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Landlord Waited 3 Months To Rack Up Late Fees Before Notice

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Ratman_84

Junior Member
STATE: CALIFORNIA

Hello, I've come for some legal advice regarding late rent fees. Basically, I forgot that the cutoff date was the 3rd of each month and for some reason thought it was the 10th. The latest I've paid rent is the 7th or 8th of the month. Keep in mind that this is my first apartment and I'm still under the impression that each landlord sets their own late date. If this is wrong and there is a state/federal law governing late dates, then please let me know.

Today I have just received a letter from the landlord stating that I have incurred $150 worth of late fees, which represent three $50 late charges. This is the first and only notification I've received. The way I see it, the company purposely waited 3 months to rack up late fees before contacting me about a late monthly bill.

Also note that I have lived here for over 2 years and never missed rent beyond what I accidentally thought was the cutoff date.

Also, as extra information that could potentially help me, I have saved an email I sent to the landlord about a leak in the corner of my ceiling that was cracking the plaster and causing mold. He responded saying that he would have someone contact me and come out. This was in Winter 09-10 and no one ever contacted me or came out. Being in school and work I let the issue slide as summer came and I didn't have to worry about the leak. Then in Winter 10-11 I contacted him again and this time someone actually came out and took care of it.

Here is a word for word of the original contract on regards to late payment

"Late rent can incur the following fees: If Landlord, and/or Landlord's agents does not receive rent by the 3rd of the month, a late fee of $50.00 is due. If receipt of rent is late and the Landlord, or Agent of the Landlord, serves a 3-day pay or quit notice to obtain the rent, then an additional $35.00 is due for serving and/or preparing the notice as well as the $50.00 late fee. The Tentant will not receive a call to remind them to pay their rent or if their rent is late prior to serving the notice."

What this says to me is that I should have received some kind of 3 day pay or quit notice the first month I was late, which I definitely did not.

I plan on emailing the landlord a nicely worded message stating that I accidentally thought it was the 10th and that I did not receive any kind of notification for the late fee, as well as being a long term resident, one of only 2 left after these 2 years. If the landlord won't work with me, I'd like to know what legal actions I can take against them. I feel it is in some way illegal for them to wait 3 months to notify me. If they had contacted me after the first month, I would have looked at the contract, seen I was wrong, and paid the first $50 fee.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 


Gail in Georgia

Senior Member
"Late rent can incur the following fees: If Landlord, and/or Landlord's agents does not receive rent by the 3rd of the month, a late fee of $50.00 is due. If receipt of rent is late and the Landlord, or Agent of the Landlord, serves a 3-day pay or quit notice to obtain the rent, then an additional $35.00 is due for serving and/or preparing the notice as well as the $50.00 late fee. The Tentant will not receive a call to remind them to pay their rent or if their rent is late prior to serving the notice."

What this says to me is that I should have received some kind of 3 day pay or quit notice the first month I was late, which I definitely did not."


The landlord is not mommy nor daddy and doesn't have to send you any reminder about late rent. This also is stated in the above.

What this above statement means is if the landlord/management gets tired of waiting around for the rent, they can begin the eviction process by serving you a three day pay or quit notice which (to avoid them actually filing for an eviction) can be handled by 1. paying the $50 late fee, 2. AND the additional $35 fee, 3. AND your rent.


"I plan on emailing the landlord a nicely worded message stating that I accidentally thought it was the 10th and that I did not receive any kind of notification for the late fee, as well as being a long term resident, one of only 2 left after these 2 years. If the landlord won't work with me, I'd like to know what legal actions I can take against them."


Absolutely none whatsoever. If they take the step to sue you for this money, your only recourse is to state that they continued to accept rent from you despite your being late at least three times.

Gail
 

CourtClerk

Senior Member
This is the first and only notification I've received.
No it's not. You stated later that it was in your rental agreement. Your rental agreement is the FIRST AND ONLY notification you're obligated to receive. Once you sign the agreement, you're agreeing that you've read, understand and accept what you're signing.

Also, as extra information that could potentially help me, I have saved an email I sent to the landlord about a leak in the corner of my ceiling that was cracking the plaster and causing mold. He responded saying that he would have someone contact me and come out. This was in Winter 09-10 and no one ever contacted me or came out. Being in school and work I let the issue slide as summer came and I didn't have to worry about the leak. Then in Winter 10-11 I contacted him again and this time someone actually came out and took care of it.
Then it's done and taken care of. That doesn't help you at all. Both of you let it go for a year... it didn't harm you. No big deal.


What I suggest is that you pay your late fees or be prepared to have a 3 day notice served on you the next time your rent is one minute late and/or be prepared to have a notice to terminate tenancy served on you. You're in the wrong, you need to accept responsibility.
 

Ratman_84

Junior Member
I'm aware the landlord isn't "mommy" or "daddy" and I'm not 5 so I don't use the terms "mommy" or "daddy". I was under the impression that in the state of California, in a month-to-month contract the late date was the 10th. As someone who works 10-12 hours a day and is often out of town, this situation was convenient.

Now, I understand the ramifications of signing a document, which is why I plan on sending a calm email asking for the fees to be waived. If this does not work, I'd like to know how likely it is to site neglegence as the company did continue to accept rent from me without notice of late payment fees, as well as not following through on health related mold repairs to the apartment. As a landlord he ignored mold related issues. It is not my responsibility to continually remind the landlord of mold problems as it is not his to remind me of the stipulations of the contract I signed, although it is neglegent as a company to take payments from a customer who is accumulating additional late fees.

Speaking in profits/losses it would cost him more to charge me the $150, lose me as a tennant, and try and replace me with another long term tennant as most people don't stay here past the 1 year lease, especially after recent rent increases.
 
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FarmerJ

Senior Member
R 84 it comes to this, you signed the lease, it is up to you to know its terms. Your LL doesnt have to issue reminder notices when you forget about something like late fees. If you have any repair issues it is best to pu them on paper letter sent via certified mail. repair req you dont create a paper trail for have nothing to do with your justification or idea that you should be excused from paying lates. 3 months is not enough time to try to claim its a stale issue. if you dont pay them your at risk of LL refusing to renew the lease with you. your LL is in a business so LL already knows that if you or any other tenant leaves its not a shock , they will find another tenant ( it happens all the time)
 

Searchertwin

Senior Member
As a landlord he ignored mold related issues. It is not my responsibility to continually remind the landlord of mold problems as it is not his to remind me of the stipulations of the contract I signed,
Incorrect, it is your responsibility to remind LL of problems. Did LL sign an agreement with you to keep him inform of repairs? Of course not, but you did in your lease. And don't come back with that I don't know what in your lease. A good lease will indicate a section on repairs.

Beside, mold is something that you as a tenant, should have taken care of. A little elbow grease along with bleach and water. I can't believe you have not complain of sickness. You must not be knowledgeable on what tenant try and pull with the "mold" card.

But you will lose with using mold as an excuse to vacate. And you will lose on your frame of thinking that you have no responsibility on meeting your obligation on a sign lease.
 

Gail in Georgia

Senior Member
"Speaking in profits/losses it would cost him more to charge me the $150, lose me as a tennant, and try and replace me with another long term tennant as most people don't stay here past the 1 year lease, especially after recent rent increases."

Your argument might work, might not. It's up to management to decide whether they are going to waive these fees based on the fact that you've lived there for two years.


"Also, as extra information that could potentially help me, I have saved an email I sent to the landlord about a leak in the corner of my ceiling that was cracking the plaster and causing mold. He responded saying that he would have someone contact me and come out. This was in Winter 09-10 and no one ever contacted me or came out. Being in school and work I let the issue slide as summer came and I didn't have to worry about the leak. Then in Winter 10-11 I contacted him again and this time someone actually came out and took care of it. "

This won't help your argument one bit. By your own admission, this issue didn't seem to bother you enough to continue residing in the rental unit for another 13 months. Besides, it has nothing to do with the late rent issue.

Gail
 

Ratman_84

Junior Member
Final question.

If they won't waive the fees, am I allowed to have them deduct them from my deposit? I ask this because I don't have the money to pay the fees right now and that money is technically mine. Also because my apartment is in pristine condition and if I'm not mistaken after 2 years they legally have to re-paint and re-carpet the apartment, so most of that deposit should be credited back to me anyway.
 

CourtClerk

Senior Member
There is nothing in the law that requires recarpeting after 2 years that I'm aware of, and while most landlords will paint after 2 years, I can't think of a statute that requires them to do so.

So, work your magic on us first. Go find the laws that state that they have to recarpet and paint after 2 years and post them here, because surely you're not going to write him a letter that says the law says.... and not tell him the law itself. Are you?
 

Searchertwin

Senior Member
Final question.

If they won't waive the fees, am I allowed to have them deduct them from my deposit? I ask this because I don't have the money to pay the fees right now and that money is technically mine. Also because my apartment is in pristine condition and if I'm not mistaken after 2 years they legally have to re-paint and re-carpet the apartment, so most of that deposit should be credited back to me anyway.
Yes, you can ask them to deduct from the deposit. But that depends if there is any money left after they deduct from damages. And if they are willing to do that.
If the walls have holes, mark scruffs or anything of damage, they can paint and charge you. Same for carpet, if there are holes, tearing, stains, etc.
Plus what is clean to you is not to me. So a lot of variables.
No such law that you are stating of the 2 years.
 

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