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Nesto

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What is the name of your state? California

Here's the situation: My ex and I share 50-50 joint legal and physical custody. We have a 7 day every other week schedule for our kids. One week with me, one week with their mom.

My ex and I had an agreement (not signed, just a verbal arrangement) that during my week of parenting time she would care for our 2 DDs after school 2 - 3 days a week. She'd get them from school or the bus and have them at her house usually until about 4 or 5:30.

There have been some issues, mainly homework not getting done or forgetting things at their mom's house. I do worry that this arrangement makes my DDs feel like they "overnight borders" at my house sometimes.

IMO, my older DD has had a tough time of it. She's 12 and is starting to butt heads with mom more and more. There have been a few blow-ups between them, particularly over the last month or so - to the point where I'm getting calls from my DD crying about the fights (verbal, not physical) that they are having. I know there's some level of playing mom and dad off each other. She also has a pretty good load of homework now and often isn't finished it by the time I pick her up and very stressed about it.

Contrast that to the 2 or 3 days when she stays at school. Her middle school has a homework hour in the library (with at least one teacher available for turoring/homework help) for a hour after school each day. I am usually able to pick her up at the end of homework hour, but sometimes she'll need to go to the "student union" - basically after school care, monitored by high school students for 30 minutes to an hour. This time is purely social, very little school work would be done there. When I pick her up from the library or student union, she's relaxed and almost always done with all her homework.

I've finally decided that this arrangement with the BM isn't working well for my older DD. So until the end of the school year, I'm going to have my older DD go to homework hour every day and not her mom's. I'm still going to have my younger DD go to her mom's. BM is livid about it, even though this is a program that I'm having my older DD go to on my parenting time.

I'm sure I'm making the best decision for my older DD, but I wonder if there is any legal basis the BM would have for fighting this? In our MSA, we have a mediation clause, so that would be the likely venue if this escalates.

I can find only one section in my MSA (on ROFR) that might possible deal with this issue, but in my reading I don't think the homework hour would be considered child care, though the time at student might be. But it's such a short amount of time (30 - 60 mins); would it still fall under ROFR? I kind've wish we would have been more explicit in defining when ROFR comes into play, but here's the clause:

"In the event the party/parent who is scheduled to have custodial time with the chidren is not available to care for them, then the other parent shall be given the first option of caring for them. If the other parent is not available, then the parent who is regularly scheduled to have them shall make the arrangements with a 3rd part for their care in his/her absence."

Thanks in advance for any help.
 


Zephyr

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well if you get back into mediation- your concern about dd not getting her homework done will come out, then mom will say why it's not done, or what struggles she is having getting it done...have you sat down and talked with mom about why it's not getting done? then maybe both of you could talk to dd and address any issues and make it clear what's expected re homework? not exactly legal advice but.....you can at least get a step or two ahead of the ball before running to mediation
 

Nesto

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Zephyr said:
well if you get back into mediation- your concern about dd not getting her homework done will come out, then mom will say why it's not done, or what struggles she is having getting it done...have you sat down and talked with mom about why it's not getting done? then maybe both of you could talk to dd and address any issues and make it clear what's expected re homework? not exactly legal advice but.....you can at least get a step or two ahead of the ball before running to mediation
Thanks for the suggestion Zephyr, my ex and I generally get along well and talk well, until I disagree with her that is ;)

I know the general reasons why, but this is one of those cases that each day it's something else, IYKWIM. One day it's "Oh I had this special errand" another it's "Oh, Jamie invited us to go out."

The general reasons in my mind are priorities and transitions. As far as priorities, their BM doesn't put homework first, and not in an unreasonable way: "help me with the dogs, let's go see so-and-so, clean up your room" All chores or stuff that our girls SHOULD be doing during the weeks they are with her, but all things that mean they (but particularly my older DD) come to my house "worse off" homework and stress-wise than if she had gone to after-school homework hour.

And the second reason is just transistions. It's hard for any kids to keep track of their stuff. Adding my ex's house into the mix makes it just crazy for our kids. If you saw her house you'd know why ;-) It's a beautiful house in a beautiful neighborhood, but it's, shall we say, a pig sty. Not dangerous at all, not something I'd want to make an issue of (unless it gets worse or I really have to), just a big mess. One neighbor of her's I know well is getting pretty fed up with how the outside of the house looks. And some common friends we have won't even go into her house.
 

stealth2

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I have to wonder why, if she gets her homework done in an hour in afterschool care, she can't simply finish it in an hour when she gets home to you - if you pick them up at 5, there's still plenty of time (while you're preparing dinner, perhaps) for her to bang it out.
 
why can't she do her homework after you pick her up at 5:30? Is it really that big of a deal?i'm just thinking back to when i was that age, i never had my homework done that early, i totally goofed off until my mom came home from work around 7:00, then i finally got to work...

just my non-legal question... i have no idea if your ex could legally put up a fight over this or not...
 

Nesto

Junior Member
stealth2 said:
I have to wonder why, if she gets her homework done in an hour in afterschool care, she can't simply finish it in an hour when she gets home to you - if you pick them up at 5, there's still plenty of time (while you're preparing dinner, perhaps) for her to bang it out.
Once in a while that works ok, but she's a fairly busy young lady. Most of the year she has soccer practice 3 - 4 days a week from 5:30 - 7:30. We eat dinner when she gets home from practice and by then she has just enough time to shower and get to bed by 9:30 when she absolutely crashes to sleep.
 

Nesto

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texastepmom said:
why can't she do her homework after you pick her up at 5:30? Is it really that big of a deal?i'm just thinking back to when i was that age, i never had my homework done that early, i totally goofed off until my mom came home from work around 7:00, then i finally got to work...
See, that was me... I never got cranking until 8PM or later. But I was a night owl and could do homework well late. My DD is not a night owl. She's usually in bed and asleep before her 9 yo stepbrother and 8 yo sister.
 

LdiJ

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In all reality, if this were to get in front of a judge or mediator, both the judge and the mediator would agree that the kids should spend the after school time with mom rather than at school. Your reasons for wanting to make the change could easily seem petty to a judge or mediator.

There is no reason why your daughter's homework has to be finished before you pick her up.....and its trivial that things get left at mom's.

You are also violating the right of first refusal clause.
 

stealth2

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Nesto said:
Once in a while that works ok, but she's a fairly busy young lady. Most of the year she has soccer practice 3 - 4 days a week from 5:30 - 7:30. We eat dinner when she gets home from practice and by then she has just enough time to shower and get to bed by 9:30 when she absolutely crashes to sleep.
Must be different parenting styles - my kids know that homework gets done first. At 12 your daughter is old enough to own this problem - how does she get her homework done AND get to soccer during Mom's week?
 

Nesto

Junior Member
LdiJ said:
In all reality, if this were to get in front of a judge or mediator, both the judge and the mediator would agree that the kids should spend the after school time with mom rather than at school. Your reasons for wanting to make the change could easily seem petty to a judge or mediator.

There is no reason why your daughter's homework has to be finished before you pick her up.....and its trivial that things get left at mom's.

You are also violating the right of first refusal clause.
LdiJ,

Do I have a sucky ROFR clause, or are most that way? My ex and I have both generally used a subjective measure of how much time before giving each other ROFR. i.e., an hour with the next door neighbor = no ROFR, an evening through dinner-time = ROFR. I realize that's not how our ROFR was written, but are some written with more specific guidelines? I know it's not a big deal, but with as with most divorced parents, things work much more smoothly when clauses are specific.

And would the homework hour violate it? Or just the student union that I mentioned? I would have thought that the homework hour would be more in line with a sport, activity, tutoring, all of which I thought would not require a ROFR. Is that the case?
 
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Nesto

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stealth2 said:
Must be different parenting styles - my kids know that homework gets done first. At 12 your daughter is old enough to own this problem - how does she get her homework done AND get to soccer during Mom's week?
Good question! I don't know really, but I assume not having to make a transition over to my house gives her that extra time?

I quite agree, she does own her homework planning. I've just been hearing the flak from my DD "I didn't have enough time to get my homework done at mom's house because of [fill in the blank]."
 

stealth2

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Nesto said:
Good question! I don't know really, but I assume not having to make a transition over to my house gives her that extra time?
Honestly? How much of a "transition" is it?

Nesto said:
I quite agree, she does own her homework planning. I've just been hearing the flak from my DD "I didn't have enough time to get my homework done at mom's house because of [fill in the blank]."
This is an excuse on her part, IMO. If she were my kid, I'd tell her "sweetheart, you apparently have no problem managing your time when you're with Mom - I expect you to do the same during your weeks with me. I can help you figure out the best way to do that, but if you can't manage it, we may have to adjust your extracurriculars." And see how she flies with it.
 

Silverplum

Senior Member
Nesto said:
Good question! I don't know really, but I assume not having to make a transition over to my house gives her that extra time?

I quite agree, she does own her homework planning. I've just been hearing the flak from my DD "I didn't have enough time to get my homework done at mom's house because of [fill in the blank]."
In my world, sports come way, way behind schoolwork. School is #1. Everything revolves around that. Period.

If your kid/s can't handle school + sports, then the new equation should be: school.
 

Nesto

Junior Member
stealth2 said:
Honestly? How much of a "transition" is it?
Granted, it's not huge, but 1st she has to collect up all her work that she was doing at moms and pack it to go. Then we live about 20 mins away from her mom's. Then she has to unpack her work and get restarted. I'll bet it adds at least 40 minutes, maybe more. That's a lot for her on busy days.

stealth2 said:
This is an excuse on her part, IMO. If she were my kid, I'd tell her "sweetheart, you apparently have no problem managing your time when you're with Mom - I expect you to do the same during your weeks with me. I can help you figure out the best way to do that, but if you can't manage it, we may have to adjust your extracurriculars." And see how she flies with it.
Yeah, I try very hard not to get sucked into the inevitable playing mom and dad off each other. I think I'll use this and be more proactive about it. Right now, it's ad hoc and she'll have to miss practice if there's a heavy homework load.. and that's a meaningful consequence for her. She hates to miss practice.

I'm sure I'm getting suckered a bit on this one. But as it is, she's only had to skip soccer practice once to finish homework this school year when she's gone to homework hour. When she's gone to her mom's, it's happened many times.
 

Nesto

Junior Member
Silverplum said:
In my world, sports come way, way behind schoolwork. School is #1. Everything revolves around that. Period.

If your kid/s can't handle school + sports, then the new equation should be: school.
And I should be clear, she's a 4.0 student. Very serious about her school work as well as sports.
 
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