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Co-Ownership Dispute - Requesting Partition by Sale

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Castillb

Junior Member
Los Angeles, CA

Hi,

My father recently passed away but before passing he transferred to me via Grant Deed his 3/5 ownership of a two lot property with four houses on it located in Los Angeles. My father and our family have been living on the property for over 30 years. During that time, he maintained the property, paid all insurance and expenses including property taxes and the other two owners had never asked him for any rents for their share of the interest. Now that he's passed away, they are now suing me for the interest and are requesting that court order a partition by sale. I know that before my father passed he had been trying to work things out with one of the other owners. The other owner died so his interest was transferred to his children who had no idea they had legal ownership in the property until now. The other two owners are family and I know that my father would have wanted us to work something out. There is no hostility among us I would just like to arrive at a deal that is fair to all of us. My father was originally 1/5 owner of the property but over the years had been buying out the other owners eventually leaving him as 3/5 owner. In my mind, my father's actions made it clear that he would someday want to own the whole property so I have no intention of selling the property. Which means my only option is two buy-out the other two owners. The question I have is, is there a way that I can structure this without having to take out a massive loan? For example, can I say that I will promise to pay them $X a month for the next X years in exchange for their interest? Also, would they be entitled to the fair market value in coming up with the sale price? And finally, assuming they can get fair market value, do you think it would be wise to factor in the property taxes, maintenance, insurance and expenses that were paid to maintain the property? I'm told they can request their share of past rents but I'm not overly concerned about that because my father didn't charge much. I've hired an attorney but I'm curious to know how some on this board would go about this. Really appreciate the input and feedback. Thank you!
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Los Angeles, CA

Hi,

My father recently passed away but before passing he transferred to me via Grant Deed his 3/5 ownership of a two lot property with four houses on it located in Los Angeles. My father and our family have been living on the property for over 30 years. During that time, he maintained the property, paid all insurance and expenses including property taxes and the other two owners had never asked him for any rents for their share of the interest. Now that he's passed away, they are now suing me for the interest and are requesting that court order a partition by sale. I know that before my father passed he had been trying to work things out with one of the other owners. The other owner died so his interest was transferred to his children who had no idea they had legal ownership in the property until now. The other two owners are family and I know that my father would have wanted us to work something out. There is no hostility among us I would just like to arrive at a deal that is fair to all of us. My father was originally 1/5 owner of the property but over the years had been buying out the other owners eventually leaving him as 3/5 owner. In my mind, my father's actions made it clear that he would someday want to own the whole property so I have no intention of selling the property. Which means my only option is two buy-out the other two owners. The question I have is, is there a way that I can structure this without having to take out a massive loan? For example, can I say that I will promise to pay them $X a month for the next X years in exchange for their interest? Also, would they be entitled to the fair market value in coming up with the sale price? And finally, assuming they can get fair market value, do you think it would be wise to factor in the property taxes, maintenance, insurance and expenses that were paid to maintain the property? I'm told they can request their share of past rents but I'm not overly concerned about that because my father didn't charge much. I've hired an attorney but I'm curious to know how some on this board would go about this. Really appreciate the input and feedback. Thank you!

They would be fools if they asked for anything short of cold hard cash in their pockets. You're going to need to take out a loan if you wish to buy them out.
 

HRZ

Senior Member
I doubt the other owners have a worthy claim as to rents never charged.

A complex deal is unlikely to fly ...try to keep it simple and arrive at a buy out price perhaps thru internal action...high bid must take it ...and serious money in the pot if high bid fails to get it done . 3/5 - 2/5 split ...
 

Castillb

Junior Member
I doubt the other owners have a worthy claim as to rents never charged.

A complex deal is unlikely to fly ...try to keep it simple and arrive at a buy out price perhaps thru internal action...high bid must take it ...and serious money in the pot if high bid fails to get it done . 3/5 - 2/5 split ...
Hi HRZ,

Do you mind clarifying the second part of you answer, please?
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Hi HRZ,

Do you mind clarifying the second part of you answer, please?
Posts by HRZ frequently lack clarity.

Look, let's be frank here. You are represented. Your questions are best answered by your attorney.
 

adjusterjack

Senior Member
What your father wanted or "made clear" to you is meaningless to the court and anybody else.

You own 3/5 of the property.

You can offer the other owners a payment plan and they can say no.

You can try to factor in all the money that went into the place and they can say no.

They can request their share of rents and you can say no.

Doesn't matter what they think they are "entitled" to and it doesn't matter what you think you are "entitled" to, it only matters what you can all agree on that you can all live with.

If you all can't reach an agreement, the court will take it out of your hands and order the property sold at public auction. It'll likely be bought by an investor or developer for a lot less than fair market value. Then, after all the court and sale expenses are paid, you'll get 3/5 of what's left and they get 2/5 of what's left.

You're bargaining from a position of weakness. You want to keep the property. They don't. They don't care how much a forced sale would bring. 40% of the net proceeds is found money to them for a property that they never got any benefit of no matter how much it is. You're naïve if you think there is no hostility there. Lawsuits = Hostility.

I suggest you make a deal and come up with the cash. Ask your lawyer how much he's going to soak you for over the life of this lawsuit while chances are good that you lose the property anyway.
 

HRZ

Senior Member
a partition action frequently results in a low net for the sellers .and hefty fees for others in the equation .....the various parties might be smarter to come up,with some other way of cashing out..but OP, if it goes up for sale...you or a very friendly straw party can seek to buy it in at what ever the price may be. Just you will need to arrange financing thru some source .

IF you want to buy it in..why not structure an auction with the other owners ..and high bid takes it , of course ...and by money in the pot...I mean each side puts in say 5 % of the likely price , cash in pot , if the high bidder fails to complete the deal is say 60 days for any reason , they forfit pot to other side and other side can buy it at thier last bid price . hey the other owners may also want it ?

ASk your lawyer.

IF you are overly in love with the property ...you put your options at a disadvantage ....
 

FarmerJ

Senior Member
You are indeed free to apply for a loan and your free to speak to your attorney about making a offer to the others to buy them out via a formal contract for deed prepared by your attorney recorded at the county recorders desk . But getting a loan to buy them out is more clean since it would get them out of the picture .
 

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