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Is there a statue of limitations on a lien?

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capellam44

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado
In 2009 my grandfather passed away willing me his estate. After a long probate process the land and home became mine in March of 2011. At that time I was aware of 2 liens placed by the city for a total of $750. The lien was placed on the property by the "City and County of Denver Community and Development"

It is only now that the house is in the middle of closing that I find there is over $8,000 worth of liens against the property. In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 liens each worth $999.00 After no response, the liens were sent over to "Machol & Johannes" law firm. To my knowledge no action has been taken from the lawyers to collect this amount. I was never notified of any liens when I took position of the property.

What I want to know is, can a law firm just sit on a case for so long that the statue of limitations runs out? Is there a statue of limitations on liens of this nature? Seeing as the lawyer never made any known attempt to find out the rightful owner and collect in a timely fashion, is there any action I have against the firm so they remove the interest and fees?
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado
In 2009 my grandfather passed away willing me his estate. After a long probate process the land and home became mine in March of 2011. At that time I was aware of 2 liens placed by the city for a total of $750. The lien was placed on the property by the "City and County of Denver Community and Development"

It is only now that the house is in the middle of closing that I find there is over $8,000 worth of liens against the property. In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 liens each worth $999.00 After no response, the liens were sent over to "Machol & Johannes" law firm. To my knowledge no action has been taken from the lawyers to collect this amount. I was never notified of any liens when I took position of the property.

What I want to know is, can a law firm just sit on a case for so long that the statue of limitations runs out? Is there a statue of limitations on liens of this nature? Seeing as the lawyer never made any known attempt to find out the rightful owner and collect in a timely fashion, is there any action I have against the firm so they remove the interest and fees?
Assuming the lien is otherwise valid, it will remain on the property until it is satisfied.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado
In 2009 my grandfather passed away willing me his estate. After a long probate process the land and home became mine in March of 2011. At that time I was aware of 2 liens placed by the city for a total of $750. The lien was placed on the property by the "City and County of Denver Community and Development"

It is only now that the house is in the middle of closing that I find there is over $8,000 worth of liens against the property. In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 liens each worth $999.00 After no response, the liens were sent over to "Machol & Johannes" law firm. To my knowledge no action has been taken from the lawyers to collect this amount. I was never notified of any liens when I took position of the property.

What I want to know is, can a law firm just sit on a case for so long that the statue of limitations runs out? Is there a statue of limitations on liens of this nature? Seeing as the lawyer never made any known attempt to find out the rightful owner and collect in a timely fashion, is there any action I have against the firm so they remove the interest and fees?

**A: what exactly are the liens for and were any amounts paid? If the liens are for payment of real property taxes etc. then you need to pay up.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
If neither you nor the PR ever bothered to order a title report, you would not necessarilly now about the liens. The liens are attached to the real estate and owed. Want clear title? Pay the liens off.

If these are municipal liens, they will probably eventually get placed on the tax bill, and you'd face TC FC if they remain unaddressed long enough.
 

capellam44

Junior Member
The paperwork that was sent to me by the city is unclear exactly what the liens were for. It just says that they are placing a lien on the property. They will be paid off soon as the house is up for sale and going through the actual closing at this time. My only hope would have been that the lawyers that have been sitting on it for so long could be penalized. My own thought process tells me that the lawyers were holding the liens only to rack up the bill. But I'm sure there could be another reason they did not seek legal action once they were handed the case. Thanks for the advice
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
The paperwork that was sent to me by the city is unclear exactly what the liens were for. It just says that they are placing a lien on the property. They will be paid off soon as the house is up for sale and going through the actual closing at this time. My only hope would have been that the lawyers that have been sitting on it for so long could be penalized. My own thought process tells me that the lawyers were holding the liens only to rack up the bill. But I'm sure there could be another reason they did not seek legal action once they were handed the case. Thanks for the advice
The beauty of a lien is that you can place it on the property and then simply wait until the property is sold. What you see as "hope" is actually exactly how the process is supposed to work.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
The paperwork that was sent to me by the city is unclear exactly what the liens were for. It just says that they are placing a lien on the property. They will be paid off soon as the house is up for sale and going through the actual closing at this time. My only hope would have been that the lawyers that have been sitting on it for so long could be penalized. My own thought process tells me that the lawyers were holding the liens only to rack up the bill. But I'm sure there could be another reason they did not seek legal action once they were handed the case. Thanks for the advice
They were holding the liens because: nobody paid them off yet. You have no right to be indignant that a creditor is finally getting paid off. That is what is supposed to eventually happen when a lien is filed. "Sitting on it????? If neither you, the decedent or the estate paid them off, what choice did they hacve?
 

latigo

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado
In 2009 my grandfather passed away willing me his estate. After a long probate process the land and home became mine in March of 2011. At that time I was aware of 2 liens placed by the city for a total of $750. The lien was placed on the property by the "City and County of Denver Community and Development"

It is only now that the house is in the middle of closing that I find there is over $8,000 worth of liens against the property. In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 liens each worth $999.00 After no response, the liens were sent over to "Machol & Johannes" law firm. To my knowledge no action has been taken from the lawyers to collect this amount. I was never notified of any liens when I took position of the property.

What I want to know is, can a law firm just sit on a case for so long that the statue of limitations runs out? Is there a statue of limitations on liens of this nature? Seeing as the lawyer never made any known attempt to find out the rightful owner and collect in a timely fashion, is there any action I have against the firm so they remove the interest and fees?
The paperwork that was sent to me by the city is unclear exactly what the liens were for. It just says that they are placing a lien on the property. They will be paid off soon as the house is up for sale and going through the actual closing at this time. My only hope would have been that the lawyers that have been sitting on it for so long could be penalized. My own thought process tells me that the lawyers were holding the liens only to rack up the bill. But I'm sure there could be another reason they did not seek legal action once they were handed the case. Thanks for the advice
You write that at the time the property was distributed to you in March 2011 you were aware of 2 liens placed by the “City and County of Denver Community and Development" totally $750.

Now that you have a buyer and are in the process of closing you suddenly discover that in early 2008 the “city” placed 4 liens of $999 each. And that current balance of all outstanding comes to $8000.

Since all of the liens mentioned predate your inheritance, I don’t suppose it is important to know why in March 2011 you were aware of only 2 of the 6 liens. Nor do I understand why you wrote:

I was never notified of any liens when I took position of the property.
But let’s talk about the last 4 of $999 each where you write:

In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 liens each worth $999.00 After no response, the liens were sent over to "Machol & Johannes" law firm. To my knowledge no action has been taken from the lawyers to collect this amount.
Again I don’t see any significance to it, but what consequence do you place in, "the liens were sent over to Machol & Johannes law firm”. For what purpose were the liens “sent over” and how do you know?

In other words, you are claiming that you have been damaged because the law firm failed to take timely action in collecting those lien balances. Apparently at a time when the principal and accrued would have been less than the present amount owed.

So my question to you is, assuming for the sake of discussion that you would have a legitimate cause of action against the law firm, what proof do you have that the attorneys were under continuing instructions to proceed to enforce those liens on behalf of the lien holders.

Also, have you given any consideration to the consequences that would have resulted had the lien holder(s) elected to foreclose those liens?

I’ll tell you what those consequences would have been.

The property would have been notice up for sale by the sheriff at a public auction. The only bidders showing up would be the vultures who scan those sheriff notices every day looking for property to steal. And it would have sold for dimes rather than dollars.

And it just might be that the City opted not to put your aging grandpa out on the street and was content to wait until you came along and decided to sell it.

___________________

Now getting back to the underhanded lawyers. Remember that I specifically qualified my hypothetical by saying if you did have a cause of action against the law firm.

But you do not have any grounds upon which to base a cause of action against them or their lien holding clients. In the first place there was no attorney client relationship.

Secondly, to say that you could sue the city’s attorney for not timely enforcing their client's claims is a ludicrous as saying you could sue the city for the same thing.

Or that a debtor would have a counterclaim against his or her creditor because the creditor sat on the account receivable allowing interest to accumulate.

Be thankful for lands’ sake. A free bird’s nest has dropped in your lap. But you only get to keep as much of it as grandpa actually owned.
 
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latigo

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Colorado In 2009 my grandfather passed away willing me his estate. . . the land and home became mine in March of 2011. . . . 2 liens (were) placed by "City and County of Denver Community and Development" . . . In the spring of 2008 the city placed 4 (additional) liens . . . . . Is there a statue of limitations on liens of this nature?
No, there is no limitation as to when such improvement district liens can be enforced. They are authorized by statutes which provide in part:

The assessment together with all interest thereon and penalties for default shall constitute . . . . a perpetual lien in the several amounts assessed against each lot or tract of land and shall have priority over all other liens except general tax liens. Colorado Revised Statutes Section 31-25-522 Assessment of Lien Filing with County Clerk and Recorder
 

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