ticket stubs

[star6]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CA

Basically my situation is I made a scan of one of my tickets to someone and they put in on their website (I gave them permission to do so.) It is not a special design ticket - it is a standard Ticketmaster ticket.

Someone, either the artist's management or another company contracted by them, took notice of this ticket (and several others) from this website, and without permission from me or the website, decided to reprint them for a VIP Book for this artist.

I raise an issue about this to the artist. The issue was really about the unauthorized usage of internet pictures taken by someone (it was me who made the scan of my ticket), and not copyright in general. However, I made an error in my letter by not being totally specific about it being the image itself, and so now I'm dealing with copyright as an issue. I find this to be above confusing because I can't find any true answer about this on Google or anywhere. There are limited websites that talk about ticket stubs and copyright.

With that said, is it legal to reprint used ticket stubs without giving credit to the person who owned the ticket and who also made the picture in the first place? If not, then who owns the copyright to it - the event, the ticket agency, or the owner of the ticket?

I was told via this artist's Personal Assistant that the true copyright owner is not me, but the artist and his foundation. I have read elsewhere in the limited website about ticket stubs and copyright that tickets for past events have no copyright owner at all. I'm not sure what is true here.

 

[FlyingRon]

I don't agree with any of your assumptions.

The people who originally generated the design of the ticket, have copyrights to it (if there's some distinctive art work, the ticket maker may have a derivative work of that artist).

You making a scan is just making a copy and not only doesn't give YOU any rights, you have INFRINGED on the creator(s) of the work you scanned.

 

[star6]

I don't agree with any of your assumptions.

The people who originally generated the design of the ticket, have copyrights to it (if there's some distinctive art work, the ticket maker may have a derivative work of that artist).

You making a scan is just making a copy and not only doesn't give YOU any rights, you have INFRINGED on the creator(s) of the work you scanned.

That doesn't make much sense. So you are basically ALSO arguing that also everyone who is selling these tickets too (real or "replicas") on places like ebay are also copyright infringers? If so, why hasn't anyone been sued for this or why hasn't there been a court case to show true ownership of old ticket stubs throughout the internet? If we apply your logic, why hasn't Ticketmaster sued anyone for selling old tickets on the web if they are the ones, as you argue, the designers of the tickets?

Also take a look at what this person wrote here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Image_Ticket_Stub.png

"Ticket stubs have no copy right laws about them and so they fall under public domain after their issue date has expired." Would love to know who wrote that. Is any of that a true statement?

 

[quincy]

That doesn't make much sense. So you are basically ALSO arguing that also everyone who is selling these tickets too (real or "replicas") on places like ebay are also copyright infringers? If so, why hasn't anyone been sued for this or why hasn't there been a court case to show true ownership of old ticket stubs throughout the internet? If we apply your logic, why hasn't Ticketmaster sued anyone for selling old tickets on the web if they are the ones, as you argue, the designers of the tickets?

Also take a look at what this person wrote here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Image_Ticket_Stub.png

"Ticket stubs have no copy right laws about them and so they fall under public domain after their issue date has expired." Would love to know who wrote that. Is any of that a true statement?

All of it depends on the licensing rights granted by the copyright holder.

If, for example, you purchase a ticket to a Jimmy Buffett concert, you are owner of the ticket but no copyrights to the images on the ticket have been transferred to you. The artist who created the image for use on the ticket retains these all rights absent an agreement that licenses or transfers the copyrights to another.

Copying the ticket for your own purposes infringes on the rights of the copyright holder (with potentially a few fair use exceptions).

You should read with great caution the information provided on Wikipedia. Wikipedia allows for the adding and editing of content by anyone. While it can be a good starting point, it should never be used as your only source.