Car Search

[derpa]

Poor you. The VP didn't believe you and now you have to park off campus. I don't think you can fully grasp how sad I am about that. With nothing to tell, you could have also allowed the search. I mean, you had that. But, you chose not that. Fine. All choices have consequences. When you don't cooperate with those who have control over if they will give you gifts or not, you should expect you don't get the gift. Remember that when your parents are older.

Yeah well I thought he was all talk didn't I...ooops. It seemed like an overreaction.

And like LdiJ said, I'd just had 3 friends in my car. How do I know whether they've emptied their pockets full of drugs all through my car?

 

[tranquility]

I dunno Tranq....in this day and age?

Would you, as a parent, instruct your minor child to allow a search that was unauthorized by law? I don't think that I would...particularly if I wasn't sure who else had been in the car.

I would never instruct anyone to consent to anything the government asks of them regarding search, seizure or legal statements. But, I would also have them accept the consequences. I am as mistrustful of The Man as anyone (well, not anyone) on the list. I just recognize the reality better than some of my fellow iconoclasts.

I also believe derpa is not telling us the whole story and that things are too convenient by half. I NEVER told him he should have consented, innocent or no. I merely said his lack of cooperation lead to legal and predictable consequences.

 

[tranquility]

Yeah well I thought he was all talk didn't I...ooops. It seemed like an overreaction.

And like LdiJ said, I'd just had 3 friends in my car. How do I know whether they've emptied their pockets full of drugs all through my car?

Mmmm hmmm. Right. Sell it to someone who's buying. All I'm telling you is that there is more to this story and I think it quite reasonable you have your on campus parking revoked. Look, I give legal answers here to the best of my ability. In this case, I have more ability than many here. I don't care if you're guilty or innocent of anything in my answers. But, I have expressed how I feel about the facts as you have explained them. I remember being a high school soccer coach and on my arrival at school one day I saw one of my (varsity) players and a junior varsity player smoking behind some cars. I confronted them with it when they arrived at practice. They denied it. I said I saw them. They said it was someone else. I said I KNOW them, I know who they are and what they look like and, it was them. They said they weren't smoking. I said they were as I know what smoking looks like and told them the brand. They continued to deny it. I was dumbfounded. I merely wanted them to knock it off and we would have been done. But that's not the way they wanted to roll. My power had to do with playing time. Guess how much they got the rest of the year? (I could have had them suspended from school, but I really didn't think it that big of a deal.)

 

[derpa]

Yet, the VP felt there was a story to tell; something you "know". While he may be wrong, it hardly seems like it was a random search. The best I could figure, giving you the benefit of a doubt is the school had word of some get together at lunch where contraband or weapons were used and/or exchanged and that many students were there in cars. They then wanted to search all the drivers coming back to campus under the policy. THAT would not be reasonable suspicion, but a hunch. The police would not be able to search nor would the school be able to search on such a hunch. But then, that is being generous.

oh I know what he was looking for. On a scale of bad 1-10, it's like a 3. And it was definitely a hunch, about everyone.

Even then, do you really think it "rude" for your permit to be revoked under the circumstances of your interaction? Really? The above is the only way that, assuming you are not involved with anything wrong, I could see events working out as they have for you. Put yourself in the VP's shoes, does it all really pass the smell test? If I were the VP I'd have ended with the fingers to my eyes and back to you in the "I'll be watching you." hand sign. Expect this may not have ended for you.

I still think it's rude. He could have just said "I'll be watching you", which he basically did, without revoking the permit. Yeah, I know it's not over.

 

[tranquility]

You hinder his investigation and you don't think he will remove privileges?

In my district you would also not be allowed off campus. Be thankful for you district or the VP's consideration.

 

[CdwJava]

Our local high school campus is "open." And this has led to numerous problems including the use of alcohol, drugs, and even the smuggling of said substances on to campus after lunch. Every couple of years the thought is proposes to close the campus at lunch, but, local businesses complain (it would effect their business) and the school district does not believe it could supply the food that might be necessary since they already sell it at, effectively, at a loss.

 

[Ohiogal]

I will make one proviso to that....

There are school systems across the country who have stopped providing bus service to students. The courts in many of those areas are challenging those school systems on the issue. I suspect that if a school system that was not providing bus service attempted to revoke a parking pass for a student because the student refused to agree to an illegal search was one of those school systems, in one of those areas, they might find themselves in a pickle.

And of course the police cannot search a vehicle that is legally parked on the street without something more than just a VP's suspicion that something untoward might be in the car. The police have to see something or smell something, or have a warrant to do such a search.

Nope. At least not in Ohio. Ohio law does not require transportation of many school students to school.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

In KY it is a privilege. Here is one schools reference:

http://www.kenton.kyschools.us/userfiles/1144/Parking%20Application%202013-14.pdf

Having a parking permit is a privilege not to be taken light
lightly. Any student who abuses the privilege through unsafe driving, improper parking, truancy, skipping lunch detention, detention, or repeated tardiness, will have the permit revoked.

There are other similar policies online.

 

[cbg]

The law doesn't care if it's rude. The law only cares if it's legal.

 

[derpa]

You hinder his investigation and you don't think he will remove privileges?

I guess that I'm sorry my right to refuse an illegal search got in the way of his investigation.

I talked to him today and he was just like, "I already know all that". So what?, the deal was, "tell me what you know and I'll give it back" - NOT "tell me something I don't know and I'll give it back".

And this has led to numerous problems including the use of alcohol, drugs, and even the smuggling of said substances on to campus after lunch.

This doesn't have anything to do with smuggling any substances.

 

[tranquility]

I guess that I'm sorry my right to refuse an illegal search got in the way of his investigation.

I talked to him today and he was just like, "I already know all that". So what?, the deal was, "tell me what you know and I'll give it back" - NOT "tell me something I don't know and I'll give it back".



This doesn't have anything to do with smuggling any substances.

So, tell him what you know or don't. One way gets the pass back and the other doesn't. Your call. I simply cannot see the problem here. Nothing done so far is illegal. To me, nothing seems unfair.

Bottom line is you cannot force anything here. You can only cooperate or not.

 

[derpa]

So, tell him what you know or don't. One way gets the pass back and the other doesn't. Your call. I simply cannot see the problem here. Nothing done so far is illegal. To me, nothing seems unfair.

Bottom line is you cannot force anything here. You can only cooperate or not.

I did tell him what I know.
He said "I already know that".
I'm not a miracle worker. Give me my pass back.

So cooperating didn't work.

 

[CdwJava]

This doesn't have anything to do with smuggling any substances.

Great. But, I never said it did. What I was explaining is some of the problems that happen when kids are allowed off campus at lunchtime and why the administration might pay attention any rumor of malfeasance.

So, as has been mentioned - you can appeal this decision through channels and hope for the best, or, park off campus.

 

[stealth2]

I did tell him what I know.
He said "I already know that".
I'm not a miracle worker. Give me my pass back.

So cooperating didn't work.

Do your parents know how whiny you are?

 

[derpa]

Great. But, I never said it did. What I was explaining is some of the problems that happen when kids are allowed off campus at lunchtime and why the administration might pay attention any rumor of malfeasance.

So, as has been mentioned - you can appeal this decision through channels and hope for the best, or, park off campus.

And I was jus making it clear. It was prank related, the prank is finished now so maybe he'll calm down.

Do your parents know how whiny you are?

THey coach me in it