Going for temp custody?

[stealth2]

Yes there is a child support order. I was set in January of 2011. My ex is on every kind of state assistance you can think of. I pay 179 a month in child support. I know it isn't a lot. But all but 30 of it goes right to the state of Michigan. I make pretty good money. If they do review my child support it will most definitely get raised. I'm making at one job what I used to make at two. FOC never took my second income into consideration because I worked for cash and couldn't prove it. Plus my wife is a professional as well and make a good living. And she's amazingly frugal lol

All I could do when I read this was <spit>.

 

[Proserpina]

(I just want to thank gam most sincerely for posting such incredibly useful and helpful advice - again! )

 

[gam]

Ok so my court order says this: "Effective January 4 and every other weekend thereafter, Father shall have parenting time from 6 p.m. Friday to 6 p.m. Sunday."
"Father shall provide round trip transportation to and from Mother's home for his parenting time."

Thats all it says about time or pick up drop off.

Could I get a record of her being evicted from her parents home?

Go back and read that part out of your FOC Bay County handbook, if you don't return the child it tells exactly what mom can do. If you don't believe mom is living there right now, then you need to take that issue to court. You can't take this into your own hands and not follow the order, you need to file in court and have them make a decision.

Yes there is a child support order. I was set in January of 2011. My ex is on every kind of state assistance you can think of. I pay 179 a month in child support. I know it isn't a lot. But all but 30 of it goes right to the state of Michigan. I make pretty good money. If they do review my child support it will most definitely get raised. I'm making at one job what I used to make at two. FOC never took my second income into consideration because I worked for cash and couldn't prove it. Plus my wife is a professional as well and make a good living. And she's amazingly frugal lol

Same link I used previously for the Bay County FOC handbook
http://www.baycounty-mi.gov/Docs/FoC/FOChandbook2013.pdf

Each party has the responsibility to:
 Provide the following information in writing to every Friend of the Court office that is administering a case involving that party:
Current employer�s (or other source of income) name, address, and telephone number.
Current information regarding health care coverage that is available to either party as a benefit of employment, or that either party purchases directly from an insurer.

You did do both of these right? You do understand that you can be ordered to carry medical insurance on the child if available through your employer. You also understand that you will be ordered to pay your portion for uncovered medical and childcare. They can go after you from the time you changed your employment and increased your wages because of the state assistance involved, and you could owe back support for that increase in your wages. $179 does not cover all the state assistance your ex is receiving, and since you failed to notify the court, you could have to go back and pay more of your share for that state assistance your ex is receiving.

How in the heck do you expect your ex to provide a roof, food, clothing and all of that for your child on that little bit you share with your child? I think to begin with your BS'ing on how much assistance your ex is getting, as she was working, and that is real fast for her to be receiving all this assistance. She could also get section 8 housing, how come she is not getting that if she is receiving every kind of state assistance?

 

[stealth2]

If Mom has half a brain, she will file for an upward mod in CS. No wonder she needs public assistance.

 

[Proserpina]

If Mom has half a brain, she will file for an upward mod in CS. No wonder she needs public assistance.

Pretty repugnant, isn't it?

 

[gam]

If Mom has half a brain, she will file for an upward mod in CS. No wonder she needs public assistance.

I so hope she does or that the state catches up with him, because they can and will have FOC file and he could have to go back and pay from the time he changed his employment. I've seen that just happen to some dad at work, it took them over a year to catch up, but they did and went after dad from the time his employment changed. Now between what dad pays in child support, and what dad owes in back CS to the state, dad can no longer afford a roof over his own head. Tables turned, by the time court caught up with dad, mom was no longer in her jam, off state assistance, working and no longer homeless.

 

[milmom]

I so hope she does or that the state catches up with him, because they can and will have FOC file and he could have to go back and pay from the time he changed his employment. I've seen that just happen to some dad at work, it took them over a year to catch up, but they did and went after dad from the time his employment changed. Now between what dad pays in child support, and what dad owes in back CS to the state, dad can no longer afford a roof over his own head. Tables turned, by the time court caught up with dad, mom was no longer in her jam, off state assistance, working and no longer homeless.

Also, to add... My support mod took 9+ months in Bay County because they are so back logged, so that could add even more time to increase the back pay/lump sum.

 

[stealth2]

What gets me is that this "person" is using his kid as a pawn. That is unforgivable.

 

[gam]

Also, to add... My support mod took 9+ months in Bay County because they are so back logged, so that could add even more time to increase the back pay/lump sum.

My one daughter just finished up on CS, and that back pay to date of filing, is a heck of a sum. Know what else they do? They send out letters, giving one 21 days to pay that all back or they notify the credit bureau's. Her CS hearing was in Jan, in April they sent him the letter to pay it all, his 21 days has passed and a new letter went out that they are notifying the credit bureau's. They also add monthly fees onto that back support. They also will require monthly arrears to be paid along with the regular CS, and if you push when they have a decent income, you can get that monthly arrears up a bit. You can also push to get them to pay some of it in a lump sum, he was ordered to pay every year in Jan a lump sum of $1000. They also told him if he is still in arrears next Dec, they will go after his tax return money. Unlike the poster of this thread, her case does not involve state assistance money, and yet the system still does it's job and enforces regular orders to.

Now her court is a fast moving court and they do things according to the rules concerning CS and arrears. All county's are suppose to be following this now, they are all online with the state computer system, so when a crap or slow county is not doing their job, you can push them into it. You have the right for them to do their job and you the right to file grievances when they don't. It's what my Niece has to do to get her slow moving, small crap FOC to do.

Just some FYI info for any Mi posters who want their FOC to enforce their CS order the way it should be done.

 

[trnoon]

Go back and read that part out of your FOC Bay County handbook, if you don't return the child it tells exactly what mom can do. If you don't believe mom is living there right now, then you need to take that issue to court. You can't take this into your own hands and not follow the order, you need to file in court and have them make a decision.



Same link I used previously for the Bay County FOC handbook
http://www.baycounty-mi.gov/Docs/FoC/FOChandbook2013.pdf



You did do both of these right? You do understand that you can be ordered to carry medical insurance on the child if available through your employer. You also understand that you will be ordered to pay your portion for uncovered medical and childcare. They can go after you from the time you changed your employment and increased your wages because of the state assistance involved, and you could owe back support for that increase in your wages. $179 does not cover all the state assistance your ex is receiving, and since you failed to notify the court, you could have to go back and pay more of your share for that state assistance your ex is receiving.

How in the heck do you expect your ex to provide a roof, food, clothing and all of that for your child on that little bit you share with your child? I think to begin with and since you failed to notify the court, as she was working, and that is real fast for her to be receiving all this assistance. She could also get section 8 housing, how come she is not getting that if she is receiving every kind of state assistance?

My employer does not offer any benefits at this time.

FOC has had all of my employers information, my wages, ect, since the day I was hired. I do owe back child support for the time I was unemployed. It's about $620 right now. I'm also paying on that each pay period. "and since you failed to notify the court" I didn't fail to notify the court of anything. They literally know everything about me at this point.
My ex has been on state assistance her entire life. Her mother receives section 8, food stamps, medicaid, and ssi. When my ex got pregnant she went down to FIA and got on her own case. She's been on food stamps, medicaid, and cash assistance since then. Michigan recently passed a law that you can only receive cash assistance for a total of 4 years. Hers was cut off last year some time. At that time she was living in subsidized housing for $15 a month. She got kicked out of there for fighting. (she actually got jumped by two other girls, but all three parties got the boot) So she moved back to her parents in august of 12. in march he dad beat the **** out of her. he went to jail. her mom evicted her and my son so that her dad could come home when he got out. she moved in with a friend. a good friend. a friend who truly was trying to help her get on her feet. days before she moved in with the friend she got her first job. this was the end of march. its not even been 2 months and shes already quit. im sure she is on the list for section 8 but here it is a 3 year waiting list.

as for providing for my son, everything he has has come from me. his fire truck bed, his clothes, those pumas he ruined after 2 weeks. all of his school supplies. his winter coat, his snow pants, his $100 nebulizer for his asthma that the insurance wouldn't cover because he broke the old one by putting pennies in it. and much, much more. he is obviously fed because she receives food stamps. and as for a roof over his head, its never been an issue until now. he has a roof over his head now. but he should be with his parents. either her, or me. if shes incapacitated, i should have him, take care of him.

how do i expect her to provide for him? i expect her to be like every other person out there and get a job and make a living.

 

[trnoon]

If Mom has half a brain, she will file for an upward mod in CS. No wonder she needs public assistance.

She can't file. It's in the states hands because she is on assistance.

 

[CSO286]

Yes there is a child support order. I was set in January of 2011. My ex is on every kind of state assistance you can think of. I pay 179 a month in child support. I know it isn't a lot. But all but 30 of it goes right to the state of Michigan. I make pretty good money. If they do review my child support it will most definitely get raised. I'm making at one job what I used to make at two. FOC never took my second income into consideration because I worked for cash and couldn't prove it. Plus my wife is a professional as well and make a good living. And she's amazingly frugal lol

So, why don't you do the right thing--since circumstances have changed--and request a review? Ensure your child is getting all the support he or she is entitled to?
Maybe then Mom wouldn have't to be on any kind of public assistance.....

 

[trnoon]

So, why don't you do the right thing--since circumstances have changed--and request a review? Ensure your child is getting all the support he or she is entitled to?
Maybe then Mom wouldn have't to be on any kind of public assistance.....

It's a lovely thought, it really is. But she isn't going to get off assistance. She's not that kind of person. She wants as much as she can get with as little effort as possible. Neither her, nor I, can request a review or modification of child support. It is 100% in the hands of the state. Besides, why would I pay for everything for my son, and give his mom play money? You think she's going to save it all up and buy her self a place to live? If that was the case, she'd have saved what she got while her rent was $15 and got out of the ghetto.

 

[ecmst12]

This seems like a good time for you to take all that money that you're not paying in child support, and go hire a lawyer.

 

[gam]

It's a lovely thought, it really is. But she isn't going to get off assistance. She's not that kind of person. She wants as much as she can get with as little effort as possible. Neither her, nor I, can request a review or modification of child support. It is 100% in the hands of the state. Besides, why would I pay for everything for my son, and give his mom play money? You think she's going to save it all up and buy her self a place to live? If that was the case, she'd have saved what she got while her rent was $15 and got out of the ghetto.

I was not going to respond anymore, however this is a load of BS and I don't want other Mi posters to think this is true. It's not in the states hands, either party can file for a modification of child support if there is a change in circumstance. The only thing that can't be done when one is on state assistance is to drop child support, or opt out of FOC services. The state becomes involved when one seeks state assistance, they make sure child support has been filed, they can file on the party's behalf or they most often forward the case to that county's prosecuting attorney's office, who then files on the party's behalf. Party that has the child, gets themselves a free lawyer from the prosecutors office, who goes to court for them and does the work. They must file, the party must cooperate with them and give them the father/possible father's name.

Once that first child support is done by them, then either party can file for modification. There is no time limit in Mi courts of when and how often you can file, as long as you can prove a change in circumstance, you can get a modification hearing. Heck many of the courts don't bother to see if there is a change in circumstance until you all show up for the hearing. Very common for many courts to ignore the need for a change in circumstance, and most don't bother to do anything about it, as it requires an appeal and that is costly and time consuming.

You need to back up crap your spouting here, with links to where this can be found, you won't find any, but go ahead and give it a try, or shut up. Because mom does get state assistance, FOC will have to automatically file for a 3 year review, and mom or you will have no say over that. You see that FOC will do that, not the state, the state is all done with this case at this time. The court is in charge, FOC enforces the courts orders and rules. So if they don't catch you now, they will catch up then. If mom is off assistance by that point, or you have paid the state all you owe them, then FOC will send MOM the receiver of Child Suport, a nice letter, offering her a free 3 year review. Even a small crap county like Bay County does this, as they have to. Mom will then have a choice of getting a nice free review or not.