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How best to proceed ina Dissolution of Marriage case Where there is no Valid Marriage

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rfabiano1

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

Okay, yes I am already familiar with Palimony, after all I live in the state where it all started. I am a student of the law, so this question is more for the advanced. Quick synopsis as this is a real case involving my sister.

Quick Facts
Prenuptial Agreement and Cohabitation agreement exists which precludes either from getting spousal support, it was well written so Im not really all that concerned about its inforceability since it was witnessed etc.

There was an application for Marriage between the two parties however, there is no witness, no soleminization, nada. California has no record of them ever being married.

They have held themselves out as husband and wife.

It was discovered that Husband is in fact an illegal alien and his only purpose of marriage was to gain citizenship. He has two past failed marriages which he lied on application about, (yes I am familiar with the case precedent in Dougles V Dougles as well as the Marriage of Meager... In addition he concealed the fact that he had two separate Domestic Violence Restraining orders against himself, My sister currently has filed a restraining order against him for indeed domestic violence.

Currently, they have no children, no comingled property, no property whatsoever together. However, my sister has an inheritance which she uses as monthly income, it was gained before even meeting the husband or whatever we want to call him.

He filed as a petitioner to dissolve the marriage asking for 4000 grand in support and 50% of all property which is not his and precluded in prenupt

a response is now needed, but the question is should i move to annul, enforce the prenuptial which precludes him from getting anything, or response with a motion for summary judgement or dismissal... I am very confused and I havent been able to find any case precedent. Obviously, he entered the contract with unclean hands but it goes both ways. Should I demurr all facts and move for dismissal on standing or should I contend he has standing and move to enforce the prenupt?


Please no "get a lawyer" I know this, which is why I am trying to do all the legal case research and pleadings to get a lawyer merely to appear on a limited scope basis. Whats the best thing to do?
 
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Silverplum

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

Okay, yes I am already familiar with Palimony, after all I live in the state where it all started. I am a student of the law, so this question is more for the advanced. Quick synopsis as this is a real case involving my sister.

Quick Facts
Prenuptial Agreement and Cohabitation agreement exists which precludes either from getting spousal support, it was well written so Im not really all that concerned about its inforceability since it was witnessed etc.

There was an application for Marriage between the two parties however, there is no witness, no soleminization, nada. California has no record of them ever being married.

They have held themselves out as husband and wife.

It was discovered that Husband is in fact an illegal alien and his only purpose of marriage was to gain citizenship. He has two past failed marriages which he lied on application about, (yes I am familiar with the case precedent in Dougles V Dougles as well as the Marriage of Meager... In addition he concealed the fact that he had two separate Domestic Violence Restraining orders against himself, My sister currently has filed a restraining order against him for indeed domestic violence.

Currently, they have no children, no comingled property, no property whatsoever together. However, my sister has an inheritance which she uses as monthly income, it was gained before even meeting the husband or whatever we want to call him.

He filed as a petitioner to dissolve the marriage

a response is now needed, but the question is should i move to annul, enforce the prenuptial which precludes him from getting anything, or response with a motion for summary judgement or dismissal... I am very confused and I havent been able to find any case precedent. Obviously, he entered the contract with unclean hands but it goes both ways. Should I demurr all facts and move for dismissal on standing or should I contend he has standing and move to enforce the prenupt?


Please no "get a lawyer" I know this, which is why I am trying to do all the legal case research and pleadings to get a lawyer merely to appear on a limited scope basis. Whats the best thing to do?
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/labor_law/meetings/2009/2009_dll_mwo.authcheckdam.pdf
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

Okay, yes I am already familiar with Palimony, after all I live in the state where it all started. I am a student of the law, so this question is more for the advanced. Quick synopsis as this is a real case involving my sister.

Quick Facts
Prenuptial Agreement and Cohabitation agreement exists which precludes either from getting spousal support, it was well written so Im not really all that concerned about its inforceability since it was witnessed etc.

There was an application for Marriage between the two parties however, there is no witness, no soleminization, nada. California has no record of them ever being married.

They have held themselves out as husband and wife.

It was discovered that Husband is in fact an illegal alien and his only purpose of marriage was to gain citizenship. He has two past failed marriages which he lied on application about, (yes I am familiar with the case precedent in Dougles V Dougles as well as the Marriage of Meager... In addition he concealed the fact that he had two separate Domestic Violence Restraining orders against himself, My sister currently has filed a restraining order against him for indeed domestic violence.

Currently, they have no children, no comingled property, no property whatsoever together. However, my sister has an inheritance which she uses as monthly income, it was gained before even meeting the husband or whatever we want to call him.

He filed as a petitioner to dissolve the marriage asking for 4000 grand in support and 50% of all property which is not his and precluded in prenupt

a response is now needed, but the question is should i move to annul, enforce the prenuptial which precludes him from getting anything, or response with a motion for summary judgement or dismissal... I am very confused and I havent been able to find any case precedent. Obviously, he entered the contract with unclean hands but it goes both ways. Should I demurr all facts and move for dismissal on standing or should I contend he has standing and move to enforce the prenupt?


Please no "get a lawyer" I know this, which is why I am trying to do all the legal case research and pleadings to get a lawyer merely to appear on a limited scope basis. Whats the best thing to do?
If you file anything, please realize that you will never practice law because you will be engaging in unethical behavior. Your sister needs to file everything and take care of her case herself. You are looking at never becoming an attorney. Which would most likely be a good thing for the profession if you want to cut corners like this. Have your sister get a lawyer.
 

rfabiano1

Junior Member
In response, I am not practicing law, I am merely researching the law in which to aid my sister. Obviously, I am not representing her in court. I am quite familiar with unethical practices. If it makes the legal minds happier lets say this case is hypothetical.

No there was no sponsoring because she was unaware his citizenship was not indeed valid. Also, both believed they were married but no paper work ever established the defacto marriage. Indeed there is none. However, there is a dissolution filed but there is nothing to dissolve. In addition there was a prenup and cohabitation agreement signed prior to the marriage in theater. What would you hypothetically do...?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
In response, I am not practicing law, I am merely researching the law in which to aid my sister. Obviously, I am not representing her in court. I am quite familiar with unethical practices. If it makes the legal minds happier lets say this case is hypothetical.

No there was no sponsoring because she was unaware his citizenship was not indeed valid. Also, both believed they were married but no paper work ever established the defacto marriage. Indeed there is none. However, there is a dissolution filed but there is nothing to dissolve. In addition there was a prenup and cohabitation agreement signed prior to the marriage in theater. What would you hypothetically do...?
I would advise your sister to consult with an actual attorney, whether she ended up retaining one or not, because its a complex situation that could go horribly wrong without valid legal advice.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
In response, I am not practicing law, I am merely researching the law in which to aid my sister. Obviously, I am not representing her in court. I am quite familiar with unethical practices. If it makes the legal minds happier lets say this case is hypothetical.

No there was no sponsoring because she was unaware his citizenship was not indeed valid. Also, both believed they were married but no paper work ever established the defacto marriage. Indeed there is none. However, there is a dissolution filed but there is nothing to dissolve. In addition there was a prenup and cohabitation agreement signed prior to the marriage in theater. What would you hypothetically do...?
You are if you are writing her pleadings and filing for them. And saying the case is hypothetical -- well let's just say you are unethical. How about that? Google putative spouse. Did they file taxes as married?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
You are if you are writing her pleadings and filing for them. And saying the case is hypothetical -- well let's just say you are unethical. How about that? Google putative spouse. Did they file taxes as married?
CA is not one of the states that still recognizes common law marriage. Those states are: Alabama, Colorado, Kansas, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Iowa, Montana, Utah and Texas.

Therefore filing a joint tax return in CA isn't going to contribute to common law status, although it might cause them other problems. If there is no marriage license, there is no putative marriage...and if there was, there is still the whole "voidable" issue as well as the prenup issues. This one REALLY needs a consult with a real attorney....not a law student.
 

rfabiano1

Junior Member
contacted an old buddy who is attorney

contact my friend is a family law attorney for 10 years and he said that Im right in my assertions a this is a complex case and b my unclean hands assertion is interesting. Which for a third year law student is great to hear. Putative does not apply in this case. Really neither does marvin. Facts are simple. Not married which judge will affirm that they both believed they were. Marriage by judgement. The Prenupt will then attach and case is over. Even so the other avenue is civil which contract law will take precedence and a prenupt is just that.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
contact my friend is a family law attorney for 10 years and he said that Im right in my assertions a this is a complex case and b my unclean hands assertion is interesting. Which for a third year law student is great to hear. Putative does not apply in this case. Really neither does marvin. Facts are simple. Not married which judge will affirm that they both believed they were. Marriage by judgement. The Prenupt will then attach and case is over. Even so the other avenue is civil which contract law will take precedence and a prenupt is just that.

I apologize in advance but ... why are you here exactly?
 

TigerD

Senior Member
Which for a third year law student is great to hear.
lol ... not many law students in their third year refer to themselves as a "third year law student."

Or seek assistance in their legal issue from anonymous posters on an internet forum...


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