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Tenant Breaks Lease - 21 Days Deposit Return Starts When?

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Morgan05

Member
One can only argue with a wall for so long. So long wall.
There is no wall.

I provided one attorney that said following part 2 is legal and the CA Code. But, attorneys lose in court. That’s why I want to hear other people’s opinion given the CA Civil Code 1950.5 and/or their experience.
 
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Silverplum

Senior Member
There is no wall.

I provided one attorney that said following part 2 is legal and the CA Code. But, attorneys lose in court. That’s why I want to hear other people’s opinion given the CA Civil Code 1950.5 and/or their experience
There IS a wall, and here it is:
It appears to me, from reading through your thread, that you have had the same question you asked answered several times over and you seem to be having some difficulty accepting the correctness of those answers. Asking the question over and over again is not going to change the correct answers already provided. At this point, I suggest you do what you want to do and accept whatever consequences come from those actions.
 

Morgan05

Member
I notice the poster deleted the part I bolded in his response to you. So I thought I'd repost it:
I accept all opinions and appreciate their time, whether I agree or disagree with their "correctness."

I am not sure what the right answer is. That's why I continue to listen to anyone that has an opinion, preferably by their interpretation of the CA law or their experience in court.
 
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Silverplum

Senior Member
I accept all opinions and appreciate their time, whether I agree or disagree with their correctness. I am not sure what the right answer is. That's why I continue to listen to anyone that has an opinion, preferably by their interpretation of the CA law or their experience in court.
It appears to me, from reading through your thread, that you have had the same question you asked answered several times over and you seem to be having some difficulty accepting the correctness of those answers. Asking the question over and over again is not going to change the correct answers already provided. At this point, I suggest you do what you want to do and accept whatever consequences come from those actions.
In case you missed it:
It appears to me, from reading through your thread, that you have had the same question you asked answered several times over and you seem to be having some difficulty accepting the correctness of those answers. Asking the question over and over again is not going to change the correct answers already provided. At this point, I suggest you do what you want to do and accept whatever consequences come from those actions.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
I accept all opinions and appreciate their time, whether I agree or disagree with their "correctness."

I am not sure what the right answer is. That's why I continue to listen to anyone that has an opinion, preferably by their interpretation of the CA law or their experience in court.
Notice is irrelevant. Lease is irrelevant. Whether the tenant initiated the move out or you initiated the move out; the act of moving out starts the 21 day clock that within you must send the tenant an itemized statement of the charges for damages (including the remainder of the lease owed if applicable) And any amount of the deposit that is above and beyond that amount as a refund or a bill of the deposit was not enough.

There is an exception that if you cannot provide hard numbers for the damages (such as it will take longer to have the work done than the 21 days and you cannot have an accurate number until the work is actually done, you have longer (don't remember the specific time or if there is a specific time) but you are still required to provide a good faith estimate of the damages and you can use that number for your deductions. Once the accurate number is determined you either refund or bill the over or under estimate amount.

Quoting Metallica; Nothing else matters.
 
In my case, the 3 day notice is waived as partial payment (by subsidy) is accepted. The situation is more simply a tenant moves 3 months early breaching the lease, before the lease is expired. By definition, they cannot give proper notice to move.







21 days after vacating is only part of 1950.5 (g)(1). 2 things have to happen to comply.

1) Tenant is given itemization and security refund within 21 days of vacating property.
2) This must be after either the landlord or tenant provide a notice to “terminate the tenancy” (e.g., 30 day, 60 day notice, etc.) or after 59 calendar days prior to the expiration of lease.

When a normal tenant (no breach) moves, the landlord is able to comply with “part 1” AND “part 2.” Saying the mantra of 21 days after vacating is enough to comply with 1950.5 (g)(1).

On the other hand, if a tenant moves 3 months early breaching the lease, the landlord can only comply with either “part 1” or “part 2.” The landlord is not able to comply with BOTH parts of 1950.5 (g)(1). This is the result of the tenant breaching the lease, not the actions of the landlord.

CA Civil Code 1950.5 (g)(1):

No later than 21 calendar days after the tenant has vacated the premises, but not earlier than the time that either the landlord or the tenant provides a notice to terminate the tenancy under Section 1946 or 1946.1, Section 1161 of the Code of Civil Procedure, or not earlier than 60 calendar days prior to the expiration of a fixed-term lease, the landlord shall furnish the tenant, by personal delivery or by first-class mail, postage prepaid, a copy of an itemized statement indicating the basis for, and the amount of, any security received and the disposition of the security and shall return any remaining portion of the security to the tenant.
As a tenant in California, and a landlord in another state, all I can say is you are being completely unreasonable. I hope you learn something when your tenant takes you to court and the judge rips your head off, and gives them triple damages for your willful disregard of the law. But you won't.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Seem to me that if you have to ask volunteers about basic LL/Tenant law in your state ....You should not be advising other members here. Again. This is just MPO. :)
 

not2cleverRed

Obvious Observer
There is no wall.

I provided one attorney that said following part 2 is legal and the CA Code. But, attorneys lose in court. That’s why I want to hear other people’s opinion given the CA Civil Code 1950.5 and/or their experience.
Really?

You asked the SAME question on two forums and got slammed repeatedly with the same answer: you are wrong.

At this point I'm starting up the popcorn machine and waiting for the OG effect. (That's not limited to Family Law, is it?)
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Really?

You asked the SAME question on two forums and got slammed repeatedly with the same answer: you are wrong.

At this point I'm starting up the popcorn machine and waiting for the OG effect. (That's not limited to Family Law, is it?)
Nope. It is not. I have seen it happen on CS, CC, CL, and every other forum on this site...

That is why "we" call it the OG Effect!!!...Truly is amazing!! :cool::)
 

TigerD

Senior Member
I accept all opinions and appreciate their time, whether I agree or disagree with their "correctness."

I am not sure what the right answer is. That's why I continue to listen to anyone that has an opinion, preferably by their interpretation of the CA law or their experience in court.
You are going to learn an expensive lesson.

TD
 

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