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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Michigan


I had court yesterday. Before a judge. My ex claimed that I had not been taking my visitation. I had proof that I had been.

She was being held in contempt (it would've been her 3rd contempt) for denying visitation.

I was being held in contempt (my first) for not being in therapy due to my anxiety.

My visitation rights were completely revoked.

I think this is a very harsh rule. Am I completely F...ed? Can I appeal this judges decision?

He didn't say anything to my ex at all about anything she did.

That is my son. I know I messed up not being in treatment. It was stupidity plain and simple. But this is my son!! I just lost my child!
 


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Michigan


I had court yesterday. Before a judge. My ex claimed that I had not been taking my visitation. I had proof that I had been.

She was being held in contempt (it would've been her 3rd contempt) for denying visitation.

I was being held in contempt (my first) for not being in therapy due to my anxiety.

My visitation rights were completely revoked.

I think this is a very harsh rule. Am I completely F...ed? Can I appeal this judges decision?

He didn't say anything to my ex at all about anything she did.

That is my son. I know I messed up not being in treatment. It was stupidity plain and simple. But this is my son!! I just lost my child!
Could you please update one of your last threads rather than start a new one? It's helpful to everyone to have all the info in one place.
 

LdiJ

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Michigan


I had court yesterday. Before a judge. My ex claimed that I had not been taking my visitation. I had proof that I had been.

She was being held in contempt (it would've been her 3rd contempt) for denying visitation. (Translation, I filed for contempt against her for denying visitation)

I was being held in contempt (my first) for not being in therapy due to my anxiety. (Translation, she filed for contempt against me for not being in therapy)

My visitation rights were completely revoked.

I think this is a very harsh rule. Am I completely F...ed? Can I appeal this judges decision?

He didn't say anything to my ex at all about anything she did.

That is my son. I know I messed up not being in treatment. It was stupidity plain and simple. But this is my son!! I just lost my child!
No, you didn't lose your child. You have lost your visitation rights but that isn't permanent. The judge would have told you what you needed to do to get your visitation rights back.
 

sandyclaus

Senior Member
No, you didn't lose your child. You have lost your visitation rights but that isn't permanent. The judge would have told you what you needed to do to get your visitation rights back.
He didn't say anything along those lines.
A judge wouldn't necessarily say what it would take to regain visitation rights. If OPs visitation was taken away due to his noncompliance with therapy, then it goes without saying that resuming therapy and complying with the court's requirements could be grounds to restore visitation rights. It would take a request to modify visitation to get it, and it would be on OP to make the request independently.

Apparently, the reasons that the judge wanted you to continue your therapy were such that it had the potential of endangering your child if you didn't comply. They basically sided with the other parent who withheld visitation from you for your noncompliance out of concern for the child.

Do the work and then you can have access to your child again. The court is not interested in separating kids from parents who are genuinely interested in maintaining a relationship with them. They will work with you on reunification as long as it is reachable.
 

stealth2

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Seriously - this is not rocket science. Get thee to therapy. And after establishing a track record of attending, file to restore your visitation rights.

The court's order for therapy was NOT the suggestion you thought it was. It was an ORDER that thou shalt.
 

Ladyback1

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Michigan


I had court yesterday. Before a judge. My ex claimed that I had not been taking my visitation. I had proof that I had been.

She was being held in contempt (it would've been her 3rd contempt) for denying visitation.

I was being held in contempt (my first) for not being in therapy due to my anxiety.

My visitation rights were completely revoked.

I think this is a very harsh rule. Am I completely F...ed? Can I appeal this judges decision?

He didn't say anything to my ex at all about anything she did.

That is my son. I know I messed up not being in treatment. It was stupidity plain and simple. But this is my son!! I just lost my child!
YOU gave your Ex (and the judge) all the reasons (and ammunition) to revoke your visitation! You chose not to follow the court order, you chose not to go to therapy.
First thing Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) you need to find a therapist, make an appt. and follow thru w/ the appt., and make another appt, and another, and another, ad nauseam ....continue this for at least 6 months (preferably a year), establish a pattern of following the court order. Establish, for the court, that being a parent to your child is the utmost importance to you,
I'm sorry, but I really have no sympathy for you. You knew what you had to do, and you chose not to do it.
 
There is something missing.

What judge revokes visitation for failure to continue therapy over 1 anxiety attack (my best memory of the OPs situation)? I mean, there is supervised visitation, limited settings etc that the judge could have ordered but instead revoked visitation altogether.

There has to be more to this story.
 
There is something missing.

What judge revokes visitation for failure to continue therapy over 1 anxiety attack (my best memory of the OPs situation)? I mean, there is supervised visitation, limited settings etc that the judge could have ordered but instead revoked visitation altogether.

There has to be more to this story.
That is why I find it so harsh. It's not just one anxiety attack. It was a few. And I passed out. It's more of a medical condition than anything. Yes, certain social situations trigger it. But mostly I just couldn't drive for like 2 years because I had to go 12 months without having an attack. And I did. It's actually been since Christmas of 2011. I even have my license back now.
 

gam

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That is why I find it so harsh. It's not just one anxiety attack. It was a few. And I passed out. It's more of a medical condition than anything. Yes, certain social situations trigger it. But mostly I just couldn't drive for like 2 years because I had to go 12 months without having an attack. And I did. It's actually been since Christmas of 2011. I even have my license back now.
Tried to tell you, your in a Mi court, Judges in many of the Mi courts don't mess around. You were in contempt of the court order, that to many of these Judges is contempt of the court and the Judge.

Get into therapy, get a lawyer and file to get visitation back. Get your medical records to the lawyer.

So which is it, you have anxiety attacks or you pass out due to some medical condition, or is it both? Passing out because of a medical condition would not be a reason to be in therapy or have visitation taken away. It would be a reason for you not to be able to drive to pick up or drop off your child. Both my husband and son have gone through this passing out bit. Both have had to not drive several times, cause each time you pass out starts that clock again. They both went through full medical examines, many medical tests. Have you gone through a full medical run up because of your passing out? Have you had any tests done? Passing out can be a sign of some serious medical issues that need to be ruled out. First thing you should have a run down on is heart issues.

But passing out should not result in you losing parenting time with your child. We can't help you if you don't give us full details. If you also have anxiety attacks, well then ordering you into therapy and taking your parenting time away because you didn't follow the order is what the court should have done. However if your problem is strictly with passing out, you seriously need a lawyer now to fix the mess you got going.

Perhaps if you start over here and tell us what happened way back when you were ordered to therapy, we could give you a bit more help. Was the child with you when you either had anxiety attack or passed out? Did you pass out because of alcohol or drugs? Did you pass out or have an anxiety attack while driving?
 
Tried to tell you, your in a Mi court, Judges in many of the Mi courts don't mess around. You were in contempt of the court order, that to many of these Judges is contempt of the court and the Judge.

Get into therapy, get a lawyer and file to get visitation back. Get your medical records to the lawyer.

So which is it, you have anxiety attacks or you pass out due to some medical condition, or is it both? Passing out because of a medical condition would not be a reason to be in therapy or have visitation taken away. It would be a reason for you not to be able to drive to pick up or drop off your child. Both my husband and son have gone through this passing out bit. Both have had to not drive several times, cause each time you pass out starts that clock again. They both went through full medical examines, many medical tests. Have you gone through a full medical run up because of your passing out? Have you had any tests done? Passing out can be a sign of some serious medical issues that need to be ruled out. First thing you should have a run down on is heart issues.

But passing out should not result in you losing parenting time with your child. We can't help you if you don't give us full details. If you also have anxiety attacks, well then ordering you into therapy and taking your parenting time away because you didn't follow the order is what the court should have done. However if your problem is strictly with passing out, you seriously need a lawyer now to fix the mess you got going.

Perhaps if you start over here and tell us what happened way back when you were ordered to therapy, we could give you a bit more help. Was the child with you when you either had anxiety attack or passed out? Did you pass out because of alcohol or drugs? Did you pass out or have an anxiety attack while driving?

Passing out is the result of my sever anxiety. I have been tested and retested and tested some more. I start feeling anxious, my hands clamp up (as in turn into t-rex claws and i cant pry my fingers apart), my vision blurs, I start to hyperventilate, and then... I go unconscious.

My ex and I were together when I was diagnosed. She brought up my anxiety in court. I think it was just to the mediator. At that point I was 10 months into my 12 months, in order to regain my license. I didn't lose my license because of an accident. It was suspended as a precaution.

When my ex brought up my anxiety, I was very open about it with the mediator. It was never mentioned again. Not even the day the judge ruled my weekend parenting. No one said anything. Not her, not I, not the judge, not the guy from FOC. Four days after court I got the court order in the mail and it was in the order. At that time I was in therapy because I was looking for a new medication regimen. (i was on seroquel and it was making me depressed) so I never thought twice about it.

When I moved to another county for my new job I had to find another place to go. I didn't have insurance at the time (the place i was going in my old town was for people with no insurance) and was turned away. I contacted FOC and told them that was my issue. They never contacted me back. (i should have followed thru, i know. i messed up big time) Soon after that I came down with kidney stones and (without insurance) was in the hospital for four days while they just kept postponing my surgery... A guy came into my room talking about medicaid. My wife gets medicaid for my two step kids and our child together. So having a child in my home who was eligible, made me eligible. So I found a place to go for therapy. I went twice. After that I was working literally 60 to 70 hours a week. I just never made the time. I didn't want to have to request time off each week from my new job and risk looking unreliable. And the therapy fell into the back of my mind.

My ex was also in contempt. But they didn't look at that. She was denying visitation. Not because I wasn't in therapy, but because she claimed I wasn't taking my visitation. I had documentation that I had my son on all the days she says I didn't. I had documentation that she hadn't even been living with my son. I even had documentation that she was selling my sons prescription adderal. (and the judge had copies of all of my documentation) I had witnesses, testimonies. The judge didn't even let me speak last Friday in court. I thought we were going in for a show cause hearing. So I could SHOW CAUSE for why I was not following the order. And maybe I was naive to think that my check stubs for 70 hours and the fact that I didn't have insurance for so long would at least ease the blow...

I have never had an anxiety attack that has resulted in harm to my children, or anyone for that matter. Well, besides myself. I've smashed my head into a few walls and floors and one glass coffee table. So, I generally don't see how they could assume that my anxiety would be a direct threat to my son. I have managed to be a full time father to my other child, and my two step kids, without medication or therapy. And if they were going to put it in the order, why didn't they talk to me about it first?

I've never been anxious in court. Or shown any signs of an attack. I'm always calm and quite and non confrontation where as my ex screams and yells and flips out on me in front of the judge. She even threatened to kill my wife. In front of the entire court room. And nothing was ever done or said to her about her behavior.
 

sandyclaus

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Passing out is the result of my sever anxiety. I have been tested and retested and tested some more. I start feeling anxious, my hands clamp up (as in turn into t-rex claws and i cant pry my fingers apart), my vision blurs, I start to hyperventilate, and then... I go unconscious.

My ex and I were together when I was diagnosed. She brought up my anxiety in court. I think it was just to the mediator. At that point I was 10 months into my 12 months, in order to regain my license. I didn't lose my license because of an accident. It was suspended as a precaution.

When my ex brought up my anxiety, I was very open about it with the mediator. It was never mentioned again. Not even the day the judge ruled my weekend parenting. No one said anything. Not her, not I, not the judge, not the guy from FOC. Four days after court I got the court order in the mail and it was in the order. At that time I was in therapy because I was looking for a new medication regimen. (i was on seroquel and it was making me depressed) so I never thought twice about it.

When I moved to another county for my new job I had to find another place to go. I didn't have insurance at the time (the place i was going in my old town was for people with no insurance) and was turned away. I contacted FOC and told them that was my issue. They never contacted me back. (i should have followed thru, i know. i messed up big time) Soon after that I came down with kidney stones and (without insurance) was in the hospital for four days while they just kept postponing my surgery... A guy came into my room talking about medicaid. My wife gets medicaid for my two step kids and our child together. So having a child in my home who was eligible, made me eligible. So I found a place to go for therapy. I went twice. After that I was working literally 60 to 70 hours a week. I just never made the time. I didn't want to have to request time off each week from my new job and risk looking unreliable. And the therapy fell into the back of my mind.

My ex was also in contempt. But they didn't look at that. She was denying visitation. Not because I wasn't in therapy, but because she claimed I wasn't taking my visitation. I had documentation that I had my son on all the days she says I didn't. I had documentation that she hadn't even been living with my son. I even had documentation that she was selling my sons prescription adderal. (and the judge had copies of all of my documentation) I had witnesses, testimonies. The judge didn't even let me speak last Friday in court. I thought we were going in for a show cause hearing. So I could SHOW CAUSE for why I was not following the order. And maybe I was naive to think that my check stubs for 70 hours and the fact that I didn't have insurance for so long would at least ease the blow...

I have never had an anxiety attack that has resulted in harm to my children, or anyone for that matter. Well, besides myself. I've smashed my head into a few walls and floors and one glass coffee table. So, I generally don't see how they could assume that my anxiety would be a direct threat to my son. I have managed to be a full time father to my other child, and my two step kids, without medication or therapy. And if they were going to put it in the order, why didn't they talk to me about it first?

I've never been anxious in court. Or shown any signs of an attack. I'm always calm and quite and non confrontation where as my ex screams and yells and flips out on me in front of the judge. She even threatened to kill my wife. In front of the entire court room. And nothing was ever done or said to her about her behavior.
Until you deal with the anxiety that triggers the medical condition, you are and will remain a danger to the child you would have in your custody and care. Understand that the reality of that is WHY the judge was so serious about you pursuing therapy. Maybe an anxiety crisis event hasn't happened with your children before, but until you understand what conditions actually trigger the anxiety, you CAN'T guarantee your child's safety under your supervision. The mother of your other child and the two step kids either must be in denial or she is being negligent leaving those other children in your care while your mental and medical issues are present. Or she is willing to overlook them because she, or another responsible adult, is around to take care of the kids if something happens to you.

Maybe the judge DIDN'T consider contempt charges against your ex. Why not? Because if she HAD left the children with you in your fragile condition, the safety of the children couldn't be guaranteed. If there is significant risk of danger to the children, the court will tend to overlook a situation that they would otherwise have to act upon.

Stop making excuses. If you care about your children, you'll do whatever the court is telling you to do in order to ensure their safety the next time they are allowed to visit you. If you care more about your pride, then you'll stand your ground right where you are - and lose any chance you will have of seeing your child again any time soon.

The ball is in your court. Choose wisely - your children's future depends upon it.
 
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