amayamerican
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Oregon
We bought a property in another country, and decided to spend a year there, while renting out our very large home.
We rented 4 of the 5 bedrooms to a contracting crew here building a business. The 5th ( Our master suite) we rented to a fairly well known co-worker of mine. The house was fully furnished. He was to somewhat 'manage' the property-- water the landscaping, plants, and make sure lights got turned off, keep an eye on maintenance, etc. In exchange, he got a great deal on rent, and paid no utilities. We had a cleaning person in every two weeks, to keep on top of floors, and bathrooms.
We moved our personal items into the mother in law apartment attached to our garage.
We came back every 90 days. On multiple occasions , on the weekends, we noticed several juvenile boys ( 10-14) entering and exiting the home. The contracting crew was only there Monday - Thursday, going home on the weekends. The front door and all bedroom doors are passcode protected. From the adjacent apartment, it appeared the 'caretaker' was subletting the rooms on the weekends. There were lights on, in what should be empty rooms, showers being taken in the hall bathroom, while the contractors were gone for the weekend, etc. We approached him, and he denied subletting. Said he had a friend stay for a few days to watch his cat. We hadn't known he had a cat. He then moved a man into his own room, but said he was just 'staying' there for a day or two, but that he was 'cool'- he even had an apartment in our town, and a pregnant girlfriend.
A few months in, he texted asking to adopt another cat, because his was about to die. We declined, and told him we had not known he had a cat until after he had mentioned it when we asked him about the other guy, and we did NOT want pets to begin with. He had an anxiety attack when we told him that. Like, the call 911 kind.
We agreed to let him keep the cat in his room only because there were other tenants, and the cleaning lady said she was continuously picking up 'cat piles'. FOr some reason, we must've thought we needed him because we were so far away. Writing this, Im thinking- why the hell didnt we give him notice right then?!
We were notified by neighbors that the tenant always had young men in and out of the house. 12-16 year olds. They were very concerned for the welfare of these boys, as our tenant is a mid 30's, gay male. We were aware of the boys, but not what happens once they entered the house. The contracting crew never said anything when asked, nor said they saw anything.
After 14 months (a two month extension) the contractors finished up and moved out of our furnished home. The other tenant did not. He messaged us asking if he could rent the rooms- but we already knew we did not want him in our home any longer. We let him know we would be coming home, and that we would be reoccupying our home. My husband and son went back immediately, rented out the apartment attached to the garage (so he could not ask to move into it), moved back into the house, and then occupied the private back room, because our 'tenant' was still in the master suite.
My husband noticed, on multiple occasions, strange people coming and going.
I arrived home a month later. One afternoon, we were standing in a downstairs room when we could hear a baby crying upstairs. Our tenant was at work. I knocked on the door, and called his name. No answer. The baby quieted, and I went back downstairs not knowing what to do. About 15 minutes later, 2 people with a car seat come out of the tenants room and head downstairs and out the door. Gone before I could ask any questions. It was the same man the tenant had said was only staying a few days.
I served him written notice of 30 days. I told him we were going to be selling. We changed the passcodes to all but his door, and ave him only the front door code. He begged to move into the private back room. He said he couldn't get a place with 2 cats (yep! he got one anyway). He didn't have the money to move. He has terrible anxiety and needs at least 4 months to find a place. Etc, etc. I told him maybe we could go 60 days, but no longer.
Meanwhile, We had stayed crammed into the private back room with our nine year old son, rather than having our child go back upstairs to his room next to the master, because we do not trust his interest in children. The private back room is very quiet.
But this week, my husband, son, and I moved into two of the four, large upstairs rooms. The tenant is still occupying the master suite (its 300 sq ft w/attached large bathroom).
But then, this morning, after our tenant left for work ,I went to go downstairs into my kitchen for coffee (in my underwear), and I pass the very slightly open door to the master suite. I see a maaaaaybe 13 year old boy, getting out of bed and pulling his pants on. I scramble back to my room to get dressed, and come immediately back out as the kid slams the front door and takes off down the road.
I message the tenant asking who the kid is. He claims its one of the students that are helping him with a fundraiser project, it got late last night so he just stayed over. I again reminded him, that only he has only rented ONE room, and with us home now, we did not want people in our home without him there. He said no problem. Again.
My question is- If something is happening to these young boys, are we liable? Can their parents sue us?
and how can we get him out if he wont leave?? We never had a rental agreement with him. Only the contractors had a lease.
I do not have ANY paperwork for this 'renter', aside from the 30 days, which he is now past, with no indication of any intention of moving. He pays his rent via GooglePay and now just avoids us by creeping up and down the stairs and jetting outside so we cant talk to him.
Aside from telling us how naive, stupid, idiotic we are- does any one have any advice/experience with this?
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We bought a property in another country, and decided to spend a year there, while renting out our very large home.
We rented 4 of the 5 bedrooms to a contracting crew here building a business. The 5th ( Our master suite) we rented to a fairly well known co-worker of mine. The house was fully furnished. He was to somewhat 'manage' the property-- water the landscaping, plants, and make sure lights got turned off, keep an eye on maintenance, etc. In exchange, he got a great deal on rent, and paid no utilities. We had a cleaning person in every two weeks, to keep on top of floors, and bathrooms.
We moved our personal items into the mother in law apartment attached to our garage.
We came back every 90 days. On multiple occasions , on the weekends, we noticed several juvenile boys ( 10-14) entering and exiting the home. The contracting crew was only there Monday - Thursday, going home on the weekends. The front door and all bedroom doors are passcode protected. From the adjacent apartment, it appeared the 'caretaker' was subletting the rooms on the weekends. There were lights on, in what should be empty rooms, showers being taken in the hall bathroom, while the contractors were gone for the weekend, etc. We approached him, and he denied subletting. Said he had a friend stay for a few days to watch his cat. We hadn't known he had a cat. He then moved a man into his own room, but said he was just 'staying' there for a day or two, but that he was 'cool'- he even had an apartment in our town, and a pregnant girlfriend.
A few months in, he texted asking to adopt another cat, because his was about to die. We declined, and told him we had not known he had a cat until after he had mentioned it when we asked him about the other guy, and we did NOT want pets to begin with. He had an anxiety attack when we told him that. Like, the call 911 kind.
We agreed to let him keep the cat in his room only because there were other tenants, and the cleaning lady said she was continuously picking up 'cat piles'. FOr some reason, we must've thought we needed him because we were so far away. Writing this, Im thinking- why the hell didnt we give him notice right then?!
We were notified by neighbors that the tenant always had young men in and out of the house. 12-16 year olds. They were very concerned for the welfare of these boys, as our tenant is a mid 30's, gay male. We were aware of the boys, but not what happens once they entered the house. The contracting crew never said anything when asked, nor said they saw anything.
After 14 months (a two month extension) the contractors finished up and moved out of our furnished home. The other tenant did not. He messaged us asking if he could rent the rooms- but we already knew we did not want him in our home any longer. We let him know we would be coming home, and that we would be reoccupying our home. My husband and son went back immediately, rented out the apartment attached to the garage (so he could not ask to move into it), moved back into the house, and then occupied the private back room, because our 'tenant' was still in the master suite.
My husband noticed, on multiple occasions, strange people coming and going.
I arrived home a month later. One afternoon, we were standing in a downstairs room when we could hear a baby crying upstairs. Our tenant was at work. I knocked on the door, and called his name. No answer. The baby quieted, and I went back downstairs not knowing what to do. About 15 minutes later, 2 people with a car seat come out of the tenants room and head downstairs and out the door. Gone before I could ask any questions. It was the same man the tenant had said was only staying a few days.
I served him written notice of 30 days. I told him we were going to be selling. We changed the passcodes to all but his door, and ave him only the front door code. He begged to move into the private back room. He said he couldn't get a place with 2 cats (yep! he got one anyway). He didn't have the money to move. He has terrible anxiety and needs at least 4 months to find a place. Etc, etc. I told him maybe we could go 60 days, but no longer.
Meanwhile, We had stayed crammed into the private back room with our nine year old son, rather than having our child go back upstairs to his room next to the master, because we do not trust his interest in children. The private back room is very quiet.
But this week, my husband, son, and I moved into two of the four, large upstairs rooms. The tenant is still occupying the master suite (its 300 sq ft w/attached large bathroom).
But then, this morning, after our tenant left for work ,I went to go downstairs into my kitchen for coffee (in my underwear), and I pass the very slightly open door to the master suite. I see a maaaaaybe 13 year old boy, getting out of bed and pulling his pants on. I scramble back to my room to get dressed, and come immediately back out as the kid slams the front door and takes off down the road.
I message the tenant asking who the kid is. He claims its one of the students that are helping him with a fundraiser project, it got late last night so he just stayed over. I again reminded him, that only he has only rented ONE room, and with us home now, we did not want people in our home without him there. He said no problem. Again.
My question is- If something is happening to these young boys, are we liable? Can their parents sue us?
and how can we get him out if he wont leave?? We never had a rental agreement with him. Only the contractors had a lease.
I do not have ANY paperwork for this 'renter', aside from the 30 days, which he is now past, with no indication of any intention of moving. He pays his rent via GooglePay and now just avoids us by creeping up and down the stairs and jetting outside so we cant talk to him.
Aside from telling us how naive, stupid, idiotic we are- does any one have any advice/experience with this?
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