Unprofessional teacher conduct / Counselor incompotancy

[seagulheit]

Oh well... its not like we don't have a handful of actual educators and lawyers and very educated laypeople here that could help you.

I've explained the situation. Now where are they?

 

[Proserpina]

So I should allow someone (just by virtue of being older than I am) to spit in my face, rape me, beat me, steal from me, talk to me like a dog - whatever they please - and smile about it? I hate to be argumentative, but this seems wrong to me.

This reminds me of something. I have a friend - let's call him Mohammed - who immigrated here from Afghanistan. His parents there subjected him to grotesque punishments for the smallest infractions. He bears the scars resulting from his treatment today. Is this okay?
Would it have been better if they had only verbally abused him, and completely destroyed trust in adults that way?

Oh you didn't. Please tell me you didn't just type that.

This is the equivalent of Godwin's Law.

(Google it)

Not based on the facts present. All she knew was that I skipped the first half of class. She told other teachers that I decided to enjoy myself. Here is an exact reproduction of what a teacher told me she said:

"She thought it would be a fun idea to skip class."

Is that accurate to the truth of the situation? No. She did not give them the straight fact - she did not know the deeper part of the story, so she fabricated it. Is this morally right to you?







Again, opinions.

Where are the people who can supposedly answer the question?

I strongly encourage you to pay an attorney to tell you what you want to hear.

 

[Proserpina]

I've explained the situation. Now where are they?

Likely sitting back and rolling "their" eyes at your posts.

(Just a guess)

 

[seagulheit]

And I have one more question concerning the previous posts.

And I don't give a bean about this little uneducated snotball, so it's fine with me!

Why is it, by your rules, fine for him to call me 'snotball', yet for saying 'stupid', I am called out? Is one more wrong than the other in your book?

Not to mention the insults directed at me are plain illogical. I've been called 'uneducated' as if I'm supposed to have a degree by now, when I'm proceeding with my education as people normally do. Am I supposed to have a master's degree in my teens? Did any of you?

I just genuinely want to know the reason why the people on this forum have such animosity toward children and feel the need to verbally abuse them.

 

[jchasex]

Yeah seagulheit, most of the people who respond to posts here don't have the ability to engage in a sensible conversation with a high school student. They're too busy attempting to be clever and condescending.

If you hang around there's a couple of others who might show up with the ability to be helpful without being smart about it. If you have the patience...

 

[seagulheit]

Oh you didn't. Please tell me you didn't just type that.

This is the equivalent of Godwin's Law.

(Google it)

I know what Godwin's Law is.
Let's simplify the part of that post that was actually concerning me.

Should an adult, just by virtue of being older, talk to me like a dog? And with no intention of being helpful to me (in fact, harmful)? And should I smile in response?

I strongly encourage you to pay an attorney to tell you what you want to hear.

So no one on this forum is capable of giving me a straight answer to the question, rather than asserting their opinion, is essentially what you're saying. I understand now. Thank you.

I gave you details. And all I get are opinions and reasons why people still won't give me answers. So I can only come to the conclusion that none of you HAVE any. It doesn't have to be a flowery answer...just an answer. Either I can do something about it, or I can't.

What colleges did you 'educated' people all graduate from? Just curious.

 

[seagulheit]

Yeah seagulheit, most of the people who respond to posts here don't have the ability to engage in a sensible conversation with a high school student. They're too busy attempting to be clever and condescending.

If you hang around there's a couple of others who might show up with the ability to be helpful without being smart about it. If you have the patience...

Hopefully!

And it's insane how people are so wrapped up in my manners that they haven't addressed the FACT that my counselor is being paid to do a job...and isn't doing it. And her paycheck comes from the tax payers. It's a scam.

 

[Proserpina]

Sue the bad person for $1.3 million.

 

[seagulheit]

Sue the bad person for $1.3 million.

And this is the brilliant advice all this arguing comes down to. Still no logical, objective, and helpful answer is produced.

A pity for such highly educated, fully grown men and women like yourselves.
An answer backed by reason and fact, not feeling and speculation, leaves you tongue-tied.
Highly disappointing.


The fact that you all - who assert your advanced education and wise ages - have done nothing but argue with and put down a kid really says something. And it's not good.

If I encountered you all in real life and people were watching, I highly doubt you would have acted this way toward me. You probably would have shown more maturity, propriety, and restraint.

That's the internet for you.

 

[ecmst12]

Don't depend on other people to send in your college applications. The counselor actually has MANY duties that she is paid for, while you have just a few college applications to send in.

Don't skip class, even if you feel like you had a good reason. Or at least skip the whole thing instead of coming in halfway through and disrupting the lesson.

Don't take things that other people say about you that do NOT actually affect your life so personally. Your teacher's statement? Less than meaningless, in the grand scheme of things. THAT is the thing that annoys adults about teenagers, they act like EVERY LITTLE THING is the end of world and it's really not. You have no perspective. Get some.

When you are in high school, the teachers have all the power and you have none. Yep, it sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it, other than survive until it's over.

 

[seagulheit]

When I was a teacher, there was a guidance counselor in the school who was not only roaring incompetent, she refused to help students apply for any college she did not approve of, refused to send transcripts on some students because she told them they were "not college material." What these students had to do was be proactive, get their own stuff sent, take care of their own applications without assistance. Is she the only guidance counselor in this school? Is there not a teacher anywhere in the system who will say decent things about you in a recommendation? That may be telling. But can you get them in trouble, at your present age and stage in life? No.

Sorry, I missed your post earlier.

I said this at some point earlier, but my post was deleted: the colleges require my counselor to send a form of recommendation. I am going to have to send my own transcripts, apparently. But I cannot do her forms for her.

As I understand it, the people you get recommendations from must be YOUR teachers and YOUR counselor. It defeats the purpose of a recommendation for me to just go up to some random teacher I've never met. What basis would they recommend me on?

And could you please back up your answer? It may be true, but I'd like to know the reasoning behind it. Teachers have gotten fired for much less, so this seems incorrect. Please explain? But thank you for answering my question, I really appreciate it.

 

[seagulheit]

Don't depend on other people to send in your college applications. The counselor actually has MANY duties that she is paid for, while you have just a few college applications to send in.

Don't skip class, even if you feel like you had a good reason. Or at least skip the whole thing instead of coming in halfway through and disrupting the lesson.

Don't take things that other people say about you that do NOT actually affect your life so personally. Your teacher's statement? Less than meaningless, in the grand scheme of things. THAT is the thing that annoys adults about teenagers, they act like EVERY LITTLE THING is the end of world and it's really not. You have no perspective. Get some.

When you are in high school, the teachers have all the power and you have none. Yep, it sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it, other than survive until it's over.

True about my counselor's duties, but there are specific forms the college has asked her to fill out. Only she and she alone can do that. Unless you're telling me to forge her writing and signature or something, which I'm sure you aren't.

I agree with you through the rest except the last part. Assisted by a parent, a student can make a teacher's life hell. Personal experience: a student recorded something a teacher said (the teacher used a curse word with a student) and reported it to administration with a parent. That teacher was not seen again for a long time. What the teacher did was not violating any major law, but he was still punished for behaving inappropriately toward other peoples' children. As it should be.
This does not parallel with my situation, but I'd argue that *when a parent gets involved*, teachers can get in heaps of trouble for the words they use. Even if the emailing situation is arguable, my counselor's negligence is not.

 

[ecmst12]

Your parents may have power. Maybe. YOU do not. And parents who make teachers lives hell are scum, plain and simple.

When you are depending on someone else to do something for you, it's a good idea to be nice to them.

 

[jchasex]

. And parents who make teachers lives hell are scum, plain and simple.

You do realize that there are bad teachers out there, don't you? Just like in any profession.

 

[seagulheit]

Your parents may have power. Maybe. YOU do not. And parents who make teachers lives hell are scum, plain and simple.

When you are depending on someone else to do something for you, it's a good idea to be nice to them.

You're right. I'm with my grandmother right now, she can't do anything, and my parents won't be back until about the end of December. I did not want to let this sit for that long, but I guess I'll have to.

And about the parents...it depends if the teacher deserved it. Teachers are not holy, righteous beings who shall remain untouched by their infractions. I'm sorry, but neglecting or refusing to even fill out a form she *knows* is required by her student's college is not acceptable. I've asked her nicely how many times? Sometimes, nice doesn't work. I've tried and tried.

I have spoken to my parents about this and they are growing frustrated (especially with the counselor) too. They also agree that teachers should not behave in a way that undermines the student unnecessarily. Problem is, they aren't here. Yet.

But when they return, this WILL get straightened out. Until then, I'll just continue to put up with it, I guess. But I have no problem forcing people to do their WHOLE job, and to do it in an appropriate and cordial manner, when I can.

It seems that based on your reply, as well as those of others elsewhere, that I should wait until my parents return. So I will.

PROBLEM SOLVED.