odd that dad needed to cut his portion of the vacation short to go back to WA to get his ID replaced. Yeah, it makes a person nervous to be without their ID, but its not so critical that he needed to hightail it back to WA if they were only on a couple of week vacation.

Our vactaion was for a few months, I was only expected to be gone for 4 days max for my drive back up, and to get a temp id and have my real one mailed to my home. All of our stuff was and still is in WA it is were im living now. WE took with us, A good chunk of clothes, just because of the duration of the stay, the kids's fav stuffed animals, for attachment reasons. Thats it. Everything was left back here because we were coming back. But i have learned ALOT about the person she is staying with and why she plans to leave the state.

 

[dudehawk]

For the sake of being not nameing anyone. We will call the kids's Mom person S, the guy she is staying with person J

For the last week, ive spent a great deal of my time trying to find information about Person J. What i have found is extreamly shocking. Without giving specific dates to keep everything well from keeping people named. Person J, had a court order involving the shared custody with his children. Less then 10 years ago PErson J had the apreance of a woman, and was the mother to her kids. He is actually a She. She kidnapped her kids and was on the run for three years. She was using false identities for her basic day to day living. Thats the only way she was ever cought by the U.S marshals, was when a utility bill went unpaid, it was lead back to her Ex husband, Well I talked to this Ex husband and his new wife and learned enough to make my stomache turn. In the end Person J was found not guilty of kidnapping her kids, but some of the stuff that came up afterwards is sickening. Accusations of child molestation, threatning peoples life, I found out that person J was charged and convicted with grand larson. Person J is a compulsive liar and a con artist, Her ex husband told me that this sounded like her M/O to lure people in to use them.

Now Person S has been sucked into this web of lies, and Anything i tell her to show her that this isnt a good situation theres always some sort of argument on how that is false.

This story was all over the news im sure with a little digging you guys will find it. IS there any information that can be used to help get at least my kids out of that sitaution? If person S wants to stay there, i cannot controll that. I'd like for my kids to be out of there though. I have extream fear for their safety.

 

[dudehawk]

going threw and reading a few things, I see that there is some confusion, and that is my fault. We were down there for a few weeks when the car was broken into. The entire trip was for 2 months, to get the kids to see some grandparents who had yet to see them. so i apologize for my misrepresentation. I was excited to have found a forum group who might be able to help me with this situation.

 

[mistoffolees]

For the sake of being not nameing anyone. We will call the kids's Mom person S, the guy she is staying with person J

For the last week, ive spent a great deal of my time trying to find information about Person J. What i have found is extreamly shocking. Without giving specific dates to keep everything well from keeping people named. Person J, had a court order involving the shared custody with his children. Less then 10 years ago PErson J had the apreance of a woman, and was the mother to her kids. He is actually a She. She kidnapped her kids and was on the run for three years. She was using false identities for her basic day to day living. Thats the only way she was ever cought by the U.S marshals, was when a utility bill went unpaid, it was lead back to her Ex husband, Well I talked to this Ex husband and his new wife and learned enough to make my stomache turn. In the end Person J was found not guilty of kidnapping her kids, but some of the stuff that came up afterwards is sickening. Accusations of child molestation, threatning peoples life, I found out that person J was charged and convicted with grand larson. Person J is a compulsive liar and a con artist, Her ex husband told me that this sounded like her M/O to lure people in to use them.

Now Person S has been sucked into this web of lies, and Anything i tell her to show her that this isnt a good situation theres always some sort of argument on how that is false.

This story was all over the news im sure with a little digging you guys will find it. IS there any information that can be used to help get at least my kids out of that sitaution? If person S wants to stay there, i cannot controll that. I'd like for my kids to be out of there though. I have extream fear for their safety.

Yes. As you were told, you file for custody in WA. If you can prove that Mom is living with that person and that the person is a danger to the kids, you can probably get an emergency hearing.

You got that advice early yesterday morning. What have you done so far?