Not knowing when I was unable to work since I was laid off because of my delusions

[OHRoadwarrior]

Don't send OP down the primrose path thinking the gov't is just going to smile, shake his/her hand and say here take this money. SSI does not work that way.

 

[Proserpina]

Don't send OP down the primrose path thinking the gov't is just going to smile, shake his/her hand and say here take this money. SSI does not work that way.

Don't say things like that!

It's demeaning and meaningless.

Apparently.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

I'm thoroughly confuzzled.

Don't say things like that!

It's demeaning and meaningless.

Apparently.

 

[Proserpina]

I'm thoroughly confuzzled.

OP didn't appreciate my appreciation of other posters.

Not quite sure what he wants, but hey, I appreciate his lack of appreciation of my appreciation of other posts.

 

[BL]

You should have a consult again with a physiatrist .

Have them preform an evaluation ( if need be ) to determine in their opinion and from the evaluation if you are disabled from preforming gainful employment ( SS's standard for 12 months or more ) .

If so some agencies such as this will help you fill out and file ( you file for both SSDI & SSI at the same time ).

If they determine you can not work at gainful employment for 12 or more months , you can also file .

If you were receiving unemployment SSA may or may not consider that time frame or before . You mental health provider may also be able to note your onset date .

If you get this far and it's determined you can not preform gainful employment for 12 moths or more and you apply with SSA, SSA may send you to one a Dr. they use to evaluate you also . If so provide as much documentation of your disability as you can .

As was said if you qualify , there are back to work programs and vocational programs .

During this time your meds may be adjusted so you can function and return to work.

Counseling is also part of therapy .

Good Luck.

 

[Proserpina]

You should have a consult again with a physiatrist .

Have them preform an evacuation ( if need be ) to determine in their opinion and from the evaluation if you are disabled from preforming gainful employment ( SS's standard for 12 months or more ) .

If so some agencies such as this will help you fill out and file ( you file for both SSDI & SSI at the same time ).

If they determine you can not work at gainful employment for 12 or more months , you can also file .

If you were receiving unemployment SSA may or may not consider that time frame or before . You mental health provider may also be able to note your onset date .

If you get this far and it's determined you can not preform gainful employment for 12 moths or more and you apply with SSA, SSA may send you to one a Dr. they use to evaluate you also . If so provide as much documentation of your disability as you can .

As was said if you qualify , there are back to work programs and revocation programs .

During this time your meds may be adjusted so you can function and return to work.

Counseling is also part of therapy .

Good Luck.

Pretty sure an evacuation is not required.

(Unless you're a small child wearing a gas mask, asking "Are you my Mummy?")

 

[BL]

Pretty sure an evacuation is not required.

(Unless you're a small child wearing a gas mask, asking "Are you my Mummy?")

My Fri. Laugh.

Ob0y , not again .

 

[Proserpina]

My Fri. Laugh.

Ob0y , not again .

That episode STILL frightens the willy wonkas out of me!

 

[commentator]

Are you still certifying each week for unemployment benefits? If so, you are stating that you are able, available and actively seeking work. If you don't want to do this anymore, do not think you are able to work, then simply stop certifying for unemployment insurance. Unless you tell them at the unemployment office something really funky, I suspect you will not have to pay back the money, you certainly wouldn't have to go to jail, they won't ever come and ask you why you have stopped certifying, or whether you were really really able to work during the weeks you did draw. Just make the decision to file or not to file based on your own capability to do the required job searches and weekly certifications.

But it is unrealistic to sit around and beat yourself up and think "Yes, I could find a job and do something, therefore I should not apply for assistance" when you're not able to be even up and out of bed and making a legitimate job search most of the time. Yes, you could, if you find an employer that will be patient, kind and understanding, will accommodate your good and bad days, and give you all the time off for treatment and care that you need (AND you decide to take advantage of this treatment!) you could work again successfully. But in the interim, start applying for social security disability, start the process now. Start it and see if there's any way you can qualify for it when you've been out of work a year. They will ask extensive questions about your medical situation. There's no need to determine which, SSDI or SSI you'd be able to get, they will tell you this pretty quickly when you apply. And while the Social Security program won't "take you by the hand and lead you gently down the primrose path" of getting certified for these benefits, they aren't in the business of kicking people in the teeth and destroying lives, either.

 

[Onderzoek]

I guess my question is what If you don't know when you are unable to work. What if you have no clue.


I think you will figure it out when you realize that whatever work you are managing to do is not enough to provide you with a regular source of income.


SSA will consider you disabled if there is sufficient medical evidence to show that you cannot sustain the mental or physical demands of a simple, repetitive job, six to eight hours a day.

Even though you don't like therapists, it is extremely helpful to any disability claim to keep an ongoing relationship with a doctor who specializes in your diagnosis. SSA will pretty much never just take your word for your condition. You may be 100% spot on in describing yourself and your problems, but it will not be enough. If you think about getting medical treatment as a means to that end, it may make it more palatable to you.

You could also think of being entitled to SSDI for a few years would give you the time to figure out what combination of medication/therapy/holistic approach/diet & exercise/meditation/structured life works best for you and allows you to have less wild swings in your mental condition. Then, using the trial work period, the Ticket to Word, and other work incentives, you could then return to the work force and transition back off of SSDI.

Your current struggle is with making the decision to file the application. As a general rule, the process itself is so stressful and lengthy and difficult that some applicants claim that the process itself exacerbates their mental problems.

If you do decide to apply, don't forget that SSA's definition of disability includes the demonstration that you are unable to engage in Substantial Gainful Activity for 12 months or longer. It is not a program for someone with a short term problem.

I also think you should give great consideration to the advice from the people who know you best and who care about you as a person.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

I suggest you do not tell them you became fully disabled because the UI extension was not approved.

 

[NOMOREPROSE]

thank you all. And its is no secret that PRoseprina says much but offers no substance but anyway, she is gone.

My employer told me to just file for medical assistance, They laid me off two days after I complained. I supposed they have that right and I don't hold them responsible for my mental condition but Being bipolar does not mean you cannot work. I had every desire of going back to work, I just go back and forth. One day I think I am capable of working, the next day or three I am not. My claim was exhausted in August of this year. The extension had nothing to do with anything. I am willing to tell Social Security the truth, that I just did what my employer told me to do and that I truly wanted to work, I would apply for a job, get an interview but show up with a wig on cause I cut my hair off and it was obvious to them I was off my rocker. There is a lot of mental anguish that comes with losing a job. This is not the first problem I have had on the jobs. I do well for a while then I crash, even with medicines. The purpose of my post was because I feel like I am smart enough to do work and that I should be strong enough to overcome this disorder but I keep failing.

 

[NOMOREPROSE]

I suggest you do not tell them you became fully disabled because the UI extension was not approved.

I resent the fact that I should have to be fully disabled but I suppose that is the way it works. I can do something, I just can't focus, concentrate and function in a normal work week. This is the problem I have. my unemployment situation was a little screwed up. I complained about hostile work environment and was laid off two days later. Not everyone recovers so easily.

 

[NOMOREPROSE]

Are you still certifying each week for unemployment benefits? If so, you are stating that you are able, available and actively seeking work. If you don't want to do this anymore, do not think you are able to work, then simply stop certifying for unemployment insurance. Unless you tell them at the unemployment office something really funky, I suspect you will not have to pay back the money, you certainly wouldn't have to go to jail, they won't ever come and ask you why you have stopped certifying, or whether you were really really able to work during the weeks you did draw. Just make the decision to file or not to file based on your own capability to do the required job searches and weekly certifications.

But it is unrealistic to sit around and beat yourself up and think "Yes, I could find a job and do something, therefore I should not apply for assistance" when you're not able to be even up and out of bed and making a legitimate job search most of the time. Yes, you could, if you find an employer that will be patient, kind and understanding, will accommodate your good and bad days, and give you all the time off for treatment and care that you need (AND you decide to take advantage of this treatment!) you could work again successfully. But in the interim, start applying for social security disability, start the process now. Start it and see if there's any way you can qualify for it when you've been out of work a year. They will ask extensive questions about your medical situation. There's no need to determine which, SSDI or SSI you'd be able to get, they will tell you this pretty quickly when you apply. And while the Social Security program won't "take you by the hand and lead you gently down the primrose path" of getting certified for these benefits, they aren't in the business of kicking people in the teeth and destroying lives, either.

Many employers use unemployment to entice employees to leave quietly, i believe in part this is what happened in my case. I'll accept the blame. Kinda unfair to lay a person off and expect them to not recover from the trauma of being let go because you asked for a transfer out of the cross hair, but like I said, I will accept the blame and will inform social security the truth and will repay unemployment if deemed necessary or have my former employer pay back half of it since it was their idea

 

[Proserpina]

thank you all. And its is no secret that PRoseprina says much but offers no substance but anyway, she is gone.

My employer told me to just file for medical assistance, They laid me off two days after I complained. I supposed they have that right and I don't hold them responsible for my mental condition but Being bipolar does not mean you cannot work. I had every desire of going back to work, I just go back and forth. One day I think I am capable of working, the next day or three I am not. My claim was exhausted in August of this year. The extension had nothing to do with anything. I am willing to tell Social Security the truth, that I just did what my employer told me to do and that I truly wanted to work, I would apply for a job, get an interview but show up with a wig on cause I cut my hair off and it was obvious to them I was off my rocker. There is a lot of mental anguish that comes with losing a job. This is not the first problem I have had on the jobs. I do well for a while then I crash, even with medicines. The purpose of my post was because I feel like I am smart enough to do work and that I should be strong enough to overcome this disorder but I keep failing.

Proserpina appears to be here, actually.

Here's the reality: Nobody here can tell you what to do, or what will or will not happen. There are too any variables and permutations. Take the very kind advice you've been given, and go from there.