schools, cell phones, cameras

[davew128]

Therefore committing OBSTRUCTION.

I disagree. They didn't obstruct the operation of the camera.....it transmitted a perfectly good image of the cover over the lens.

 

[jchasex]

I disagree that it's obstruction too...don't all those statutes refer to the electronic nature of devices?

The camera was working as it should have the entire time. Just with 5 mins of blackness...

We didn't mess with the sending, transmission, conveyance or delivery of information....we just replaced the information...?

 

[Isis1]

I disagree that it's obstruction too...don't all those statutes refer to the electronic nature of devices?

The camera was working as it should have the entire time. Just with 5 mins of blackness...

We didn't mess with the sending, transmission, conveyance or delivery of information....we just replaced the information...?

*sigh*. Yes you did.

 

[jchasex]

That statute to me relates to the physical and technical side of the communication.

What part of it relates to the content of the message that goes out?

We didn't obstruct a message, communication or report from being sent, transmitted, conveyed, delivered....The message still got there.

 

[Humusluvr]

That statute to me relates to the physical and technical side of the communication.

What part of it relates to the content of the message that goes out?

We didn't obstruct a message, communication or report from being sent, transmitted, conveyed, delivered....The message still got there.

Yes, you did.

ob·struc·tion
noun /əbˈstrəkSHən/  /äb-/ 
obstructions, plural

The action of obstructing or the state of being obstructed
- they faced obstruction in carrying out their research
- walkers could proceed with the minimum of obstruction

A thing that impedes or prevents passage or progress; an obstacle or blockage
- the tractor hit an obstruction

(in various sports) The action of unlawfully obstructing a player on the opposing team

Blockage of a bodily passageway, as the intestines

The action of deliberately hindering a legal process

You placing the rag over the camera obstructed the view of what the camera was meant to record.

This is not a good sign for you.

 

[TheGeekess]

That statute to me relates to the physical and technical side of the communication.

What part of it relates to the content of the message that goes out?

We didn't obstruct a message, communication or report from being sent, transmitted, conveyed, delivered....The message still got there.

Yes you did. Those cameras are there for a reason; to record what's going on in that particular area. If you cover the camera, you are obstructing the camera from transmitting the data across the network. And if they've got somebody really bright looking at the data before and after you covered the camera and from the other cameras in the area? You are so busted.

And if you think everybody at school is your best buddy and won't tell the Administration who did it? Yeah. Good luck with that. I predict that the moment Administration decides that cell phone will no longer be allowed on campus due to your little escapade that half-a-dozen of your 'best buddies' will be queuing up to let Administration know whose phone number is whose.

 

[Humusluvr]

Yes you did. Those cameras are there for a reason; to record what's going on in that particular area. If you cover the camera, you are obstructing the camera from transmitting the data across the network. And if they've got somebody really bright looking at the data before and after you covered the camera and from the other cameras in the area? You are so busted.

And if you think everybody at school is your best buddy and won't tell the Administration who did it? Yeah. Good luck with that. I predict that the moment Administration decides that cell phone will no longer be allowed on campus due to your little escapade that half-a-dozen of your 'best buddies' will be queuing up to let Administration know whose phone number is whose.

Boy, triangulation is a son of a B!!!

 

[xylene]

What if you are just fat and block the camera?



That's because smart alek here is right.

 

[TheGeekess]

What if you are just fat and block the camera?



That's because smart alek here is right.

Properly placed security cameras would not have this problem. And I'm willing to bet that they are placed high enough that this is not EVEN a consideration.

 

[xylene]

Properly placed security cameras would not have this problem.

I'm really really fat.

The law is quite clear using the phrase "telegraph or telephone line, wire or cable"

If the students had cut the wire or disconnected the camera... that is another story.

 

[davew128]

I'm really really fat.

The law is quite clear using the phrase "telegraph or telephone line, wire or cable"

If the students had cut the wire or disconnected the camera... that is another story.

Which is what I had pointed out. The camera functioned as it was intended to. That someone on the other end may not have seen what the camera was expected to show does not mean the camera malfunctioned or the transmission blocked. The camera transmitted a perfectly fine image of the cover in front of the lense. It operated exactly as it was supposed to.

 

[frylover]

You and your friends really are obnoxious little troublemakers, aren't you?

Of course, considering that one of your posts in one of your threads suggested that your parents don't see anything wrong with this kind of asinine behavior, I'm not surprised. When you and your "cool" friends pull some stunt that actually gets you arrested, they will probably be here posting about the injustices of the legal system, about how "ALL he did was (fill in the blank), what's so bad about that" and wanting to know how to be sure their precious baby doesn't have to suffer any consequences.

 

[jchasex]

Humusluvr - I agree that we obstructed the view of the camera (obviously). I disagree that the use of 'obstruction' in that legal statute relates to the view of the camera. I think it relates to obstructing the electronic transmission...

And if they've got somebody really bright looking at the data before and after you covered the camera and from the other cameras in the area? You are so busted.

Well, we did consider that issue before we went in.

I predict that the moment Administration decides that cell phone will no longer be allowed on campus due to your little escapade that half-a-dozen of your 'best buddies' will be queuing up to let Administration know whose phone number is whose.

Haha, yeah, well, maybe.

Which is what I had pointed out. The camera functioned as it was intended to. That someone on the other end may not have seen what the camera was expected to show does not mean the camera malfunctioned or the transmission blocked. The camera transmitted a perfectly fine image of the cover in front of the lense. It operated exactly as it was supposed to.

Yeah. That's what I'm thinking too.

And I'm willing to bet that they are placed high enough that this is not EVEN a consideration.

Yeah, MOST are. In an astounding coincidence, the one we wanted is accessible...lol

Of course, considering that one of your posts in one of your threads suggested that your parents don't see anything wrong with this kind of asinine behavior, I'm not surprised. When you and your "cool" friends pull some stunt that actually gets you arrested, they will probably be here posting about the injustices of the legal system, about how "ALL he did was (fill in the blank), what's so bad about that" and wanting to know how to be sure their precious baby doesn't have to suffer any consequences.

I don't know which other post it is you're talking about, but it's amazing how many assumptions you can make from the little information I gave...

We survived another day...And I'm sure the office received a lot of "useful" information again...I walked past the principal today, he was sort of looking like he's starting to believe that he did do it...

 

[jchasex]

I've learned some things over this last week + in relation to all this.

a) Apparently school admin can't easily call a cell phone provider, look you up in the cell phone phone book, or just miraculously get the name of an account holder absent law enforcement being involved.
b) Doesn't appear to actually be any criminal investigation into sticking something over a camera lens for 5 mins - probably because it's not legally 'obstruction'.

Some of you were right about parts of this, others of you were making stuff up as you went I think. I collectively give you a C.

I think the principal has realized that he's 'made a thing' out of this whole 'event'. The numbers are gone from the website. He hauled a few people in for 'questioning' - though none of the right people. He isn't making any big threats. He made a big deal, he got LOADS of bad information, now he's pulling back. I think he realized he'd taken the wrong approach when the First Anniversary of the start of this was celebrated...lol....we didn't even have a hand involved in organizing that - I think that was when the principal realized he'd lost...lol

He might of course just be kicking back and waiting, I'm not changing my voicemail back to normal yet. But it seems that legally, we're pretty good.

 

[CdwJava]

All because the police do not appear to be involved does not mean they are not. And, even if they are not involved it does not mean that no crime was committed - only that they have not yet been told about it or it is an issue they have chosen not to pursue at this time.

Sadly, I think all this will have done is embolden juvenile behavior on your part and the part of your friends. Hopefully you will grow beyond the need to do such things in the future.