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I received today, a "Request for Hearing on a Motion" (PAECIPE) ORDER/JUDGEMENT. In it, it states that following...

1. Motion Title: Convert Separate Maintenance
2. Moving Party: Defendant
3. Please place on the motion calendar for:
Judge..XXXX Date: 7/29/2011 Time: 8:30am
4. I certify that I have made personal contact with (left blank) on (left blank) regarding concurrence in relief sought in this motion and that concerence has been denied on (left blank) regarding concurrence in relief sought in this motion and that concurrence has been denied or that I have made diligent attempts to contact counsel regarding concurrence with motion.
Date 7-14-2011 Attorney XXXXX Bar XXXX.

ORDER/JUDGEMENT
(Everything is left blank under this category)

Motion to Convert Judgment of Separate Maintenance to Judgment of Divorce and Related Issues

Defendant states that the following in support of his motion:

1. That a Consent Judgment of Separate Maintenance was entered in this matter on March 25, 2010.

2. That defendant would now like to be divorced from plaintiff and would like this judgment converted to a Judgment of divorce.

Side Note: We went though mediation for the terms of our decree. It was agreed that at any time he or I would like a complete divorce that we would file the papers ourselves. In the meantime, this helped me until I had reasonable access to affordable health care, which I don't have yet but I agree that this was a very nice thing for him to help me with. Now though, his girlfriend (one of our past neighborhood friends) is having a hard time with this, but who really knows what the motive is as I don't believe he has any plans on remarrying. I prefer to stick with the facts though.

3. That the judgment of Separate Maintenance contains provisions which orders Defendant to pay Plaintiff modifiable spousal support in the amount of XXXX per month for 6 years. (It was an almost 17 year marriage)

4. That circumstances have changed, as follows, to warrant a change in the amount of spousal support that should be paid by Defendant to Plaintiff:

a. Plaintiff was unemployed when Judgment of Divorce was entered; Plaintiff is now earning in the excess of 28,000.00 per year.

Side Note: We started mediation the end of Nov 2010. Through a personal friend, I got a temp job on Dec 2nd, 2009 making $12 hour(outside of my field when I was working 14 years prior). Our mediation was completed just before xmas and everything was filed as we waited for a hearing. During this time, they hired me permanently on Jan 18th (with no raise). I immediately went to our lawyer and ex to let them know of my new status and asked if he wanted to recalculate CS and SS. He denied this request. Told myself and my lawyer that this was not needed. Because of my new job though, I agreed (verbally) to pay all the girls extra expenses as he was ordered to pay 90% and me 10% (medical, curricular, etc) and pay the one bill ($220) that was asked of him to pay in the decree which I have been doing faithfully except for my daughters recent camp where I asked him to help pay because of other circumstances.

b. At the time of Judgment, Plaintiff was living in the marital home with the minor children and Defendant wanted to pay Plaintiff enough money to allow the minor children to continue staying in the marital home. Plaintiff has now vacated the home.

Side Note: In the decree, I agreed to stay there for one year with the option of two years while paying all the bills. During this time, he criticized me for living in a huge mansion when he lived at his dads (who actually lived in Tennessee at the time). I was tired of the criticism and to be honest, I could not maintain a 3000 sq ft home while working fulltime. I decided in the end of November to list the house and he completely agreed. I put my own money into making that house attractive after that and even before, I made all the new counter tops myself as the old was very outdated. I did what I could to make the most we could on that house. It needed painting and a little updating when we initially moved in. It ended up selling in three days for close to asking price when I thought it might take months. It was him who had to sign all the paperwork etc. as it was his name on the mortgage. In the meantime, I was caught with no where to live but found a condo in the same neighborhood to rent until I could find a new home for me and the girls. This kept our girls in the same school district as there is only one apartment complex to rent in this district. (Small town, they only have two bdrms apts which is fine but there was no vacancy at the time). Another reason for selling the house is that it was in his name only and I thought it would be a good thing to free up his credit as 190k was owed on the house. I moved out of the house Jan 1st. Three months shy of the one year agreement.

c. Plaintiff was awarded a 100% interest in defendants retirement account at the time of separate maintenance action. The amount of approximately 60K was given to plaintiff because she was unemployed, in order to allow her to support the minor children and herself in the marital home. None of the retirement amount was awarded to Defendant.

Side Note: The total retirement at the time of legal separation was approx 86K which half was mine to begin with. His portion was 43K minus his half (13K)of the martial debt that I took on (his name was taken of off all credit card accounts) plus the amount of taxes that were realized in taking this money out to pay it. This left approx. 26k. After our “divorce” he needed money to buy a car so I told him that he could have his IRA back which was 6k. This left 20k that he gave to me extra. More than half of that helped me to afford to stay in the marital home and provide what the girls needed without asking him to contribute. Not only that, he was suppose to place my name on the deed (it was suppose to have been done when we bought the house in 2008 but was overlooked) so that I could claim the amount I paid in property tax and mortgage interest (there is case law that supports this) but he didn’t and took the deduction for something he didn’t pay and that cost me about $2500. Granted he may have ultimately paid it BUT in the beginning of our divorce he told me that I could just have all the retirement and there were no stipulations at that time. He just wanted me gone. When it came convenient for him, he placed stipulations. (He was messing around on me for a year before our move into the new house with an employee. He is a software engineer manager and obtained his Bachelors and Masters while we were married. And before our marriage ended, he hired our mutual friend (now his gf). Not relevant but there are always motives for what people do and say).
 
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cont'd...

WHEREFORE, Defendant requests the courts to:

1. Grant Judgment of Divorce pursuant to the terms in the Judgment of Separate Maintenance with the exception of spousal support provisions;

2. Order that spousal support be terminated;


3. Order that if there are issues remaining in this action, that the case be referred to Mediation to resolve such issues before Trail; and

4. Order any other relief deemed equitable by this court.


This is dated 7/14. For the past three weeks I have been asking him to go to mediation because he was interfering with my parenting time. When I tried to talk to him about it before then, he would agree but go back to what he was doing. (In our decree, it states that if we have problems in many areas that we will seek mediation first). Also, the decree states that he is to have them two weeks out of the year which to date, he has not done. This year, he told me that he didn’t want them for three weeks in July, not when he wanted them. He delayed his answer regarding mediation with excuses until finally in text yesterday (7/15) he said NO. I was prepared to hire my own lawyer to resolve that issue given his response until I received this in the mail today.

If he is able to terminate my SS, I will not qualify for a home of our own. I was willing to renegotiate the SS in the beginning and I am also willing to renegotiate after I found a home to buy. The delay in doing that right now is that I need a home that I will be able to afford without the support as I don’t want to end up in foreclosure down the road. I have put in a few offers but have been beaten out. In the meantime, I am keeping the girls in the district that they are in while the extra money I have is still being depleted to this day. I should also mention that when we were figuring out SS and CS, I left out amounts that he makes through his disability and working pt as a teacher at a local college (something he did almost all through our marriage) which totals to about another 8k.

So with this, my questions are:

Can my SS be truly terminated? (It is modifiable)
Am I going to court (trial), or is this mediation?
Can I, if he loses, ask for my attorney fees to be reimbursed? (I will have to pay for this out of the money I have saved to buy a home for us).

Also, at work, I have a brand new opportunity to learn the mainstay of the business. I am training now, someone to support my position (I am in a position that is secondary) as I learn the new position for the gal who is going on maternity leave. This court action may very well jeopardize this happening. If this happens, I lose the chance to further expanding my experience in the logistics field and I have come to rely on this to one day be able to fully support myself when all the support in over. (Not necessarily at this company as raises are only .50 or so a year.)

I have left a message with our mediation attorney but in the meantime I am worried for my girls and myself. If you have any thoughts I sure would appreciate it until I can speak with my attorney. I will accept anything that anyone here has a thought regarding.

Thank You,

CrazyeightsWhat is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Yes, your SS can be terminated. Will it? Nobody can guess, truly.

I'll be honest though - the fact that you might not be able to buy your own home isn't your ex's problem.

To me, that's just not a compelling argument.

But others might disagree.
 
Yes, your SS can be terminated. Will it? Nobody can guess, truly.

I'll be honest though - the fact that you might not be able to buy your own home isn't your ex's problem.

To me, that's just not a compelling argument.

But others might disagree.
Thank you for your response but on what grounds do you believe my SS can be terminated? He agreed to not recalculate and I have taken on what was suppose to be his responsibilty because of that. It was verbal and I have maintained that verbal agreement.

I agree that my ability to buy a home is not my ex's responsibility...if need be I may very well have to move them to another district, away from where they are doing very well and a curriculum that Is seRving them well. This is all good but why would a dad who is a teacher at a local college (part time) jeoporadize this?
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Thank you for your response but on what grounds do you believe my SS can be terminated? He agreed to not recalculate and I have taken on what was suppose to be his responsibilty because of that. It was verbal and I have maintained that verbal agreement.

I agree that my ability to buy a home is not my ex's responsibility...if need be I may very well have to move them to another district, away from where they are doing very well and a curriculum that Is seRving them well. This is all good but why would a dad who is a teacher at a local college (part time) jeoporadize this?

Very simply, because it's modifiable. If your ex can articulate a compelling argument - which he may - it might be terminated.

You're working now - you weren't at the time. That is a change in circumstance.
 
Very simply, because it's modifiable. If your ex can articulate a compelling argument - which he may - it might be terminated.

You're working now - you weren't at the time. That is a change in circumstance.
He makes 102K+ I disclosed the fact that I was hired as a temp and I disclosed when I was hired permanently. I have paid for everything for the girls since. I kept our agreement to the upmost. I am having a hard time understanding what the change of circumstance is????
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
He makes 102K+ I disclosed the fact that I was hired as a temp and I disclosed when I was hired permanently. I have paid for everything for the girls since. I kept our agreement to the upmost. I am having a hard time understanding what the change of circumstance is????


Because of this:

3. That the judgment of Separate Maintenance contains provisions which orders Defendant to pay Plaintiff modifiable spousal support in the amount of XXXX per month for 6 years. (It was an almost 17 year marriage)

4. That circumstances have changed, as follows, to warrant a change in the amount of spousal support that should be paid by Defendant to Plaintiff:

a. Plaintiff was unemployed when Judgment of Divorce was entered; Plaintiff is now earning in the excess of 28,000.00 per year.

Just because he didn't file when that was initially disclosed doesn't mean he can't do so now.
 
He makes 102K+ I disclosed the fact that I was hired as a temp and I disclosed when I was hired permanently. I have paid for everything for the girls since. I kept our agreement to the upmost. I am having a hard time understanding what the change of circumstance is????
I was working before our divorce was final and I disclosed this. It was actually during our mediation that I was hired. We were still living together at the time.

Not arguing but want to get the facts straight just in case.
 
Because of this:




Just because he didn't file when that was initially disclosed doesn't mean he can't do so now.
You are right but doesn't the fact that he chose not to before the "divorce" was final deny him of the "change of circumstance" reasoning?

In my thought, he denied reevalation when he was aware of this fact so there is no change of circumstance???? No? He was fully aware of my employment before we were "divorced". I made sure of it so that it wouldn't come back to haunt me like right now.
 
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Proserpina

Senior Member
You are right but doesn't the fact that he chose not to before the "divorce" was final deny him of the "change of circumstance" reasoning?

In my thought, he denied reevalation when he was aware of this fact so there is no change of circumstance???? No?


The original order for support was made in March 2010, correct?

THAT is what he appears to be basing this on - not the subsequent mediation.

That's what you should argue though - exactly what you've said here.
 
The original order for support was made in March 2010, correct? Yes, but we were going through our mediation in Nov to Dec of 2009. I disclosed that I was working as a temp in Dec 2009 and as a permanent employee as of Jan 2010. I was willing to renegotiate CS and SS at that time. He said no. (He didn't want to prolong the divorce which wouldn't have happened but he thought it would)


THAT is what he appears to be basing this on - not the subsequent mediation.

That's what you should argue though - exactly what you've said here.
The original order for support was made in March 2010, correct? Yes, but we were going through our mediation in Nov to Dec of 2009. I disclosed that I was working as a temp in Dec 2009 and as a permanent employee as of Jan 2010. I was willing to renegotiate CS and SS at that time. He said no. (He didn't want to prolong the divorce which wouldn't have happened but he thought it would)
 
I'm sorry - I hope that someone else can make their way through that tome. I couldn't.
Stealth....in a nutshell, I found work before we were "divorced", while we were going through mediation. I disclosed it when I was hired temporarily and permanently and asked him to recalculate CS and SS before we went in front of the judge in which he denied. Now he is taking me to court (I think) for a change of circumstance. I was willing to change it then and I would be willing to change it when I get on my feet absolutely but if you ask me there is still a huge disparity in our incomes and when we first calculated everything, I didn't include some of his income. My fault that is for certain.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Stealth....in a nutshell, I found work before we were "divorced", while we were going through mediation. I disclosed it when I was hired temporarily and permanently and asked him to recalculate CS and SS before we went in front of the judge in which he denied. Now he is taking me to court (I think) for a change of circumstance. I was willing to change it then and I would be willing to change it when I get on my feet absolutely but if you ask me there is still a huge disparity in our incomes and when we first calculated everything, I didn't include some of his income. My fault that is for certain.

I have a quick question.

If you were willing to recalculate it then, why not now exactly?
 
I have a quick question.

If you were willing to recalculate it then, why not now exactly?
Because when I initially brought everything to forefront, I did it under the pretense that whatever came of it, that would be what I made my life decisions upon for the future. I based eveything that I have planned since on being honest, truthful and fair since then. It doesn't seem right in doing so, that he can just come back to be spiteful and go against his word, although I maybe should have known better because honor was never part of his vocabulary unless it had something to do with his career. That was the only thing he truly honored......
 

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