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jbegould

New member
What is the name of your state? Louisiana

Hi! I'm currently going through some troubling issues and I'd like some advice. I'd just like to know what my options really are and if there would even be a point to go forward in any way. A couple of things that may be important to note are: 1) I am poor. I can not afford a lawyer in any way. 2) I don't care about getting money out of this situation. I loved my job, but would never go back with the current GM at that store. A satisfactory outcome would be getting my job back, though I don't see it as a likely outcome. 3) I suffer from a medical condition that causes severe pain. I've had two small surgeries and take multiple medications, including a small supply of opiates to mitigate the pain. I can't afford pain management, so I'm unable to work more than part time. 4) There is a lot of information relating to this situation. I will try to keep it as short as possible, but some nuance will be lost. If anyone wants me to elaborate on any topics, please ask and I will do so as soon as possible. Now, I'll get started.

My problems began, and I started recording my calls and meetings with my boss, when on a performance review, she stated that she had to lower some of my scores, because someone higher up had told her that she was giving too many people scores that were too good (Perfect reviews on most sections, I assume.) She said that it didn't really matter, but I pointed out that it was used to determine raises. At some point, either a little before or after this situation, I began having trouble with an employee. It's important to note that I was a shift manager at this store. This employee would disregard my requests constantly. It was mostly a lot of little "pushing the boundaries, but not really breaking them" things. He refused to follow uniform policy when I asked him to tuck his shirt in. He would put off work and sits down playing on his phone for between 1-2 hours on average everyday. He is rude to customers to the point that I've personally gotten many complaints about his behavior. I asked my manager to address these issues several times. I've personally tried both tough and kind ways of changing his behavior myself. My GM never dealt with this issue. It got to the point that a few days before I had to work with him one week, I had the first panic attack of my life and contacted my doctor on facebook asking for an early morning appointment. I was put on anxiety medications, which I stopped taking, because they made me feel bad.

There were many other issues. One of my assistants was originally rehired after being fired from another store for stealing money. She openly admitted this to me herself. I raised this issue with my DM when she was applying for the assistant manager position, however, they gave the position to her anyway. This worried me because she had access to the same safe that I did. My GM also punished me for correctly an employee who had be very rude to a customer on the phone and slammed the phone down. I simply told him that he couldn't talk to customers like that and if he had a "problem" customer, that he could simply put them on hold and I'd be happy to handle it myself. He said "I don't need this f**king job, I'll just walk out." He later told my boss that he wasn't being rude and that I was lying about that. She started leaving extra work for me everyday and openly stated this was because of that situation.

I'll move on to the endgame at this point, but there were many other small situations that relate to my accusation of harassment, mainly just being treated differently than others. One day I noticed that my hours were getting cut. It's important to note here that my boss is very friendly with the assistant manager and the merchandiser, all female. She cut my hours that week, but the next week she cuts my hours even more. Then she cut the hours of two of the full time male employees and her friends still had 40 hours/week. I found this to be unfair treatment. Then another employee told me that she said, "I have to give (the merchandiser) 40 hours a week, because she has to pay for her insurance. We all have bills. Coupled with everything else that had been going on, this was the last straw for me. I proceeded to file a complaint against my GM with HR.

That didn't go so well. The "investigation" was nothing more than a form that we had to fax back to corporate writing down answers to specific questions. The form was written with obviously custom questions that were related to my complaint, however it also included "gotcha" questions like, "Have you ever heard anyone curse?" When I saw that, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I filled out the form honestly, though, and gave it back to my GM so she could fax it back to corporate. This is the second issue with the "investigation." Even though my complaint was against the GM, she is the one that faxed it back. And when only one form needed an extra sheet of paper, it's pretty easy to figure out who was making the complaint. The entire process wasn't to protect me from harassment, it was designed to get rid of the complainant. I waited for the inevitable.

A couple of days later, when they were supposedly sending an "investigator" to the store, it turned out that he was simply my DM. He also didn't interview anyone, especially the couple of people who would have supported my side. He only wanted to talk to me and he issued me a ridiculous final written warning. They skipped several steps of their discipline policy, such as: 1) Verbal warning, 2) First written warning, and 3) Second written warning. I commented that I found this very odd, but I knew what was happening, especially after I read "There will be no further disciplinary action if you reach your performance goals." It's important to note that that wording effectively gives them reason to fire me for just about anything, because performance goals include so many different metrics that no one ever fully reaches. The a couple of weeks later, the electricity went out in my home and my family didn't wake me up until I was an hour late for work. I was sent home when I got there. I came back a few days later to work and was fired. The wrongful termination would be on the issue that the final written warning was wrongful, which they used to fire me.

Below, I will include a reply I made on the several issues they used to justify my final written. A couple of the reasons were in my opinion, insulting.

Final Written Reply (Pastebin)

I've recorded most of my calls and meetings with my managers and taken videos and pictures to document many of the issues in case I ever needed to defend myself. Louisiana is a one party state. While it is legal for me to record them, I understand the fickleness of recordings being allowed in court or not. Regardless, I sent one more e-mail to HR in the hopes of getting this situation reversed. However, it was sent early on the morning that I was fired. The day after I was fired, my DM spent all day in the office looking through paperwork with the door locked. He called me that same day offering me my job back, but at a different store. I can't do this, because I don't have reliable transportation at the moment. I got another call from who I believe to be another DM for the company, but I haven't be able to reach him to discuss the voicemail he left me and want he wanted. I assume they are trying to keep this from going to court. I can't afford a lawyer, so I can't really take this to court anyway. A worker told me that they're sending someone to the store on tuesday. I assume it's because they want to interview everyone and see if they can find anything bad about me. Considering the couple employees that wouldn't do their job, and the fact that my GM's friends always take her side, I'm sure they'll find something, if that's what they're doing.

I don't really know what to do from here. It's not a matter of money or suing them. I strongly believe in fairness and treating others equally. I feel they have failed on this part in every way during this entire process. I intend for my next step to be filing a complaint with the EEOC, but HR haven't responded with my request for copies of my termination paperwork. Again, I am sincerely sorry for the long read. I tried to cut it down as much as I could, but there's a lot going on here. Thank you for taking the time to read this and please give me your honest opinion. I'm not a lawyer, so I need any opinions anyone has on this subject. Thank you in advance.
 


Eekamouse

Senior Member
What is the name of your state? Louisiana

Hi! I'm currently going through some troubling issues and I'd like some advice. I'd just like to know what my options really are and if there would even be a point to go forward in any way. A couple of things that may be important to note are: 1) I am poor. I can not afford a lawyer in any way. 2) I don't care about getting money out of this situation. I loved my job, but would never go back with the current GM at that store. A satisfactory outcome would be getting my job back, though I don't see it as a likely outcome. 3) I suffer from a medical condition that causes severe pain. I've had two small surgeries and take multiple medications, including a small supply of opiates to mitigate the pain. I can't afford pain management, so I'm unable to work more than part time. 4) There is a lot of information relating to this situation. I will try to keep it as short as possible, but some nuance will be lost. If anyone wants me to elaborate on any topics, please ask and I will do so as soon as possible. Now, I'll get started.

My problems began, and I started recording my calls and meetings with my boss, when on a performance review, she stated that she had to lower some of my scores, because someone higher up had told her that she was giving too many people scores that were too good (Perfect reviews on most sections, I assume.) She said that it didn't really matter, but I pointed out that it was used to determine raises. At some point, either a little before or after this situation, I began having trouble with an employee. It's important to note that I was a shift manager at this store. This employee would disregard my requests constantly. It was mostly a lot of little "pushing the boundaries, but not really breaking them" things. He refused to follow uniform policy when I asked him to tuck his shirt in. He would put off work and sits down playing on his phone for between 1-2 hours on average everyday. He is rude to customers to the point that I've personally gotten many complaints about his behavior. I asked my manager to address these issues several times. I've personally tried both tough and kind ways of changing his behavior myself. My GM never dealt with this issue. It got to the point that a few days before I had to work with him one week, I had the first panic attack of my life and contacted my doctor on facebook asking for an early morning appointment. I was put on anxiety medications, which I stopped taking, because they made me feel bad.

There were many other issues. One of my assistants was originally rehired after being fired from another store for stealing money. She openly admitted this to me herself. I raised this issue with my DM when she was applying for the assistant manager position, however, they gave the position to her anyway. This worried me because she had access to the same safe that I did. My GM also punished me for correctly an employee who had be very rude to a customer on the phone and slammed the phone down. I simply told him that he couldn't talk to customers like that and if he had a "problem" customer, that he could simply put them on hold and I'd be happy to handle it myself. He said "I don't need this f**king job, I'll just walk out." He later told my boss that he wasn't being rude and that I was lying about that. She started leaving extra work for me everyday and openly stated this was because of that situation.

I'll move on to the endgame at this point, but there were many other small situations that relate to my accusation of harassment, mainly just being treated differently than others. One day I noticed that my hours were getting cut. It's important to note here that my boss is very friendly with the assistant manager and the merchandiser, all female. She cut my hours that week, but the next week she cuts my hours even more. Then she cut the hours of two of the full time male employees and her friends still had 40 hours/week. I found this to be unfair treatment. Then another employee told me that she said, "I have to give (the merchandiser) 40 hours a week, because she has to pay for her insurance. We all have bills. Coupled with everything else that had been going on, this was the last straw for me. I proceeded to file a complaint against my GM with HR.

That didn't go so well. The "investigation" was nothing more than a form that we had to fax back to corporate writing down answers to specific questions. The form was written with obviously custom questions that were related to my complaint, however it also included "gotcha" questions like, "Have you ever heard anyone curse?" When I saw that, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I filled out the form honestly, though, and gave it back to my GM so she could fax it back to corporate. This is the second issue with the "investigation." Even though my complaint was against the GM, she is the one that faxed it back. And when only one form needed an extra sheet of paper, it's pretty easy to figure out who was making the complaint. The entire process wasn't to protect me from harassment, it was designed to get rid of the complainant. I waited for the inevitable.

A couple of days later, when they were supposedly sending an "investigator" to the store, it turned out that he was simply my DM. He also didn't interview anyone, especially the couple of people who would have supported my side. He only wanted to talk to me and he issued me a ridiculous final written warning. They skipped several steps of their discipline policy, such as: 1) Verbal warning, 2) First written warning, and 3) Second written warning. I commented that I found this very odd, but I knew what was happening, especially after I read "There will be no further disciplinary action if you reach your performance goals." It's important to note that that wording effectively gives them reason to fire me for just about anything, because performance goals include so many different metrics that no one ever fully reaches. The a couple of weeks later, the electricity went out in my home and my family didn't wake me up until I was an hour late for work. I was sent home when I got there. I came back a few days later to work and was fired. The wrongful termination would be on the issue that the final written warning was wrongful, which they used to fire me.

Below, I will include a reply I made on the several issues they used to justify my final written. A couple of the reasons were in my opinion, insulting.

Final Written Reply (Pastebin)

I've recorded most of my calls and meetings with my managers and taken videos and pictures to document many of the issues in case I ever needed to defend myself. Louisiana is a one party state. While it is legal for me to record them, I understand the fickleness of recordings being allowed in court or not. Regardless, I sent one more e-mail to HR in the hopes of getting this situation reversed. However, it was sent early on the morning that I was fired. The day after I was fired, my DM spent all day in the office looking through paperwork with the door locked. He called me that same day offering me my job back, but at a different store. I can't do this, because I don't have reliable transportation at the moment. I got another call from who I believe to be another DM for the company, but I haven't be able to reach him to discuss the voicemail he left me and want he wanted. I assume they are trying to keep this from going to court. I can't afford a lawyer, so I can't really take this to court anyway. A worker told me that they're sending someone to the store on tuesday. I assume it's because they want to interview everyone and see if they can find anything bad about me. Considering the couple employees that wouldn't do their job, and the fact that my GM's friends always take her side, I'm sure they'll find something, if that's what they're doing.

I don't really know what to do from here. It's not a matter of money or suing them. I strongly believe in fairness and treating others equally. I feel they have failed on this part in every way during this entire process. I intend for my next step to be filing a complaint with the EEOC, but HR haven't responded with my request for copies of my termination paperwork. Again, I am sincerely sorry for the long read. I tried to cut it down as much as I could, but there's a lot going on here. Thank you for taking the time to read this and please give me your honest opinion. I'm not a lawyer, so I need any opinions anyone has on this subject. Thank you in advance.
There is no law that says employers have to be fair to their employees.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Nothing that you have posted suggests that you have any legal recourse or that any illegal harassment/discrimination has taken place.
 

commentator

Senior Member
When you are fired from a job, you should file for unemployment insurance, but that you are not able to work any more than part time is going to make it rather tricky to determine whether or not you will qualify due to availability, whether you have medical issues that keep you from being fully able and available for equivalent work, and then the issue of whether or not you were fired for a valid misconduct reason will enter into the determination. If you were terminated for performance issues, you have a chance that you might qualify for benefits after appeals, but if you were fired for attendance/tardiness issues, that won't be so good. Frankly, after wading through every single thing that was ever said to you and ever happened to you on the job I couldn't really tell much.

Except that I will tell you, you have no legal recourse for being treated unfairly on the job. There is no labor law that you can evoke, no way you could sue them and get your job back, there are simply no laws that forbid the employer from terminating an employee at will in your state, no rules regarding "fairness" or how the supervisor treats you, and nothing that says they can't do this or that to you. None of the things they have done sound like a violation of EEOC regulations and it does not sound as though there are any other issues you could legally pursue.

Your only recourse as I said is filing a claim for unemployment insurance benefits, which the U.I. agency in your state may approve and give to you if it can be shown that the employer fired you without a valid misconduct work related reason, and that you were given no opportunity to change your behaviors and keep your job. Regardless of where you were on the performance scale, when filing this claim, I'd always maintain when filing that I did my job to the best of my abilities and that I did not want to lose my job.

There is no downside to filing a claim for unemployment benefits. If you are approved, it does cost the company money, and that may be what they were trying to avoid when they spent all that time reviewing your situation and offered you another position with another store. NOT a legal case, but simply your being approved for unemployment benefits. I'd go on and do it, and then move on with my work search. It sounds as though you need to work, and you need to work on getting more reliable transportation and perhaps a job with less stress involved.
 

jbegould

New member
Hmm... Interesting. I'm fairly well versed in the labor laws (or lack there of) here, however, my issue was more about the final written warning, instead of the termination. I thought that since literally everything in the final written was lies, and was issued directly behind the obviously self-serving "investigative" process that openly identified me to the person I was complaining about, it would be considered retaliatory. And since it was used to terminate me after I was late to work (Electricity went out and my family thought I went in an hour later than I actually did) I thought that too would be wrongful on their part.

The thing is, if they had fired me stating it was for reporting my boss, that would certainly have been illegal. Is it seriously fine for a company to issue a final written, built on lies (which I can certainly prove for most points) and then make the corrective actions so vague as to be impossible to achieve? Also, the reason I said that they seemed to be protecting themselves against a legal suit is that I included some of the evidence I had that showed that their final written warning was nothing but lies. After I showed that to corporate, my old DM called me and was very nervous. I've never heard him stammer like that before. He was definitely worried about something. I've known the man for years and never seen him like this, even on the worst of days.

Anyway, I was gonna file a complaint against the company through EEOC, but if none of you think that proving the final written warning was retaliation is good enough, then I guess there's just no point. Thanks.
 

FlyingRon

Senior Member
They are not generally obliged to give you any warning. You can be fired at will, just as you can quit at will. As long as they aren't firing you for prohibited reasons (religion, race, making certain whistleblowing reports, ...), they are free to investigate to whatever level or not.

It is not illegal to fire you for "reporting your boss" in most cases. Again, they're free to "retaliate" for most behaviors provided it's not one prohibited by law.

You've not said anything that would lend us to believe there's illegal termination or a basis of an EEOC suit.
 

commentator

Senior Member
"... it would be considered retaliatory" and " they seemed to be protecting themselves against a legal suit."

By whom? No law says your company can't retaliate against you if you make them angry at you. There's only that they can't retaliate against you unless it is done based on your race, religious affiliation, sex, etc. The thing is, there is no law, no court, no agency that says you can't be treated like this. So what if your final warning was based on lies? Employers can fire you "at will." You are out there is nothing you can do but file for unemployment insurance. If it is determined that you were not fired for a valid misconduct reason, you may get approved for unemployment insurance.

"And since it was used to terminate me after I was late to work (Electricity went out and my family thought I went in an hour later than I actually did) I thought that too would be wrongful on their part."

Even the unemployment system will totally not care about a personal reason for being late for work. Nobody gives a rats patootie why you were out or late for work. America needs to fix this, but we are very unsympathetic about personal needs when they meet up with the employers self-serving need to have wages slaves at their disposal in today's work culture.
 
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cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Most discrimination is legal. Most "retaliation" is legal.

Post a link to the specific law that was violated here.
 

eerelations

Senior Member
Anyway, I was gonna file a complaint against the company through EEOC, but if none of you think that proving the final written warning was retaliation is good enough, then I guess there's just no point. Thanks.
The EEOC doesn't care whether your final written warning was retaliatory or not. The EEOC cares only if you were discriminated against based on things like your race, gender, religion, age (but only if you're over 40), and/or disability. On what basis do you believe your former employer discriminated against you?
 

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