American Hospital law- Can I reuse to have my arms strapped Down?

[Silverplum]

but anytime a patient is put into a condition where they may move and that movement could cause injury, they can strap them down. With a c-section I believe they are not typically anesthetized but only sedated so it is likely less common since when sedated, you are technically awake (except people like me that fall asleep even with sedation) I know in a couple surgeries (anesthetized) I had, my arms were strapped; one arm because they were operating on it and you really don't want your arm to twitch when the doc is holding a really sharp knife near arteries and nerves. The other arm was strapped because I had an IV and if I moved my arm around it could dislodge the IV or cause it to be pushed into my arm causing issues they would have had to stop the surgery for and deal with.

She's not going to read that. If she does, she won't understand all that logic.

 

[Polly Page]

I thought you said they don't in England...


Anyway, it's case specific. Yours is a hypothetical question...good day.

When I said think like our hospitals in England do. What I mean't to say is that in England in our hospitals the DON'T strap the mom's arms down during C Section and they don't strap any other part of her down. They have never ever strapped anyone down in the UK. It's never happened because it's not done over there.

But I have read some very disturbing posts on the web that in America they do strap your arms down. Not only for C Sections but for other surgeries. And the nurses on that American nurses forum All Nurses were not very nice to me. They told me it's standard practice in America and if I don't like it to go back to England.
But then how do we know the members on that nurses forum are nurses? They could be ordinary members like us.As anybody can sign up on a nurses forum and say they are a nurse. Does not mean that they are in real life.

 

[Silverplum]

When I said think like our hospitals in England do. What I mean't to say is that in England in our hospitals the DON'T strap the mom's arms down during C Section and they don't strap any other part of her down. They have never ever strapped anyone down in the UK. It's never happened because it's not done over there.

But I have read some very disturbing posts on the web that in America they do strap your arms down. Not only for C Sections but for other surgeries. And the nurses on that American nurses forum All Nurses were not very nice to me. They told me it's standard practice in America and if I don't like it to go back to England.
But then how do we know the members on that nurses forum are nurses? They could be ordinary members like us.As anybody can sign up on a nurses forum and say they are a nurse. Does not mean that they are in real life.

And any lunatic can sign up on a legal forum, also.

*hums*

 

[justalayman]

Polly Page;3328070]When I said think like our hospitals in England do. What I mean't to say is that in England in our hospitals the DON'T strap the mom's arms down during C Section and they don't strap any other part of her down. They have never ever strapped anyone down in the UK. It's never happened because it's not done over there.

so when a patient flails about on the table they do what? sit back and have a pint until the patient settles down?

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They told me it's standard practice in America and if I don't like it to go back to England.

that would be very good advice for you. If you don't like how things are done in the US, go find a place that makes you happy.

 

[Proserpina]

When I said think like our hospitals in England do. What I mean't to say is that in England in our hospitals the DON'T strap the mom's arms down during C Section and they don't strap any other part of her down. They have never ever strapped anyone down in the UK. It's never happened because it's not done over there.

YES THEY HAVE.

Just stop. Seriously. Stop.

But I have read some very disturbing posts on the web that in America they do strap your arms down. Not only for C Sections but for other surgeries. And the nurses on that American nurses forum All Nurses were not very nice to me. They told me it's standard practice in America and if I don't like it to go back to England.
But then how do we know the members on that nurses forum are nurses? They could be ordinary members like us.As anybody can sign up on a nurses forum and say they are a nurse. Does not mean that they are in real life.

I'll play. Tell me which forum, and which sub-forum (if necessary). Let's see.

 

[Proserpina]

so when a patient flails about on the table they do what? sit back and have a pint until the patient settles down?

. that would be very good advice for you. If you don't like how things are done in the US, go find a place that makes you happy.

Don't wish her back on us, please.

Pretty please.

 

[ecmst12]

JAL - moms are not sedated during c-sections. Unless there's a true emergency requiring general anesthesia (fully put under), mom just gets an epidural or spinal which numbs/paralyzes the lower half of the body. Mom is fully conscious and aware, as much as anyone about to have a baby can be In most cases there would be no need to restrain the arms. Though if something happens like a reaction to the anesthesia causing shaking, it might be done for safety...not standard practice though.

 

[quincy]

Hi Quincy.
Are you a doctor?
So what you are saying is that there are some hospitals in America that think like our hospitals in England do, and don't strap the arms down?

Hi, Polly.

No, I am most definitely not a doctor. I am a dad and three of my children were born by C-section in a large US metropolitan hospital.

My wife did not have her arms restrained during the surgeries and there was never a mention made of having restraints. She was awake for each birth.

My wife was able to hold (tightly, very very tightly) onto my hand during the procedures and then each of us were able to hold the babies after they were born.

I think it is standard procedure in the US to restrain children after they are born (after they have reached the age of 1 or so and become mobile ) but not moms.

 

[CSO286]

JAL - moms are not sedated during c-sections. Unless there's a true emergency requiring general anesthesia (fully put under), mom just gets an epidural or spinal which numbs/paralyzes the lower half of the body. Mom is fully conscious and aware, as much as anyone about to have a baby can be In most cases there would be no need to restrain the arms. Though if something happens like a reaction to the anesthesia causing shaking, it might be done for safety...not standard practice though.

Having had two C-sections, and expecting to have a third soon enough, I'd like to throw my two cents in.

The only part of me that was "restrained" during my c-section was the arm my IV was inserted into. After the babies were delivered, they completely sedated me, so I can't speak to what happened then, but I woke up entirely unrestrained.

I've also been present for my daughter's tonsillectomy, and they DID restrain her arms. I was told it was in case she had an adverse reaction to the anesthetic. Which, turned out to be necessary, as she woke up post-op without recognizing anyone--including me, and fought with her entire being to break free.

 

[Polly Page]

Having had two C-sections, and expecting to have a third soon enough, I'd like to throw my two cents in.

The only part of me that was "restrained" during my c-section was the arm my IV was inserted into. After the babies were delivered, they completely sedated me, so I can't speak to what happened then, but I woke up entirely unrestrained.

I've also been present for my daughter's tonsillectomy, and they DID restrain her arms. I was told it was in case she had an adverse reaction to the anesthetic. Which, turned out to be necessary, as she woke up post-op without recognizing anyone--including me, and fought with her entire being to break free.

I have had operations under general anaesthetic, (GA for short) in the UK and my arms certainty were not strapped down or restrained.

I just held the nurses hand they gave me in injection anaesthetic to put me to sleep and I woke up in recovery with another nurse beside me. But I was not strapped down or restrained. In the UK when they put you to sleep by GA they don't knock you out in the OR, they do it outside the door of the OR first before they take you in.

Did your daughter have her tonsils out while asleep or did was she wake under a local anaesthetic may I ask? As I though they would put you to sleep for that.

 

[justalayman]

JAL - moms are not sedated during c-sections. Unless there's a true emergency requiring general anesthesia (fully put under), mom just gets an epidural or spinal which numbs/paralyzes the lower half of the body. Mom is fully conscious and aware, as much as anyone about to have a baby can be In most cases there would be no need to restrain the arms. Though if something happens like a reaction to the anesthesia causing shaking, it might be done for safety...not standard practice though.

http://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/cesarean-section-how-a-cesarean-section-is-done

In preparation for a cesarean section, your arms are secured to the table for your safety, and a curtain is hung across your chest. A tiny intravenous (IV) tube is placed in your arm or hand; you may be given a sedative through the IV to help you relax. A catheter is inserted into your bladder to allow you to pass urine during and after the surgery

There are myriad websites available to show that sedation is quite common when performing a c-section but as with most things, it is going to vary on the doctor and their typical process and the patient and their need for sedation.

but the bottom line is: they are going to restrain any part of a patient that wants to move when the doctor doesn't want it to move. If there is need to strap the arms of a c-section patient, they are going to do it. It is for the safety of the patient and the medical team performing the procedure.

each patient is going to be dealt with as the situation calls for. Somebody like polly here is simply whacko if she thinks there is a one size fits all solution to any given procedure. I am not saying all patients undergoing any given procedure will be treated one way or the other but just the same, you can't throw a blanket statement out there like Polly has and say no patients will experience...whatever.

 

[justalayman]

Polly Page;3328105]I have had operations under general anaesthetic, (GA for short) in the UK and my arms certainty were not strapped down or restrained.

how do you know? I used to know a surgical nurse and you wouldn't believe some of the things that went on during surgeries with the patient never being aware of any of it.

I just held the nurses hand they gave me in injection anaesthetic to put me to sleep and I woke up in recovery with another nurse beside me. But I was not strapped down or restrained. In the UK when they put you to sleep by GA they don't knock you out in the OR, they do it outside the door of the OR first before they take you in.

that is quite odd given the additional issues required when being anesthetized all of which are not going to be undertaken outside of an OR.

I see the problem though. When Britain is referred to as the nanny state, I thought they were referring to the control the gov holds over the people but now I see, it is actually a more literal statement as well. Holding your hand? Seriously, how old are you? And a nurse beside you until you wake? You folks must waste a ton (I guess that would be tonne for you) of money on superfluous attendants.

 

[Polly Page]

http://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/cesarean-section-how-a-cesarean-section-is-done




There are myriad websites available to show that sedation is quite common when performing a c-section but as with most things, it is going to vary on the doctor and their typical process and the patient and their need for sedation.

but the bottom line is: they are going to restrain any part of a patient that wants to move when the doctor doesn't want it to move. If there is need to strap the arms of a c-section patient, they are going to do it. It is for the safety of the patient and the medical team performing the procedure.

each patient is going to be dealt with as the situation calls for. Somebody like polly here is simply whacko if she thinks there is a one size fits all solution to any given procedure. I am not saying all patients undergoing any given procedure will be treated one way or the other but just the same, you can't throw a blanket statement out there like Polly has and say no patients will experience...whatever.

I was not aware that sedation was used here in America when you have a C Section with a Spinal. In the UK if you choose to be awake they just give you the Spinal or Epidural and that's it.No sedation unless they have to revert to GA which sometimes happens.
But they don't strap you down in the operating theatre in the UK.Nope not in any NHS or private hospital.

Yes I know things are different in America in that in psychiatric hospitals they can restrain you by strapping you to the bed in 4 point restraints. And they also strap you down in the ICU.
But they don't do any of that in the UK either. They don't have those kind of restraints at all in the UK.

 

[ecmst12]

I've never heard of a sedative being given either, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible if a mom is very anxious and needs it. Whenever possible, all efforts are made to keep mom awake and aware so she can be mentally present for the birth of her child. But patient safety and comfort are the primary concerns, so whatever care is needed to achieve those goals (within the standard of care) will be provided. There is not a one size fits all model for patient care for any medical situation, anywhere in the world (at least anywhere with modern medicine). It always depends on the needs of the patient and the situation.

 

[cbg]

Whatever they may or may not do in the UK, Polly, if the websites you are reading are telling you that all c-section patients in the US, without exception, will be strapped down, then those websites are exaggerating at best and lying outright at worst. I don 't care how many forums you've seen that say they will be - it's simply not true.

You don't have a brother by the name of Tony Newman, do you?