Nurse Gave Vaccine Without Asking

[TheGeekess]

I have never heard of a hospital requiring the patient to sign a permission form each time they administer medication. If OP's friend has it in the records they held him down, put a straight jacket on him, then gagged him, before administering the shot, he might have a case.

That would entirely depend on the circumstances.

 

[betachains]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California.

My friend had acute pneumonia last year. When he was in the hospital a nurse came and gave him the flue vaccine without even asking or telling him what it was, until my friend had asked about it. But it was too late. The needle was already in his arm. The flue vaccine is very dangerous and alters DNA and the immune system. Do research about on Youtube and the Internet. This nurse never even asked him if he wanted it or not. I believe he has a serious law suit against that hospital. Please, only lawyers and people who know what they are talking about need reply. I do not care about the subjective opinions of anyone else.

Your friend has no case. Period.

I would be interested to hear about his approaches to lawyers about a lawsuit. "Quickly ushered out of the office, followed by guffaws behind the closed doors" should be 92% of the responses.

 

[zealot777]

Oh for the love of god, give it up already! This isn't even your business and you are full of misinformation and lies about the flu shot. If your friend had picked up the flu virus while sick with pneumonia, which is quite likely since his immune system was weakened and he was in a building full of sick people, it could have killed him.

I also do not believe for a second that a nurse would give a patient an injection without first explaining exactly what it was and why. It's an essential part of the job. And you were not there, so you do not know what really happened.

He did NOT have the Flue. Nor did he contract it when he was there. He went there specifically to be treated for Pneumonia. I have not lied about the Flue shot. If you want to debate this you will lose. Entire countries have banned it for a reason. Check up on it. Do your own independent research and thin for yourself.

 

[zealot777]

He did NOT have the Flue. Nor did he contract it when he was there. He went there specifically to be treated for Pneumonia. I have not lied about the Flue shot. If you want to debate this you will lose. Entire countries have banned it for a reason. Check up on it. Do your own independent research and thin for yourself.

"Think" for yourself.

 

[Proserpina]

"Think" for yourself.

You might want to try that yourself sometime.

(Hint: Try reading about the bans. It'll clue you in, big time. )

 

[Proserpina]

If OP's friend has it in the records they held him down, put a straight jacket on him, then gagged him, before administering the shot, he might have a case.

I thought you had to pay extra for those types of services?

Heck, there are websites for that stuff

 

[betachains]

Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute. The vaccine DOES alter the immune system in that it introduces something to it in order for it to create crucial antibodies to defend against the virus. That's the whole point of a vaccine - to do just that.

So it DOES alter the DNA and immune system, but not in the dangerous manner that OP seems to think it does.

However, in all fairness, vaccines aren't for everyone. There are those liberals out there who refuse to vaccinate their own children against childhood diseases out of fear that they will die a horrible death from the mercury or other materials that the vaccines are made with. And unfortunately, the law does allow for parents to refuse to vaccinate their children for certain reasons, as does it allow for us adults to refuse medical treatment that we don't want or agree with.

I'm just not convinced that the "friend" wasn't properly informed of what the shot was for before it landed in their arm. Medical professionals usually aren't willing to force medical treatment upon a patient on someone and then risk an assault charge or medical malpractice lawsuit for something like that unless it's a medical necessity and the person is going to die IMMEDIATELY without getting that particular treatment.

Vaccines don't alter DNA. They don't act against foreign DNA either. That's not how the immune system works.

Patients in hospital get pills and shots and blood tests all the time without their detailed knowledge of the intervention. They are not overtly "forced" into anything, but the hospital culture is that the patient meekly goes along. In the OP case, the attending doc prob. ordered a flu shot (perfectly legit) without discussing it with the patient, and the nurse gave it.

The hospital staff will engage you in long, detailed discussions about chemo, or mastectomy, or a liver transplant. They won't do it for a flu-shot (in hospital) or something for your nausea. That's just the way it is.

 

[barry1817]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California.

My friend had acute pneumonia last year. When he was in the hospital a nurse came and gave him the flue vaccine without even asking or telling him what it was, until my friend had asked about it. But it was too late. The needle was already in his arm. The flue vaccine is very dangerous and alters DNA and the immune system. Do research about on Youtube and the Internet. This nurse never even asked him if he wanted it or not. I believe he has a serious law suit against that hospital. Please, only lawyers and people who know what they are talking about need reply. I do not care about the subjective opinions of anyone else.

for a malpractice lawsuit to go forward you must show:

Negligence
that the negligence caused harm
That there is financial damages incurred.

Do you have negligence. That would be dependent on what he signed as informed consent
was there harm done, doesn't seem to be from what you posted
did he have financial damages as a result of this negligence. again doesn't seem so.


If I were to be called to review, based on what you have posted, I would advise not to take this case.

 

[Proserpina]

Vaccines don't alter DNA.

Patients in hospital get pills and shots and blood tests all the time without their detailed knowledge of the intervention. They are not overtly "forced" into anything, but the hospital culture is that the patient meekly goes along. In the OP case, the attending doc prob. ordered a flu shot (perfectly legit) without discussing it with the patient, and the nurse gave it.

The hospital staff will engage you in long, detailed discussions about chemo, or mastectomy, or a liver transplant. They won't do it for a flu-shot (in hospital) or something for your nausea. That's just the way it is.

And added to this, if the patient actually bothers to ask and then states they do NOT wish to receive the offered treatment, they're fully entitled to do so (competency issues notwithstanding).


But as you, I and everyone else here knows most patients don't think to ask.

Heck - I won't even let the vampires do a stick without knowing what's on the lab order.

 

[justalayman]

He did NOT have the Flue. Nor did he contract it when he was there. He went there specifically to be treated for Pneumonia. I have not lied about the Flue shot. If you want to debate this you will lose. Entire countries have banned it for a reason. Check up on it. Do your own independent research and thin for yourself.

so, post up some info. More than welcome to look at a different perspective. If you can show where it alters a persons DNA, I would be thrilled to see that.

they gave him the shot so he wouldn't get the flu. Especially since he had pneumonia, his respiratory system is already compromised. The last thing they want him to get is another respiratory infection.

 

[Banned_Princess]

I have used the ER quite a bit, and I would have to say that they always told me the treatment they were about to, or will use before just sticking me with a needle, and I wouldn't let them take out a needle that I didn't know what was in it long before she was at me and While I have been there as third party, and again, I always hear them telling the patient what is going on. short of blackout and you cant consent to them saving your life.

 

[CSO286]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California.

My friend had acute pneumonia last year. When he was in the hospital a nurse came and gave him the flue vaccine without even asking or telling him what it was, until my friend had asked about it. But it was too late. The needle was already in his arm. The flue vaccine is very dangerous and alters DNA and the immune system. Do research about on Youtube and the Internet. This nurse never even asked him if he wanted it or not. I believe he has a serious law suit against that hospital. Please, only lawyers and people who know what they are talking about need reply. I do not care about the subjective opinions of anyone else.

So having worked in the health care industry for years I can honestly say that the flu vaccine does not alter DNA, is only "dangerous" to those people who are allergic to the serum components and it aids the immune system ability to help the body stay healthy.

You, my friend, need to come to the front desk and pick up this lovely tin-foil hat I believe you dropped. Someone wasw kind enough to turn it in for you.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

"Think" for yourself.

I would rather thin for myself. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work to well.

 

[ecmst12]

Yes, of course he did not contract the flu while he was in the hospital, because he was VACCINATED. But because of the pneumonia weakening his immune system, prior to vaccination he was more susceptible to it, and being in the hospital he could have been exposed to it there. And if he HAD contracted it on top of the pneumonia, it would have been a potentially FATAL combination. People die from the flu all the time when they are elderly, or very young, or have comorbid pulmonary conditions! So the flu shot was necessary and appropriate treatment. These days, it's ordered for any at-risk patient that comes into the hospital during flu season.

When he was admitted to the hospital, he signed consent forms to be treated there, which would have covered the flu shot and all the other treatment that the doctor deemed appropriate, except for procedures which require separate consents like (non-emergency) surgery, so there would not be any battery tort unless the patient verbally told the nurse he did not want the shot before he got it and she gave it anyway. Which again, would not happen, every time I've seen a patient refuse to take a med, the nurse has been MORE than happy to click "patient refused" on the computer and move along to the next room. And even if the nurse had come into the room with the needle and not immediately said what it was, your friend would have asked about it before she got anywhere near him with it, because patients don't like needles. So your friend is not telling you the truth or he is misremembering the details.

By the way, "Youtube and the internet" is not RESEARCH. Read some reputable medical journal articles about the flu shot, with actual scientific studies and evidence. Then read some medical journal articles about the flu itself and what it can do to a person with a compromised respiratory system. And try using your BRAIN instead of allowing yourself to be emotionally affected by alarmist pseudoscience on Youtube.

 

[Mass_Shyster]

Please, only lawyers and people who know what they are talking about need reply. I do not care about the subjective opinions of anyone else.

Too bad you didn't try to qualify your flu-shot research the same way.

Tell your friend to contact an attorney.