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Dad dying of cancer...mom in nursing home for over 10yrs

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tmurnane

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? MA. My father will most likely pass this week from cancer at home. My mother has been in a nursing home being paid by Medicaid for the past 10yrs. Will the state put a lien on the home when my father passes? I also have a handicapped brother that has been living with my dad for the past 6yrs. The home has been paid off for some time. About a month ago, my father had my mothers name removed from the title...I told him I do not think that matters because the state goes back 5yrs. Will the state put a lien on the property? Will they take all the moneys from the sale of the home if we were to try and sell it? Should we just let my brother continue to stay in the home? The house is not worth a whole lot and my dad has no other money, he was living off his pension and ss.
Thanks or any advice...
 


CSO286

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? MA. My father will most likely pass this week from cancer at home. My mother has been in a nursing home being paid by Medicaid for the past 10yrs. Will the state put a lien on the home when my father passes? I also have a handicapped brother that has been living with my dad for the past 6yrs. The home has been paid off for some time. About a month ago, my father had my mothers name removed from the title...I told him I do not think that matters because the state goes back 5yrs. Will the state put a lien on the property? Will they take all the moneys from the sale of the home if we were to try and sell it? Should we just let my brother continue to stay in the home? The house is not worth a whole lot and my dad has no other money, he was living off his pension and ss.
Thanks or any advice...
I would expect that they will. Given that Mom is dependent on state aid and your father was in the community, the state would not attempt to seize and then sell the home until the community spouse either entered long term care or passed away. Once either of those occurs, the state will attempt to recover from your parents' assets or estate some of the costs they expended providing for your mother.

You are correct about the lookback period. Removing Mom's name from the marital home could be seen as an attempt to hide potentially recoverable assets from the state, which could result in her disqualification for Medicaid for a period of time.

(Usually up to the amount of the value of the asset. EX: $75000 home could result in DQ for up to $75K in care.)
 

tmurnane

Junior Member
Good point about my brother - he is also on Medicaid. I'm a little confused when you say "the state would not attempt to seize and then sell the home until the community spouse either entered long term care or passed away." My mom is and has been in Long term care. Wouldn't they have put the lien on the home right away? Or does it happen when my father passes?

I have several brothers and we really don't care what happens with the house - we just don't want to put any money into fixing it up to sell it if the state is going to put a lien on it.

Thank you very much for the advice.
 

CSO286

Senior Member
Good point about my brother - he is also on Medicaid. I'm a little confused when you say "the state would not attempt to seize and then sell the home until the community spouse either entered long term care or passed away." My mom is and has been in Long term care. Wouldn't they have put the lien on the home right away? Or does it happen when my father passes?

I have several brothers and we really don't care what happens with the house - we just don't want to put any money into fixing it up to sell it if the state is going to put a lien on it.

Thank you very much for the advice.
The state isn't going to require the liquidation of the marital home as long as one spouse still has need of it. However, once the community spouse (in your case, Dad) passed away, the home should be sold and the proceeds would go to the state to offeset some of the costs of your mother's care.

And since, I didn't say it before, I am sorry for everything you are going through.
 
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tmurnane

Junior Member
Sure, I guess we are just not sure who or when does someone from the state will contact us with what must be done. If there is no lien on the home at point of sale - should we just bank the money until they ask for it? Or will the state put a lien on the property up the death of my father?
 

CSO286

Senior Member
Sure, I guess we are just not sure who or when does someone from the state will contact us with what must be done. If there is no lien on the home at point of sale - should we just bank the money until they ask for it? Or will the state put a lien on the property up the death of my father?
If your mom is on medicaid, and everyone was honest and aboveboard when applying for these benefits, then I would expect that the caseworker is aware that she owns or did own property during the lookback period.

The best thing for you to do? Call the caseworker now or when your father does pass away, to make sure your i's are dotted and t's crossed.
 

CSO286

Senior Member
I will talk with the caseworker. Thank you very much for the advice.
Anytime.

Again, you have my sympathies....It can be very difficult to deal with a dying parent and still have to worry about "The business side" of life.
 

commentator

Senior Member
Given the unique situation you describe here, I believe you need when your father passes, to obtain the advice of an attorney well versed in the medicaid laws of your state and get their help to settle his estate. While the spouse has a life estate on a house before medicaid puts a lien on it, and when they pass away Medicaid might want to call in this asset, and while there is a five year look back on all tranferred assets, and all those general truths about how medicaid for nursing home care works, there seem to be some unusual variables in the situation here. You folks need to get some really good advice on this. According to what it used to be in my memory, medicaid could not take a home if there was a handicapped child, a blind or totally disabled person whose residence it was, say if the medicaid recipient had a disabled adult child living there. And in this case, as you say, the child is a medicaid recipient too.

And what your father did, transferring the title out of her name...it may have been okay. Hard to say. In some states, it would've been the thing to do.That's why I'm suggesting you consult a professional to look at this individual cases and work it out with the medicaid system. It's not 100% certain that right now they're going to re-look at the situation and take back mother's eligibility because of that real estate transfer...that would be very unproductive for the facility she's in to get their money, which is the entire goal of this whole program anyhow.

It doesn't matter whether anyone was "totally honest" when declaring the mother's assets for Medicaid purposes. Because they have access to all sorts or records, including real estate transfers. No one believes that people applying for assistance would be totally honest, so everything you can imagine cross checks and matches with all sorts of records. You have to have your mother recertified periodically, and this whole issue, her spouse dying, is going to come up promptly anyhow. It makes absolutely no sense to just try to postpone the issue until they come after you.

When he dies, do not be stupid. Probate the estate, get good legal advice. Do this right. It will pay off in the long run. I have seen a case where both spouses who owned the house were on Medicaid, in a care facility, and the disabled adult child got to stay in the house until HE passed away some years later without it being taken by the program. Then it was sold and the profits went to the heirs. Medicaid never got any money back for that particular house.
 

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