"taking car without permisson"

[Just Blue]

Who jumps from "quit using it" to felony theft?

Well. That would be YOU. Do not take others thing, repeatedly, without permission.

 

[CdwJava]

Every time in the past, when he's gone "you can't have this or that" - he ACTUALLY took it away. If he just leaves the keys sitting around - that seems more like a request. There were times in the past when they've said "no car" and then they ACTUALLY took the keys away. How am I meant to know.

Because he said you were not supposed to take it.

Your attorney can certainly try to argue his past practices. Maybe it will work. Maybe it won't. Though I suspect that iof the matter is pursued by the DA it will result in a plea deal.

It'd been going alright so far...

You mean, until you got pinched for auto theft.

The part where he never actually did anything to stop me. Until he rings the cops.

"No" means "no." Only difference is that this time he called the cops.

Maybe next time you will understand that he means business no matter what happens in the legal arena.

I don't know it's some felony crime to use your parent's car that you use all the time anyway.

When you take it without permission it can be. Such matters are rarely prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but they can be.

You can get an appointed attorney, or your parents can pay for one. As I mentioned, it is most likely that this will either plea out or might even result in a diversion program whereby you tow the line completely or go to juvie.

Frankly, if you were my son I would have taken your license away if you were this much trouble and also grounded you so there would no cause to take the car.

 

[lm123]

Yeah, they put kids in juvenile diversion programs for jaywalking all the time.

All that happened was we were at this old abandoned industrial site that kids hang out at all the time. And the cops got annoyed because they said there was fresh graffitti so they hassled us about 'where'd you hide the spraypaint'. We didn't have anything to tell them and they got all irritated cos we weren't talking. So it's for trespassing.

Yeah, we're gangsta.

 

[CdwJava]

All that happened was we were at this old abandoned industrial site that kids hang out at all the time. And the cops got annoyed because they said there was fresh graffitti so they hassled us about 'where'd you hide the spraypaint'. We didn't have anything to tell them and they got all irritated cos we weren't talking. So it's for trespassing.

Yeah, we're gangsta.

It all has to start somewhere.

Couple the trespassing with disobeying your stepdad, and I suspect some added disrespectful acts, and you may well be on your way to some serious trouble one day.

 

[lm123]

Though I suspect that iof the matter is pursued by the DA it will result in a plea deal.

What would I plea too? I'm not pleaing to a felony....This is already 2nd degree and there's no 3rd. Would it be some other lower theft or something, not actually related to a car specificaly?
I don't think you can get diversion for felony.

Maybe next time you will understand that he means business no matter what happens in the legal arena.

Maybe he could be, I don't know, consistent or something. Or maybe warn me before calling in a felony.

Frankly, if you were my son I would have taken your license away if you were this much trouble and also grounded you so there would no cause to take the car.

I'm not that much trouble. This is way overboard.

 

[Zigner]

It all has to start somewhere.

Couple the trespassing with disobeying your stepdad, and I suspect some added disrespectful acts, and you may well be on your way to some serious trouble one day.

You mean serious trouble like felony auto theft charges?

 

[lm123]

What about this point? Does this change anything? :

He wasn't there at the time, my mom was and when I was leaving I yelled out (like I always do) "mom, I'm going out, I'm taking the car...mom, I'm going out...can you hear me?" and she said "yeah, I heard you, bye, be careful" (everything as usual).

And then she should have been able to hear me start the car from where she was. And she didn't chase me down the street.

She doesn't own the car at all, so I don't know if that matters.

 

[Zigner]

What about this point? Does this change anything? :

He wasn't there at the time, my mom was and when I was leaving I yelled out (like I always do) "mom, I'm going out, I'm taking the car...mom, I'm going out...can you hear me?" and she said "yeah, I heard you, bye, be careful" (everything as usual).

And then she should have been able to hear me start the car from where she was. And she didn't chase me down the street.

She doesn't own the car at all, so I don't know if that matters.

Right - so the OWNER of the car told you specifically not to take the car. Then, as you were leaving, you shouted out your intention to take the car (without permission.)

Sounds to me like your mom is an additional witness...against you.

 

[Just Blue]

You should consult your attorney. And lock your thread.

 

[lm123]

It all has to start somewhere.

It didn't have to start anywhere. Cops could have just thrown us out like they usually do to kids, but they threw their weight around about these phantom spraypaint cans we were meant to have.

 

[Zigner]

It didn't have to start anywhere. Cops could have just thrown us out like they usually do to kids, but they threw their weight around about these phantom spraypaint cans we were meant to have.

But, you were trespassing. Are you saying that you have the right to trespass? Really?