Need advice in Cali!!

[asiny]

What is will the judgmental attitudes here? So I'm a bad person because I have personal reasons for not wanting this to go on? For not caring that a random girl is sleeping with a random guy? Do you even really care? Not knowing who these people are, can you honestly say your concerned for their welfare? If you do, your lying. Also my "TRUE" motives? I'm sorry - did I say somewhere that I was very concerned that they were making bad life decisions? I don't care about them anymore than I care about a stranger; I don't want anything bad to happen, but I also don't really care. Am I weird for thinking this way? I figure this is how most people would feel in my situation...

Call the police and advise them that your roommate is sleeping with a minor-
Get an attorney.
It's not judgmental, it's the fact that your personal reasons for not wanting this to go on has nothing to do with protecting a minor from rape (which is exactly what it is). It has to do with you not wanting to go through the 'trouble' of finding a new roommate.
As said before, by many others, you can be held as a responsible party for allowing this to happen- with the knowledge you have- and did nothing about it.
Just because you don't want to go through the trouble of finding a new roommate does not excuse you allowing him to rape a minor. Consensual or not.. it's called rape - regardless of how you attempt to 'claim' that using that term is to create biased, loaded interpretation of the events. The law does not see it that way... neither should you.

 

[cyjeff]

What is will the judgmental attitudes here? So I'm a bad person because I have personal reasons for not wanting this to go on?

You KNOW a child is being molested on a nightly basis and are rationalizing the behavior because you don't want to have to find a new roommate.

Makes me wonder what the cops will find on YOUR computer...

For not caring that a random girl is sleeping with a random guy? Do you even really care?

Most people do care.

Not knowing who these people are, can you honestly say your concerned for their welfare? If you do, your lying.

Ah, so now you are convincing yourself that not caring about this behavior is okay because "everyone would ignore it... and if they say they wouldn't, they would be lying".

You are wrong. Very few civilized people would trade a child's welfare for rent.

Also my "TRUE" motives? I'm sorry - did I say somewhere that I was very concerned that they were making bad life decisions? I don't care about them anymore than I care about a stranger; I don't want anything bad to happen, but I also don't really care. Am I weird for thinking this way? I figure this is how most people would feel in my situation...

Nope, most people do care.

You care about the environment, you vote for politicials on their social platform... you even come here so that VOLUNTEERS can help YOU...

Yet you say that no one cares and no one helps. Kid, we do it every day.

That's alright. I will see if we can get your IP address. We will handle it even if you don't.

By the way, someday, if you find yourself stranded on the side of the road and wonder why no one helps you, reassure yourself that your problems, your issues and your needs are not important to anyone but yourself... and, therefore, no one SHOULD help you.

I am sure you won't see the irony... but it will be there all the same.

 

[Alex1176]

but what are the consequences for her? That's probably what will hit home the most ...say what you want but the guy is crazy for her and is very protective.

For her? To have a boyfriend raped in the **s in jail by some huge cellmates it's not bad enough?

 

[sbrooks]

You are a nightly witness to a child being raped and are doing nothing. You should start getting used to people becoming VERY rude with you.



What part of the law was confusing to you?

Legally, the child cannot consent to sex. Therefore, the child is being raped. Even if she tore her clothes off and BEGGED to be ravished.

She is being raped. Your rationalization and minimalization will not serve you in good stead.



Oh, so THAT makes it legal!!!!!

It doesn't matter if mom handed her a condom before and high fived her afterward...



Yup. Keep telling yourself that.



So, unless you actually SEE the child being raped you are okay with it?



Bite me. You know a child is being abused and are doing nothing. It is not your problem. Someone else will take care of it.

You hit me as the same type of people that would demand humanity out of other people - that would say to them, "How can you not help when you KNOW you could be helping a child?"

You vote for politicians that help the sick and protect the weak.

And here you are. An opportunity right in front of you to make the world a better place....and it is someone else's problem.

Give me your address.... I will make sure that "someone else" calls.



Ah, so now we come down to it.

Your roommate can rape all the children he wants as long as he keeps the noise down and pays his rent on time.

Again... how wonderful are you?

You have finally answered the age-old question... what is the worth of a child? Apparently, it is around $800 a month and half the utilities.

And you strike me as a person who votes the best sounding politician, who makes promises to right the wrongs of your idealized little world, with no idea how to do that and even less foresight as to how the situation would unfold should they do the things they say they would. If she was a 12 year old CHILD than yes, obviously I would not hesitate to take action. If she was 14 or even 15 years old I would do the same. If he had just met her and was planning to "hit it and quit it" then I would do the same. However she is 16 and the only thing that says she can't consent to sex is what state she lives in. Hardly the same situation. My roommate is a good person who happens to be in love with a girl three years younger than him. Please don't equate him to a rapist.

 

[Cali408nia]

And you strike me as a person who votes the best sounding politician, who makes promises to right the wrongs of your idealized little world, with no idea how to do that and even less foresight as to how the situation would unfold should they do the things they say they would. If she was a 12 year old CHILD than yes, obviously I would not hesitate to take action. If she was 14 or even 15 years old I would do the same. If he had just met her and was planning to "hit it and quit it" then I would do the same. However she is 16 and the only thing that says she can't consent to sex is what state she lives in. Hardly the same situation. My roommate is a good person who happens to be in love with a girl three years younger than him. Please don't equate him to a rapist.

You've received the correct legal advice. Your opinion vs. the harsh opinions are just going to keep on going in the same path that they have so far. If you like to argue and name call, go for it. I'd just take the legal advice and act on it.

 

[CdwJava]

Your roommate is committing a sexual assault. be sure to tell him that if he is more than three years {36 months) older than her, he can go to state prison for up to 3 years per PC 261.5.

You have knowledge of the sexual assault. You have knowledge that she is not attending school. This is contributing to the delinquency of a minor and can be charged as a misdemeanor per PC 272. Being charged or arrested might also get you both booted out of your apartment, too.

You asked what can happen to her ... well, aside from being made a ward of the state because parents and grandma are not properly caring for her, and being charged for truancy, nothing. She risks nothing, your roommate risks prison, and you risk county jail.

Your call.

 

[sbrooks]

You KNOW a child is being molested on a nightly basis and are rationalizing the behavior because you don't want to have to find a new roommate.

Makes me wonder what the cops will find on YOUR computer...



Most people do care.



Ah, so now you are convincing yourself that not caring about this behavior is okay because "everyone would ignore it... and if they say they wouldn't, they would be lying".

You are wrong. Very few civilized people would trade a child's welfare for rent.



Nope, most people do care.

You care about the environment, you vote for politicials on their social platform... you even come here so that VOLUNTEERS can help YOU...

Yet you say that no one cares and no one helps. Kid, we do it every day.

That's alright. I will see if we can get your IP address. We will handle it even if you don't.

By the way, someday, if you find yourself stranded on the side of the road and wonder why no one helps you, reassure yourself that your problems, your issues and your needs are not important to anyone but yourself... and, therefore, no one SHOULD help you.

I am sure you won't see the irony... but it will be there all the same.

Wow. Dude. I'm so glad that you can sit there and talk about people being civilized when you can't get through a post without personally attacking a person. I believe strongly in minding my own business and that other people are able to make decisions for themselves. Admittedly I might feel a little different if I had a daughter or if I was a little older, but the people I'm relating to are the people stuck in the middle of the situation. And, regardless of my motivations, which by the way, was more of a joke than anything else, I am trying to help fix the situation. Did I say that I was planning on letting them continue to shack up in our apartment? No. Because I've already made the decision to stop it. Not because I find moral aggravation at the thought of a 16 and 19 year old being together but because I don't want anything to happen to them. And for your information, since I can recognize your rhetoric, I'm a Republican. And I vote based on what people say and their history of backing it up.

Also to correct a point, I don't mean to say most people don't care about anything, because I think most people are decent and do care - perhaps I'm just to close to the people who are involved and it's skewing my judgement, but I don't care that they are together. I DO care that there are legal ramifications to it.

 

[sbrooks]

Your roommate is committing a sexual assault. be sure to tell him that if he is more than three years {36 months) older than her, he can go to state prison for up to 3 years per PC 261.5.

You have knowledge of the sexual assault. You have knowledge that she is not attending school. This is contributing to the delinquency of a minor and can be charged as a misdemeanor per PC 272. Being charged or arrested might also get you both booted out of your apartment, too.

You asked what can happen to her ... well, aside from being made a ward of the state because parents and grandma are not properly caring for her, and being charged for truancy, nothing. She risks nothing, your roommate risks prison, and you risk county jail.

Your call.

Thank you. Do I have to complete ban her from the apartment? Can she be there so long as nothing sexual happens? Do I have to report it even if its not happening in my residence? Do I just call the police if it happens again? Or SPC? Or someone else?

 

[sbrooks]

You've received the correct legal advice. Your opinion vs. the harsh opinions are just going to keep on going in the same path that they have so far. If you like to argue and name call, go for it. I'd just take the legal advice and act on it.

You're absolutely right. Thank you.

 

[Banned_Princess]

Thank you. Do I have to complete ban her from the apartment? Can she be there so long as nothing sexual happens? Do I have to report it even if its not happening in my residence? Do I just call the police if it happens again? Or SPC? Or someone else?

Now you are trying to allow this, by "monitoring them"?

NO tell her, and him, she cant come by anymore. She only "loves" him because he has a place she can go to.

Find a roommate older then 19.

 

[cyjeff]

Wow. Dude. I'm so glad that you can sit there and talk about people being civilized when you can't get through a post without personally attacking a person.

You are allowing a child to be raped so that you don't have to find a new roommate.

I have not called you a single name... merely stated the facts over and over. You seem to think that speaking the truth to you is name calling.

Might be your conscience is bothering you just a mite.

I believe strongly in minding my own business and that other people are able to make decisions for themselves.

So if your next roommate cooks up a little meth on the stove or begins keeping chickens in the hall closet, that's cool?

Nope... those things are BAD. Raping kids is okay as long as you don't see it.

What you don't understand is that HE is RAPING HER. OVER and OVER. You know it. You HEAR it. You do nothing.

Minding your own business? Lucky he isn't renting her out....or is that what you are hoping for?

Admittedly I might feel a little different if I had a daughter or if I was a little older, but the people I'm relating to are the people stuck in the middle of the situation.

Except the girl. She's the victim.

And, regardless of my motivations, which by the way, was more of a joke than anything else, I am trying to help fix the situation.

Yeah, that's crap.

You are trying to fix the situation in such a way as you don't lose your roommate because finding another one is such a pain.

Did I say that I was planning on letting them continue to shack up in our apartment? No.

Oh good, you are calling the police.

Because I've already made the decision to stop it.

Oh good, you are calling the police.

Not because I find moral aggravation at the thought of a 16 and 19 year old being together but because I don't want anything to happen to them

Oh crap, you AREN'T calling the police.

And for your information, since I can recognize your rhetoric, I'm a Republican. And I vote based on what people say and their history of backing it up.

Yeah? Then show me where it says that it's okay to rape a child as long as you "love" her and pay your rent on time.

I watched the debate last night... I don't remember that point coming up.

Also to correct a point, I don't mean to say most people don't care about anything, because I think most people are decent and do care

That is the exact opposite of what you said. You seem to move in and out of "truth" rather easily.

Maybe it explains why it is so easy to reason away the rape of a child just so you don't have to find another roommate.

- perhaps I'm just to close to the people who are involved and it's skewing my judgement, but I don't care that they are together. I DO care that there are legal ramifications to it.

So, raping children is okay as long as it doesn't impact you.

Not exactly a humanitarian, are you?

Never mind... I will just request that IP.






By the way, what do you want to bet that they will sleep together tonight whether you dig up the stones to tell them or not?

I think it approaches 100%... why? Because they KNOW you are too weak to call the police... you will look the other way.

And when that child is pregnant and her life is ruined, I hope she tells the nice policeman about the man that raped her and the other man that looked the other way.

I just hope there isn't a mirror there.

 

[davew128]

OP, while I understand your position and to some extant empathize, you're running another risk beyond the criminal one, and that's a breach of the lease for an unauthorized occupant. Its almost a certainty with a corporation owning the property that there is very specific lease language about overnight visitors. Stay there long enough and someone WILL notice the extra girl being there every night.

So if you want to remain in the apartment, do whatever it takes to keep that girl out of there.

 

[Alex1176]

OP, while I understand your position and to some extant empathize, you're running another risk beyond the criminal one, and that's a breach of the lease for an unauthorized occupant. Its almost a certainty with a corporation owning the property that there is very specific lease language about overnight visitors. Stay there long enough and someone WILL notice the extra girl being there every night.

So if you want to remain in the apartment, do whatever it takes to keep that girl out of there.

Does he really can ban her legally from coming to the apartment? I really not sure. If there are no overnights, I don't think he can do much.

 

[Alex1176]

I DO care that there are legal ramifications to it.

I can agree with you that this is a victim-less crime. There is no real hard core rape going on. If they where lived 100 feet across the state line of Nevada, it was legal. No "rape", no "child molestation", and no other hysteric words.
But this is the law in California. You need to obey it and to think about yourself and your involvement in a crime. I would ran from there like the bip bip bird.
And another thing: I have also lived with roommates, and I tried not be involved in their lives. Less you know, less hurting you. Minding your own business it's the better thing to do.

 

[mistoffolees]

I can agree with you that this is a victim-less crime. There is no real hard core rape going on. If they where lived 100 feet across the state line of Nevada, it was legal. No "rape", no "child molestation", and no other hysteric words.
But this is the law in California. You need to obey it and to think about yourself and your involvement in a crime. I would ran from there like the bip bip bird.
And another thing: I have also lived with roommates, and I tried not be involved in their lives. Less you know, less hurting you. Minding your own business it's the better thing to do.

What part of 'minor' do you not understand? It most certainly is NOT a victimless crime. The minor is unable to legally consent to having sex with someone of that age. It is statutory rape or whatever words are used to describe the crime in that state.

The fact that it would be legal if they lived somewhere else is irrelevant. They don't live somewhere else. You don't get to choose which laws to follow.

Does he really can ban her legally from coming to the apartment? I really not sure. If there are no overnights, I don't think he can do much.

Even if there are overnights, he can't ban her from the apartment. Assuming that the roommate signed the lease, they both have the right to have an over night guest (unless the leas forbids this). OP does not have the legal authority to ban the roommates guests.

He needs to deal with the illegal activity directly - either by reporting it or by asking the roommate to leave (or starting legal eviction with the cooperation of the landlord).