Marrying for in state tuition and financial independance

[johncitizen]

Further, it seems marriage is not even necessary. I can be a domestic partner. Come and tell me that if I live with a good friend and decide to become domestic partners with them I am committing fraud.

"(5) You are married, a registered domestic partner, or a graduate student, and you were not/will not be claimed as an income tax deduction by any individual other than your spouse or domestic partner for the tax year immediately preceding the term for which you request resident classification."

This simply qualifies me for financial independence and allows me to pay for my own education without bringing my parents into the equation (which is the problem to start with).

 

[Zigner]

"To establish residence you must be physically present in California for more than one year [check], and you must come here with the intent to make California your home as opposed to coming to this state to go to school [check]. Your residence cannot be derived from your spouse, a registered domestic partner or a parent."

I didn't come here to start a moral debate. This is about legalities. Someone tell me where marriage for this purpose is defined as fraud. It appears, as per the bolded above, that I would not gain CA residency (for tuition purposes, which I very clearly understand is different than US Citizenship and is not clearly defined legally but rather has a set of guidelines that vary even by institution). Therefore, the marriage becomes only to gain financial independence from my parents (there fixed the oxymoron). I would be financially independent already if I were given the appropriate financial aid, but I can not get said aid because I am not independent... I imagine you can appreciate the cyclic nature of this.

They "cyclic nature" is due to the fact that you want to use the system in a way that it's not designed to be used. In other words, you're trying to "get around" the system.

 

[johncitizen]

As for the allusion to homosexual marriage, I apologize if I misinterpreted the bolded. I do not mean to offend anyone of any race or sexual orientation. If it's worth anything to you, I have been involved in political campaigns to legalize egalitarian marriage and currently room with a homosexual couple.

 

[Zigner]

Did you have any further legal questions?

 

[johncitizen]

They "cyclic nature" is due to the fact that you want to use the system in a way that it's not designed to be used. In other words, you're trying to "get around" the system.

If the system legally allows it (and it seems it does, especially when the marriage is taken out of the equation) and I am not taking anything I don't deserve (I am paying for my own education with little to no parental support, which is a lot more than most can claim), how am I cheating the system exactly?

 

[johncitizen]

Did you have any further legal questions?

Is it fraud to become registered domestic partners with someone with whom you live? Leaving moralities out of this, is there any legal basis for this constituting fraud?

 

[Proserpina]

"To establish residence you must be physically present in California for more than one year [check], and you must come here with the intent to make California your home as opposed to coming to this state to go to school [check]. Your residence cannot be derived from your spouse, a registered domestic partner or a parent."

I didn't come here to start a moral debate. This is about legalities. Someone tell me where marriage for this purpose is defined as fraud. It appears, as per the bolded above, that I would not gain CA residency (for tuition purposes, which I very clearly understand is different than US Citizenship and is not clearly defined legally but rather has a set of guidelines that vary even by institution). Therefore, the marriage becomes only to gain financial independence from my parents (there fixed the oxymoron). I would be financially independent already if I were given the appropriate financial aid, but I can not get said aid because I am not independent... I imagine you can appreciate the cyclic nature of this.

Sorry folks, I can't dumb it down any further. Y'all have at it.

 

[justalayman]

Yes, seriously, or I wouldn't have posted this.

so, are you going to be hitting the sheets with a gay guy with money or a broke gay guy? In all of this you seem to have left out your lover's money on your FAFSA.

I would be financially independent already if I were given the appropriate financial aid, but I can not get said aid because I am not independent...

sorry but that is all wrong. If you are financially independent, you don't need financial aid. Anybody that receives financial aid is not financially independent. They may be financially independent of their parents, lovers, or what have you if you must have financial aid to continue school, you are not financially independent.

 

[johncitizen]

Well, in that case I'm in the same basket as 99% of current students at top 10% schools. I don't have stats, but I doubt many full time students make north of $70K a year.

 

[justalayman]

Well, in that case I'm in the same basket as 99% of current students at top 10% schools. I don't have stats, but I doubt many full time students make north of $70K a year.

but they aren't on this website arguing they are or would be financially independent if they got financial assistance.

Oh, and to this:

Dude, you know nothing about my family history. I am not going to go into details, but my parents have poured over $1M into the federal system and the state of CA over inheritance litigations.

You really don't really understand where that money went, do you?

 

[johncitizen]

but they aren't on this website arguing they are or would be financially independent if they got financial assistance.

Oh, and to this:



You really don't really understand where that money went, do you?

I find it funny that you know more about my families legal and financial history than I do, even if my name is John Citizen.

I came here to get actual factual information (did any of you quote a single source?) and possibly hold an educated discussion. So far I hear nothing but childish slander. Did I ever say that I understand legal fees paid to a private law firm or to a Federal court contribute twords higher education? No I did not. I'm now going to stop replying, your childish attempts at debate and allow you to continue being untransendental conformists.

 

[justalayman]

johncitizen;3323121]I find it funny that you know more about my families legal and financial history than I do, even if my name is John Citizen.

and that shows you do not understand where all that money went.

I came here to get actual factual information (did any of you quote a single source?)

is it relevant? You got the answer to the question you asked.

I'm now going to stop replying, your childish attempts at debate and allow you to continue being untransendental conformists

Yea!!!!!

 

[Ladyback1]

I find it funny that you know more about my families legal and financial history than I do, even if my name is John Citizen.

I came here to get actual factual information (did any of you quote a single source?) and possibly hold an educated discussion. So far I hear nothing but childish slander. Did I ever say that I understand legal fees paid to a private law firm or to a Federal court contribute twords higher education? No I did not. I'm now going to stop replying, your childish attempts at debate and allow you to continue being untransendental conformists.

ahhhh....like I said, if you don't like the answers then do what you want.
You are going to any way. It's obvious beyond all doubt that you are quite young, quite inexperienced in this thing called life and pretty naïve--but you think you are 10 ft tall, bullet proof and know everything.

 

[stealth2]

This seems like a foolish question - why not gain residency and financial independence by moving to CA and getting a JOB?

 

[xylene]

You are not alone in doing this. Doesn't make it a good idea or the awesome loophole you think

For one, I suspect very strongly that your prenup could be attacked under marriage fraud if the other party wanted to get greedy.

Weird idea: Find someone you REALLY want to marry.