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[OR] Filing for Custody after ex files ERO in KY (After living there one day)

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Then why did you right this 8 minutes ago.
I talked to the lawyer yesterday and he said he would take my case and to send him all pertinent documents. I originally had intended to fly out for Thursday. I am going to ask my lawyer AND the KY courts about defending non-locally based on this new information.
 


BeachbumW

Member
Ok good you’ve filed in OR, and have a lawyer. I’d honestly talk to your lawyer and see what they think about getting a lawyer in KY. Perhaps your OR lawyer can file or respond to matters from KY that it’s the wrong Forum. Technically OR is the current home state, but there are clauses that can change that such as threats. There’s another consideration such as inconvenient forum. Considering the majority of everyone has lived in KY for longer recently than OR there may be a case of “inconvenient forum” there.

The UCCJEA also prevents multiple states from acting on custody at once. So the hearings should proceed/start in OR, whether your ex or her lawyer is good enough to pull off the inconvenient forum is another story and maybe probable.

In the end though you’ll probably be dealing with interstate custody if you’re set on living in OR. Unless your ex is completely psychotic and can be proved so you’re going to share custody. It’s probably going to be a matter which forum will win. Idk your guys work situation exactly etc. I’m not asking for that but you’ll have to consider who’s more likely able to travel where and when and the courts are going to consider all of that deciding a forum. Also using all that info to decide custody. It’s going to be rough and won’t resolve quickly so hang in there. At least for now to me it seems like OR will be the first forum. Don’t get caught up in the drama part of the split though easier said than done I know.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
The point of my post, to be honest and without saying so explicitly (which I shall do now) is to be wary of posters who are brandy-new and have only posted to your thread (i.e. beach bum), versus those who are well versed and have documented history here.
 
Ok good you’ve filed in OR, and have a lawyer. I’d honestly talk to your lawyer and see what they think about getting a lawyer in KY. Perhaps your OR lawyer can file or respond to matters from KY that it’s the wrong Forum. Technically OR is the current home state, but there are clauses that can change that such as threats. There’s another consideration such as inconvenient forum. Considering the majority of everyone has lived in KY for longer recently than OR there may be a case of “inconvenient forum” there.

The UCCJEA also prevents multiple states from acting on custody at once. So the hearings should proceed/start in OR, whether your ex or her lawyer is good enough to pull off the inconvenient forum is another story and maybe probable.

In the end though you’ll probably be dealing with interstate custody if you’re set on living in OR. Unless your ex is completely psychotic and can be proved so you’re going to share custody. It’s probably going to be a matter which forum will win. Idk your guys work situation exactly etc. I’m not asking for that but you’ll have to consider who’s more likely able to travel where and when and the courts are going to consider all of that deciding a forum. Also using all that info to decide custody. It’s going to be rough and won’t resolve quickly so hang in there. At least for now to me it seems like OR will be the first forum. Don’t get caught up in the drama part of the split though easier said than done I know.
We were both working, making around the same money per hour, before she’s left for KY and this all happened. In regards to child custody case ahe hasn’t been able to hold down a job for more than a feeble months at a time since over known her. She has had 9 jobs since our oldest was born 3 years ago. I currently now am the only one working (as of last week, when she left). I know that won’t help the EPO case but I hope the instability will speak at child custody case.
 
The point of my post, to be honest and without saying so explicitly (which I shall do now) is to be wary of posters who are brandy-new and have only posted to your thread (i.e. beach bum), versus those who are well versed and have documented history here.
I appreciate the advice. However if you would like to offer some additional advice regarding my situation that would also me helpful.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I appreciate the advice. However if you would like to offer some additional advice regarding my situation that would also me helpful.
You NEED representation, in both states, but in KY *immediately*. You need to sort out this jurisdictional clustermuck before custody issues can be considered. Your KY atty should also be asking that the children be returned to OR immediately.
 

BeachbumW

Member
Idk in my opinion people that post a lot on a forum tend to be bored, doesn’t make them knowledgeable. Perhaps I’m not always bored. I also noticed a lot of people on forums need to try and show case their knowledge, whether accurate or not. I’ve been in very similar shoes as OP. If anyone wants to call me out fair enough, But before you do I’ll ask have any of you actually read the UCCJEA word for word? Have any of you done interstate custody? You think I’m making stuff up read the UCCJEA then call me out.

UCCJEA is adopted by almost all 50 states, and it might be now. I believe there were two left that haven’t so it’s national law. Why would I come here talking crap? I just see someone in a similar situation as I was.

I bet all the commentors here no matter how many forum points or status they are after have never read UCCJEA word for word. Maybe it’s hard for someone that can’t see past their pitiful online ego that perhaps someone new may have something to offer. All OP has to do is google UCCJEA browse it read it and see if what I’m saying is crap. In fact I’ve said that OP needs to discuss these matters with an attorney. It’s actually silly that any poster here thinks they could single handedly fix OPs problems. Only can give him ideas or perhaps steered in a helpful direction.


So what advice have I given here do you think is BS? Feel free to call it out if you can.

Perhaps OP should read the UCCJEA for himself and let him decide what’s helpful and not. I’ll never be elite status on any forum ever. I really don’t care to live a virtual life. I guess for some people that matters being some hotshot status on a forum, but I could care less really. I also have no intent on steering anyone wrong.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Idk in my opinion people that post a lot on a forum tend to be bored, doesn’t make them knowledgeable. Perhaps I’m not always bored. I also noticed a lot of people on forums need to try and show case their knowledge, whether accurate or not. I’ve been in very similar shoes as OP. If anyone wants to call me out fair enough, But before you do I’ll ask have any of you actually read the UCCJEA word for word? Have any of you done interstate custody? You think I’m making stuff up read the UCCJEA then call me out.

UCCJEA is adopted by almost all 50 states, and it might be now. I believe there were two left that haven’t so it’s national law. Why would I come here talking crap? I just see someone in a similar situation as I was.

I bet all the commentors here no matter how many forum points or status they are after have never read UCCJEA word for word. Maybe it’s hard for someone that can’t see past their pitiful online ego that perhaps someone new may have something to offer. All OP has to do is google UCCJEA browse it read it and see if what I’m saying is crap. In fact I’ve said that OP needs to discuss these matters with an attorney. It’s actually silly that any poster here thinks they could single handedly fix OPs problems. Only can give him ideas or perhaps steered in a helpful direction.


So what advice have I given here do you think is BS? Feel free to call it out if you can.

Perhaps OP should read the UCCJEA for himself and let him decide what’s helpful and not. I’ll never be elite status on any forum ever. I really don’t care to live a virtual life. I guess for some people that matters being some hotshot status on a forum, but I could care less really. I also have no intent on steering anyone wrong.
No one said your input was BS. But OP needs to deal with the restraining order/jurisdictional issues FIRST, with a KY attorney.
 
Bum,

First thank you. It’s been really hard this past week and honestly full of turmoil and emotion. I haven’t spoken to my kids in a week (7 days today) and honestly I was starting to lose it. Your advice is well-taken and purposeful (I did in fact read the entire UCCJEA). I am a physicist by trade and like to understand everything I get myself into. But I know my limits. That’s why I seeked legal counsel in KY and OR before coming in here. But in any case, this advice here, coupled with the personal experience of other posters, has put my mind more at ease than any lawyer. So for that, I thank you.

Also small update:

My lawyer in KY and the local court there said I could “phone in” during trial. I think I am going to go for this option. Thoughts? Should I spend the money and get on a plane if possible(not looking good) or will phone testimony be okay?
 

BeachbumW

Member
Yes I’d do that, request a phone appearance. Every county is different so some may allow it others may not. I’d request it before hand though so you’re not just calling during the hearing. It may or may not be granted. It’s why I suggested some how getting ahold of the court administrators to talk about options available to you.

Stealth, I don’t mean to come at you but in all reality maybe there’s a reason I’ve only commented on one thread and this is it. In fact I never intended to comment on any thread but this one caught my attention. You may have had some 48000 contributions here but no one was mentioning the UCCJEA and how it could help Blitz understand things better. So maybe I saw a way to add something whether my first post ever or not. I didn’t even pay attention to who’s who or how long they’ve been here.

I’ve read up and down the laws pertaining to this and I also want to keep it in perspective. UCCJEA will say that OR is currently the home state. If Blitz wants it that way it will probably start in OR. I’m also saying since Blitz and his ex have strong ties to KY his ex does have a fighting chance to pull OR is an “inconvenient forum” and KY is more fitting. Not saying it’s a for sure deal for her to pull it off.

I think your ex is giving you ammo. This is why I also suggest keeping your cool and not giving her any ammo at all. She is filing for a restraining order so don’t give any her anything that can validate her ideas. For instance don’t call her 20 times in a row til she answers(not saying you’re doing this) seen other people do it. Don’t ask the same repetitive questions over and over, if she doesn’t want to answer. I’d say contact her for your kids a reasonable amount of times maybe once per day call and leave a message to talk to your kids, maybe every now and then discuss your situation if you can. If you can get her to text you and make sure you are clean and presentable in your texts. Texts are writing and admissible in court, email is too. Keep records of you trying to contact her in regards for your kids. Phone logs maybe record the message you leave on her voicemail asking to see your kids.

Not seeing your kids or talking to them is hard. After me and my ex split it was months, I almost had to publically serve her cause she couldn’t be found to be served. In the end even though it’s hard your ex attempting to isolate you from your kids could be used in court, her trying to get an unwarranted restraining order to make it difficult for you can show her unwillingness to compromise and be realistic. If her or her lawyer is smart enough to pull the inconvenient forum argument in OR, bring up that she’s already isolated you and kept the kids from you. If she’s going to be uncompromising or disrespectful recognizing your relationship as the father you’ll be inconvenienced to have to go to KY to settle things every time she acts up. My ex has violated so many things even though I can afford to travel more, she’s the one with issues following the order. This is what I mean keep your composure strong and respectful, no matter how raw your emotions are now. If she’s acting bad don’t do it too.

You’ve already got a KY and OR lawyer, so this is good. I’d definitely make sure your OR lawyer is indeed familiar with interstate custody or has resources that can help them. They’ll need to know the law not guessing it in front of a judge and it’ll help to know how judges in the area typically rule in such cases. I think with interstate custody you have to be picky on the lawyer. I’ve gone into consultations where lawyers are confused about the UCCJEA. I think it’s great you’ve read that law. It’s written in legal terms but now you know how it should be enforced and how your ex can approach too, know all angles.

Realistically in my opinion and based on what I’ve seen if you guys are going to live in two different states custody is going to be hard. Plus I don’t see a judge awarding 100% custody to either party, unless one is found completely incompetent for whatever reason but highly unlikely. Even if so that person will be given ways to redeem themselves as a parent and eventually most likely get some more custodial rights. So I’m saying keeping it real and understand that both parents will get time even if it’s out of state. Maybe we don’t agree with your ex leaving but realistically she has support and connections in KY so she’s probably not going to be forced to stay in OR. This means visits and custody will be on a bigger scale. Longer custodial periods and longer periods without. May be a 2,3,6 month rotation. So I’d be thinking about What you want with long term custody in that situation. Think about the school year too, they may not be school age but a 6month rotation won’t work in the school year. One parent will get school time and the other summer vac and any break a week or longer.

If this was me using what I know in hindsight If your ex ever becomes compromising, perhaps use her wanting the jurisdiction in KY as leverage. Maybe she’s willing to agree to 50/50 custody. Maybe willing to give you the school year and her the summers and still see it as 50/50 or vise versa pretty much negating support for either of you if you have the same earnings potential. But do everything through the courts not just word of mouth. Who knows maybe KY favors 50/50 custody over giving majority to one parent maybe it’s oregon that does. Kind of feel the laws of custody and support in both states.

I wish I could say everything will be easy but it won’t be. I know everything’s fresh but the intensity will die down eventually.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Bum,

First thank you. It’s been really hard this past week and honestly full of turmoil and emotion. I haven’t spoken to my kids in a week (7 days today) and honestly I was starting to lose it. Your advice is well-taken and purposeful (I did in fact read the entire UCCJEA). I am a physicist by trade and like to understand everything I get myself into. But I know my limits. That’s why I seeked legal counsel in KY and OR before coming in here. But in any case, this advice here, coupled with the personal experience of other posters, has put my mind more at ease than any lawyer. So for that, I thank you.

Also small update:

My lawyer in KY and the local court there said I could “phone in” during trial. I think I am going to go for this option. Thoughts? Should I spend the money and get on a plane if possible(not looking good) or will phone testimony be okay?
If it was about my children I would be there in person, period, point blank.
 

not2cleverRed

Obvious Observer
Also small update:

My lawyer in KY and the local court there said I could “phone in” during trial. I think I am going to go for this option. Thoughts? Should I spend the money and get on a plane if possible(not looking good) or will phone testimony be okay?
Because one of your issues is jurisdiction, I think responding telephonically will underscore that point. Especially for hearings. Yes, there are disadvantages to responding telephonically, but responding in person will not necessarily change the result.
 

torimac

Member
I can tell you from personally experience, that responding by phone is definitely not the best option. You miss the nuances. In court, you can see when it is appropriate to speak, to respond, etc. You can gauge the facial expressions and know when to be quiet and let your stbx ramble. You can't do that on the phone.
 

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