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tranquility

Senior Member
And, if your interpretation of the law is holding, then why don't we see the borrowing defense raised all the time? I have yet to hear of any such defense, but it would seem a common claim if one could merely claim they were intending to bring it back and then force the state to read their mind or PROVE that the taking was NOT going to be permanent, but only for a temporary time frame.

What, then, is to keep my neighbor from coming into my home and borrowing my computer, my TV, my cell phone, and any of a host of other items - so long as he claims he was going to return then when he was done?

If that is the standard, then the defense bar would appear to be asleep at the switch! And the concept of personal or private property goes out the window.

Of course, if the owner can claim that the taking was for such a time that it deprived them of a "major portion" of the value or enjoyment, then it becomes theft again. How then do we define THOSE subjective terms? What would be a "major portion" of such subjective things as value or enjoyment? Either the law sets a low bar on that account, or defense attorneys have had their eyes closed for a very long time.

I would tend to agree that in this scenario the DA might decide not to prosecute ... but, as you say, it would depend on the surrounding facts.
I'm sorry you find well-settled law difficult to comprehend. If you have a real legal question regarding this basic element of larceny rather than rhetorical questions designed to make a point, I'll give a substantive answer. But, to your concern about the subjective term "major portion", look to the case the jury instructions cited:

People v. Avery (2002) 27 Cal.4th 49
 


tranquility

Senior Member
The relevant portion of Avery:
Marquez, supra, 16 Cal.App.4th 115, 20 Cal.Rptr.2d 365, confronted this issue in a case involving an Oregon statute with language similar to that of Texas. The court concluded the statute did not satisfy the California intent requirement. "The intent to acquire, or deprive an owner of, `the major portion of the economic value or benefit' of his or her property is not equivalent to the intent to permanently deprive an owner of his or her property. A person who intends only to temporarily deprive an owner of property, albeit while acquiring or depriving the owner of the main value of the property, does not intend to permanently deprive the owner of the property and therefore does not have the intent to commit theft, as that crime is defined under California law." (Id. at p. 123, 20 Cal.Rptr.2d 365.) Recently, another Court of Appeal disagreed with Marquez and concluded that the Oregon statute broke "no new ground" but was consistent with the California intent requirement. (People v. Zangari (2001) 89 Cal.App.4th 1436, 1447, 108 Cal.Rptr.2d 250, review granted Oct. 10, 2001, S099489, opn. ordered published Jan. 17, 2002.)

In Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th 301, 79 Cal. Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165, we held that the intent to take property from a store in order to return it for a refund satisfied California's intent requirement even though that intent was not literally to permanently deprive the store of the precise property taken. We explained that the rule that theft requires the intent to deprive the owner of the property permanently "is not inflexible: `The word "permanently," as used here is not to be taken literally.'" (Id. at p. 307, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165, quoting Perkins & Boyce, Criminal Law (3d ed.1982) p. 327 (hereafter Perkins).) We discussed briefly, but did not decide, whether Marquez, supra, 16 Cal.App.4th 115, 20 Cal.Rptr.2d 365, was correct. "We have found no California case in which the defendant had the intent hypothesized by the court in Marquez, supra, 16 Cal.App.4th at page 123, 20 Cal.Rptr.2d 365.... If and when such a case arises in California it will be time enough to determine whether that rule is in fact part of the common law of larceny of which Penal Code section 484 is declaratory." (Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at p. 318, fn. 15, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165.)

The time has now come to decide the question, although, due to the way in which it arises, we do so in the abstract without a concrete factual context. We now conclude that an intent to take the property for so extended a period as to deprive the owner of a major portion of its value or enjoyment satisfies the common law, and therefore California, intent requirement. We start by noting that California's statute does not itself expressly require an intent to permanently deprive. Rather, it merely says that, to be guilty of theft, the person must "feloniously steal" 407*407 the property; it does not further define the intent requirement. (§ 484, subd. (a).) But the "statute is declaratory of the common law" and so includes the common law intent requirement. (Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at p. 304, fn. 1, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165.) The reference to the intent to permanently deprive is merely a shorthand way of describing the common law requirement and is not intended literally. Thus, to determine the exact nature of California's intent requirement, we must turn to the common law.

In Davis, we discussed various factual circumstances involving arguably temporary takings that courts and commentators have found constitute theft. We discerned "three relevant categories of cases holding that the requisite intent to steal may be found even though the defendant's primary purpose in taking the property is not to deprive the owner permanently of possession: i.e., (1) when the defendant intends to `sell' the property back to its owner, (2) when the defendant intends to claim a reward for `finding' the property, and (3) when .. . the defendant intends to return the property to its owner for a `refund.'" (Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at p. 307, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165.)

Of particular importance here, we also noted that "[o]ther categories of cases of temporary taking amounting to larceny have also been recognized. Thus the commentators agree there is an intent to steal when the nature of the property is such that even a temporary taking will deprive the owner of its primary economic value, e.g., when the property is dated material or perishable in nature or good for only seasonal use. (E.g., Perkins, supra, at p. 327 [taking cut flowers from a florist without consent, with intent to return them in a week]; Model Pen.Code & Commentaries, com. 6 to § 223.2, p. 175 [taking a neighbor's lawn mower without consent for the summer, with intent to return it in the fall].) Another such category is composed of cases in which the defendant takes property with intent to use it temporarily and then to abandon it in circumstances making it unlikely the owner will recover it. (E.g., State v. Davis (1875) 38 N.J.L. 176, 178 [horse and carriage abandoned on a public road `after many miles and hours of reckless driving']....)" (Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at pp. 307-308, fn. 4, 79 Cal. Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165.)

Another commentator states the rule as being "that, for larceny, one must intend to deprive the owner of the possession of his property either permanently or for an unreasonable length of time, or intend to use it in such a way that the owner will probably be thus deprived of his property." (2 LaFave and Scott, Substantive Criminal Law (1986) Crimes Relating to Property, § 8.5, p. 357 (hereafter LaFave & Scott).) "An intent to return the property taken, in order to qualify as a defense to larceny, must be an intent to return within a reasonable time. [Fn. omitted.] In determining what is a reasonable time, much depends upon the nature of the property and its expected useful life, for to deprive the owner of the property for so long a time that he has lost a `major portion of the economic value' [fn. omitted] is to deprive him for an unreasonable time. It is one thing to take another's fresh strawberries with intent to return them two weeks later, another thing to take his diamond ring with a like intention." (Id. at § 8.5(b), p. 361, Fns. omitted.) The first footnote in this quotation states, "See State v. South, 28 N.J.L. 28 (1859), quoting from the ed. note to Regina v. Holloway, 169 Eng.Rep. 285 (1848) (an intent to take temporarily `intending however to keep them for a very unreasonable time ... would seem in common sense to be ample evidence of an intent wholly to deprive the owner of his property,' i.e. the intent to 408*408 steal which larceny requires)." (Id. at § 8.5(b), p. 361, fn. 22; see also Perkins, supra, at p. 328.)

The case generally cited (see, e.g., People v. Kunkin (1973) 9 Cal.3d 245, 251, 107 Cal.Rptr. 184, 507 P.2d 1392) as establishing California's intent-to-deprive-permanently requirement itself implies that the requirement is not to be taken literally. In People v. Brown, supra, 105 Cal. 66, 38 P. 518, the defendant defended against a charge of stealing a bicycle by testifying that he intended to return it. We held that the testimony, if believed, would make him not guilty of larceny. "While the felonious intent of the party taking need not necessarily be an intention to convert the property to his own use, still it must in all cases be an intent to wholly and permanently deprive the owner thereof." (Id. at p. 69, 38 P. 518.) Despite the seemingly absolute language used here, the authority we cited "as directly and fully sustaining this principle" (ibid.) shows we did not mean it absolutely. One of the cases we cited was State v. Davis, supra, 38 N.J.L. 176, which, as we explained in Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at page 307 and footnote 4, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165, helped establish that the intent to steal is satisfied when "the defendant takes property with intent to use it temporarily and then to abandon it in circumstances making it unlikely the owner will recover it." We also cited State v. South (1859) 28 N.J.L. 28, which, as noted in 2 LaFave and Scott, supra, section 8.5(b), page 361, footnote 22, quoted above, applied "common sense" and concluded that an intent to take temporarily but for an unreasonable length of time was "ample evidence" of an intent to deprive permanently.

For these reasons, we agree with the Court of Appeal in People v. Zangari, supra, 89 Cal.App.4th at page 1443, 108 Cal.Rptr.2d 250, that "the intent to deprive an owner of the main value of his property is equivalent to the intent to permanently deprive an owner of property."
Holding:

Thus, although true ambiguities are resolved in a defendant's favor, an appellate court should not strain to interpret a penal statute in defendant's favor if it can fairly discern a contrary legislative intent. In this case, for the reasons stated, the language in section 484, subdivision (a), referring to an intent to "feloniously steal," reasonably construed, adopted the common law intent requirement. That requirement, although often summarized as the intent to deprive another of the property permanently, is satisfied by the intent to deprive temporarily but for an unreasonable time so as to deprive the person of a major portion of its value or enjoyment. The rule of lenity does not compel a different result.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
The case generally cited (see, e.g., People v. Kunkin (1973) 9 Cal.3d 245, 251, 107 Cal.Rptr. 184, 507 P.2d 1392) as establishing California's intent-to-deprive-permanently requirement itself implies that the requirement is not to be taken literally. In People v. Brown, supra, 105 Cal. 66, 38 P. 518, the defendant defended against a charge of stealing a bicycle by testifying that he intended to return it. We held that the testimony, if believed, would make him not guilty of larceny. "While the felonious intent of the party taking need not necessarily be an intention to convert the property to his own use, still it must in all cases be an intent to wholly and permanently deprive the owner thereof." (Id. at p. 69, 38 P. 518.) Despite the seemingly absolute language used here, the authority we cited "as directly and fully sustaining this principle" (ibid.) shows we did not mean it absolutely. One of the cases we cited was State v. Davis, supra, 38 N.J.L. 176, which, as we explained in Davis, supra, 19 Cal.4th at page 307 and footnote 4, 79 Cal.Rptr.2d 295, 965 P.2d 1165, helped establish that the intent to steal is satisfied when "the defendant takes property with intent to use it temporarily and then to abandon it in circumstances making it unlikely the owner will recover it." We also cited State v. South (1859) 28 N.J.L. 28, which, as noted in 2 LaFave and Scott, supra, section 8.5(b), page 361, footnote 22, quoted above, applied "common sense" and concluded that an intent to take temporarily but for an unreasonable length of time was "ample evidence" of an intent to deprive permanently.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
 

tranquility

Senior Member
I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
What tree is that? You may underline anything you want, but if you have a position, state it clearly as I have no idea of your point.

Look to how the topic came up. I'm not going to argue black letter law with you. I understand many of the permutations of the elements of larceny and how the shorthand of words don't always match all the facts. (See, "the map is not the territory".)
 

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