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josh'swife

Junior Member
Army Wife w/ AWOL question

What is the name of your state? NE

My husband is enlisted in the Army at Ft. Benning, GA in the infantry. He sustained a back injury while in Advanced Infantry Training, and couldn't finish. They had told us he would receive a medical discharge, claiming the injury had occured prior to enlistment, which is not true.

Now, they have changed their position and claim that the only way he's getting out is by graduating, and that they'll keep sending him through the last two weeks rotation until he can make the 14 mile walk with a 35 lb. rucksack. But his medical situation hasn't changed. they haven't even x-rayed him to find out what's wrong. They just keep medicating him for the pain, without even diagnosing the injury.

I am due to deliver our first baby in about three weeks and his Company Commander had told me he could arrange for Josh to come home for a couple weeks. Now he's saying that even if Josh is not in training, he won't be allowed to come home until he graduates.

My husband and I decided he should enlist for the medical benefits; our position has changed. We don't care anymore if the Army pays the hospital bills. It's not worth it if he can't even see his son. We want him out. What are the penalties of he goes AWOL? Do they really not go looking for soldiers who do? What other options do we have?
 
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lvn4ever

Member
josh's wife

Read all the post about AWOL. While it may seem like a solution right now, it has long lasting repurcussions. I know you are very concerned about the future of your child and your husband's actions will impact that life too.
Short term solutions often just cause long term problems.
 
One thing that is often missed in the legal advice forum is the obvious - if you (or someone you know) is thinking of committing a crime, don't do it. Desertion is a crime and it does have long lasting effects. Your husband could face a range of penalties ranging, it seems, from entry level separation to a little jail time. If I was in your husband's place and I had a wife and child to think about (and I do) I would suggest he stick with the Army. He has a chance there to provide you and your child with a secure future including housing, medical care, and if he sticks with it long enough, retirement and savings opportunities. AIT is not the Army and it will get better. His company commander may be using the opportunity to see you and your child as a motivational tool. You need to support your husband and help him make the right decision - which, I believe, is to finish AIT.
 

takestime959

Junior Member
Deal with it the correct way

I can understand your situation. But please understand, as long as he is in boot camp then he is in the military. This is good for him! He will get free health care. I also missed seeing my child’s birth due to me being overseas. Yea it sucks. But if he doesn’t finish boot camp then he will be ineligible for VA benefits unless the laws have changed. I know of one such case. I also know of a Marine who spent 8 months at boot camp due to an injury. Most of the time he was in the hospital, but he made it and was one hell of a Marine. Your husband can be put in the base hospital until he heals.
As far as going AWOL, it will follow him the rest of his life. It is the same as a felony on his record and he will be caught. You need to understand, he enlisted, so he needs to stick with it and try to deal with it the correct way.
 

canyonFF

Junior Member
I had a similar situation when in BCT at that very installation. I ripped a ligament in my shoulder, and while at times it was stressful, I persevered. Back Pain however can be another animal altogether. He needs to request that an evaluation be done. It's definatly thinkable that they would medicate him w/o a diagnosis, as mainly they are just trying to push people through the process. But if it is severe as you say, then it does need to get looked at. I'm not sure how it's handled in BCT, but in Permanent Duty the soldier has the RIGHT to a "Second Opinion." This means going to an outside source, and the army pays for it. But I think it has to be a "prefered" doctor. Or he can request to see the Chaplin, and tell him about it. It isn't necessarily procedure to go about things in this way, because it goes over alot of peoples head, but it will get the job done. Or he can request to speak to the Company Commander. Or Bring it up in one of the 4 or 5 commander interviews that I'm sure they still do. Where a commander will get the company together, send the NCO's out, and ask if everything is okay. Basically a dime-dropping session. Where generally nobody talks because they don't want to get others in trouble. But it will get the job done. DONOT!!! I REPEAT DO NOT ENCOURAGE HIM TO GO AWOL. that isn't even an option. okay? forget it, he can't do it. out of the picture. alright? It opens up a whole nother can of worms that just compounds the situation. Take it from me... as I have been that route. Encourage that he stick it out, and not act irrationally. He needs to fix the situation in BCT. You MUST be his motivation and support to stay in there during this rough time. as he will get himself into other problems by leaving. There are many other alternatives. He just needs to talk with some of these people, and if one won't listen, go to the next higher up commander. Though I would honestly refer the Chaplin route, though his DS's will probably yell at him for "not going to them directly," but nothing more. so start with the DSs', just mention it to them and if they say no, then that's when you ask to see either the CO or the Chpln. They cannot refuse that this meeting occurs. And they HAVE to allow it to occur by making sure the solider is able to get to that appointment. They'll probably see that he is serious about it then, and go ahead and knock out what needs to be done, w/o involving higher COC. i just want to say that a chaplin has NO authority to interfere with the C.O.C., but they can request things be done, and it then becomes and Officer asking for something other than an E1.
<b>Do not let your husband go AWOL, it is NOT a solution. It is NOT a solution. ever.</b> hope this helps
 
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josh'swife

Junior Member
Ok, first of all, thanks for the advice. I guess I should have been a little clearer: we DO want my husband out of the service, but when i asked about him going AWOL I meant for a brief period when his baby is born, not permanently. I don't want him out badly enough to have it following him forever. Also, while it's true that his Drill Officers and Company Commander can't legally stop him from getting medical / legal aide, they can, and have, made it as difficult as possible. I've contacted our senators, but I'm wondering, does that really help? Or does it just make it harder on the soldier?
 

lvn4ever

Member
a little time off

Re read the excellent advice you have been given regarding AWOL of ANY length. If your husband thinks basic is rough in any way now, he can COUNT on it being rougher if he goes AWOL. The powers that be don't take kindly to soldiers who "take a little time off" at their own discretion.

I was a military wife for over 20 years. Many women I knew had babies when their husbands were deployed or in military schools from which no leave was possible. It is HARD but there is a WHOLE LOT OF LIFE ahead of your family so do not mess it up at the start by adding AWOL to the mix.

Support your husband and encourage him to stay and work within the system for the long range benefit of your family. Seek other answers to the medical problem and his absence at the birth of your child. Going AWOL for even a "brief period" can give him a front row seat to a show he doesn't want to see.
 

canyonFF

Junior Member
Okay, this will probably be the last bit of info I could possibly give you.
Judging from your letters the guy is in AIT, his Drills should be stepping in to help him, and if they arn't it tells me that he isn't being seen as a "great" soldier. This doesn't mean he isn't, but drills are not heartless, they were once soldiers too. They are still NCO's who live by the NCO Creed. Their obligation to the U.S. Army is to make damn sure that all soldiers assigned underneath them are 100% ready-to-go at the drop of the hat, and that they have no problems that prevent them from being present for duty/ies.

Now it may very well be that "Josh" has gotten a little unmotivated with the Army, and has started to "Ride profile." I don't know the guy, I'm not there, so I could be wrong, but an NCO's job is to HELP SOLDIERS, not hinder. They may not just give him all their time and resources if they are unsatisfied with his performance. Now you said that you and your Husband both want him out of the service, I can almost guarantee he has become completely complacent and is spending more energy trying to get out than stay in. And if he could care so little for his military career, would you suppose that many others would either?

Disenfranching oneself with the army is one thing, and I believe your husband has done this. This is not to say he is worthless or the like, but that he should not expect everyone to hand walk documents around post, or bow out and give him everything that he FEELS he deserves. I saw it a million times in my time in the service. If a soldier becomes complacent and starts riding profile, nagging/whining and becoming more of a hinderance than anything else, then noones going to expedite anything. If Josh isn't giving the army 100%, IN ANYwAY he can, why should he expect the army give him 100%. The army may have obligations to a soldier, but a soldier has obligations to the army. This is not a one sided affair, it's a give and take relationship. You better believe they're going to do the work. But they are going to make it LAST priority.

Please understand I am not blasting on your husband, I don't know the particulars. I want to get you in the frame of mind you should be in for this situation, and explain the possible outlook the army (Josh's command) has on it. Sometimes people forget what the Army is, it is not some mystical force with a man draped in robes, it's PEOPLE. Regular joe smoes that did bct and operate a little higher than most civilians. It's family guys/gals. It's people. and people are knovn to take matters to heart. I would bet money they feel your husband is spending more time trying to get out than stay in. They are not obligated to help someone get out. They are obligated to help soldier's stay prepared and stay army. And if your husband doesn't want to do that, then he's on his own getting stuff done.

And talks of Awol, no matter how "slight" of an infraction you may think it to be, are going to dick him. A person is awol if their duty is at 10am and they arn't there at 10am and knew to be there at 10am. That is the cut and dry, punishable version. Does it matter if it was intentional? no. Does it make it worse if it was intentional? yes.
“Any member of the armed forces who, without authority—
(1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed; (2) goes from that place; or (3) absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
b. Elements.
(1) Failure to go to appointed place of duty.
(a) That a certain authority appointed a certain time and place of duty for the accused;
(b) That the accused knew of that time and place; and
(c) That the accused, without authority, failed to go to the appointed place of duty at the time prescribed.

Again please understand that I am trying to help you. I would believe your husband is looked at with tiring eyes, and if he starts messing around it's going to compound the situation. I can somewhat understand where his thoughts are, I was tired of the army at one point too, and that's one thing. Your husband, if able to hang in there, is going to probably get lucky and sooner or later get his medical discharge, and have no problems. But if he starts ****ing up, pardon my french, they are going to get even more tired of him, he's going to get even more tired of the army, and it's going to be an endless cycle with him on the losing side.

Your husband needs to present that he is going to give 100% to the last. Not be like "oh i don't care anymore, yada yada yada." Look AIT isn't "The army." You guys arn't living together yet. Yes it sucks in training because it's not "The army" yet. well maybe you are for an extended ait, i can't remember, but I don't think they give housing to guys in IET. But if he's able to tough it out, trust me it will get better. He'll be able to see his son, and you, and you can see him. IET sucks, and your husband hurt himself at a time that really sucks. But the situation is probably not as bad as the two of you contend, and, I'm sorry, but I'm assuming he is making harder. But again if he starts messing around going awol for that, or that. Stops following orders, and trust me that's the next step he's going to go to, it's just going to compound stuff.

It's possible that nobody thinks the injury is all that bad. If he can work through it he could go onto a sucessful career. If not, he can only make it worse. If I'm seriously wrong then he should go speak to TDS, problem is, and it sucks but it's true, most of the TDS officers are fresh out of the system, never taken anything to case and try to deal with issues at the lowest form possible. They are notorious for advising soldiers not to fight anything, even when maybe it could be argued they are not entirely at fault. That's the cold, hard truth. There is also the possiblity of IG, inspector general, but I'm not sure they would do all that much. again, no one can refuse your husband medical or legal care/advice. If they are trying to he needs to remain EXTREAMLY polite, respectful and with tact stay firm in his opinion. But if he's trying to use a small pain in his back to get out of the army, then he needs to understand that they know/believe he's trying to do that, and it's going to happen just not when HE feels it should happen, speed wise.

Look, your about to have a new baby, you need all the help you can get. Your husband needs to stay in, for as long as he can. He doesn't need to get into trouble and get out on a bad note. It may sound harsh, but sometimes to provide for a family, you can't see them all the time. You don't think missing births, birthdays, baseball games, parties, etcetc happens in the civil side too? It happens, just not so much in the military. In all honesty, Josh needs to do what he can to stay in. Your husbands first priority needs to be maintaining security, financial or otherwise, for his family.

To sum up:
He's going to get into trouble if he continues on the train of thought he's in.
Your husband is in IET, this is not permanant party, this is not "The army."
He doesn't need to go awol, for anything or any amount of time. (cold hard truth)
And while I'm sure you may think this is the worst possible thing that could happen, it's not.
He just hurt himself at a time when the MAIN PRIORITY is getting soldiers out of the training process, not out of the army.
An NCO's job is to Train, motivate, and rehabilitate, whether that soldier wants it or not is not the object. They may feel his injury is so slight, it's not something to contend with. They honestly don't want to see him get thrown out and become a slump. Your husband needs to realize they REALLY are looking out for his best interests IN THE ARMY. They want to see him have a sucessful career. and they are going to remain in that mindset until the very last, only Josh can **** it up.
You need to encourage your husband to stay in, bust his ass, give 110%, not go awol, no matter how much YOU want him too, BE PATIENT, and let the system work the problem.

Look I really am trying to help you out, I hate to see someone in a bad situation, but I'm assuming your husband may be making it alot worse. I hope all goes well, give it a little bit more time, you and your husband need to get out of the "The Army is the worst thing ever" mindset you are in. I guarantee, no other civil company is going to pay medical bills as early as IET. And know that if he stays in, it will get better.
 
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DeeLove67

Junior Member
Different Approach

josh'swife said:
What is the name of your state? PA

I have a different perspective on the entire situation than most of the other people on this site. Feel free to instant message me (aol screenname is DeeLove67) and we can talk. My husband went awol a couple months ago and is now home free...NO reprecussions. In fact, he didn't get an "other than honorable" or "dishonorable" discharge.
 

josh'swife

Junior Member
DeeLove67:

I don't have AOL instant messenger (or any instant message program for that matter), but I would like very much to talk with you. Please send me an e-mail @ [email protected]. That's my college address, and from there I can give you my personal one. I'd hate for people like CANYON to have direct access to my e-mail. What an a******! I don't want a damn lecture on how this is the best thing and that this is all our own fault and that the Army knows best. Bull****! Brainwashed parrot! All they can do is spout the same crap over and over.
 

militarybella

Junior Member
What an a******!
This is a typical response from someone who can't handle the truth.

I don't want a damn lecture on how this is the best thing and that this is all our own fault and that the Army knows best.

I don't think Canyon meant to give you a lecture I think he meant to help you out. The bottom line is that your husband is in a tough spot as are you. Basically his choices are a) go AWOL, and end up losing alot more time with his child in the near future (regardless of what anyone says, we are in the middle of a war and he will be punished to the fullest extent allowable, which poses a whole other set of problems) b)Finish AIT, no matter how tough it may be, and wait until he is permanent party to pursue a discharge where people will likely be more understanding (the truth is if his injury was as bad as you say it is he would have already been discharged, the Army eliminates unqualified people at the earliest stage possible) or c) Keep complaining and hope that someday, someone will listen to him and let him out (highly unlikely) I can guarantee you that unless he goes AWOL he will not be home for the birth of your child, if him being home was so important you should've planned accordingly and waited for the birth of your child to occur before he joined.

Bull****! Brainwashed parrot! All they can do is spout the same crap over and over.

As far as this comment, I don't think it is right for any person to make such an unfounded, untrue, BS statement about a soldier or any military person, let alone a person who has not served. I don't think a brainwashed parrot has the ability to defend our country, or your freedom for that matter. Perhaps you should move to another country where your freedoms are ensured by something other than a brainwashed parrot.

The bottom line is that you need to accept the cold, hard facts as you are only delaying the inevitability of what is about to happen. More than that you need support and a little reassurance that everything is going to be okay. After all the army does deploy and your husband would've eventually missed out on other key events (holidays, first birthday, etc) what exactly were you planning to do then??
 

canyonFF

Junior Member
well well well

man... go to mexico for a few days come back and people are trying to cast stones at you. What is wrong with the world?

I don't really know where to start. So I guess I'll start by saying thanks to militarybella for trying to explain where I was comming from. Ok let's go to the quotes!

I'd hate for people like CANYON to have direct access to my e-mail. What an a******!
You could have had your private email address plastered all over your post begging me to contact you and I wouldn't have. If I can't say it on this board, I'm not going to say it. And why would you assume that I even would contact you in that medium? What do you mean "people like canyon?" I guess your infering the people that were in the military for an extended period of time, not someone whose brothers-second cousins-aunt-on his dads side-son was in the army for 30 days and because of this, and some crack phone center, are SME's on all things military. Or did you just mean a******s? These must be the people who have knowledge on a subject and tell other people, who are looking for a quick and easy way out, that there is probably no such thing.

I don't want a damn lecture on how this is the best thing and that this is all our own fault and that the Army knows best.
Who was lecturing? Be there no mistake, you came here asking for help. I tried to explain to you a possible scenario of what's going on, so that you can understand the commands possible train of thought. Also, this is your husbands fault. Was he ordered to hurt his back? probably not. I looked in all my posts and I couldn't find where I said "The army knows best."

Brainwashed parrot! All they can do is spout the same crap over and over.
brainwashed parrot? Not I. I am a free thinking individual. But I am at a loss. See when I was in the army, for more than a month, I became familiar with how it operates. Pulling from this experience, and judging by what you said, I can tell you, the command doesn't like the guy. I never once saw them refuse medical care to anyone. But when they saw some trying to get a medical separation for a papercut, they generally tried to not waste the medical staffs time, thus enabling that staff to spend more time on people that are ACTUALLY hurt. But maybe his command is wrong. Maybe his back injury is so bad that it prevents him from requesting to go the post library/learning center and getting on a computer and actually coming to this board and explaining what is actually going on... not thru a middle-man, or woman. And maybe the reason people "spout the same crap over and over" is because that's actually what's going to happen. If you want to listen to Deelove and her superdupermagic30daygetoutofthearmyforfree "Trick" go right ahead. Just please don't come crying and asking what happened when it blows up in your face.
Eventually your husband will nag people enough and get his medical discharge, but if he continually screws up along the way, he probably won't. That's what I been trying to tell you. I never said stay in the army for eternity. I said "In all honesty, Josh needs to do what he can to stay in. Your husbands first priority needs to be maintaining security, financial or otherwise, for his family." Let's break that down, shall we?
1st sentence. I meant he needs to quit ****ing around for awhile, do what he needs to do, pass the time and get his medical discharge.
2nd sentence. Yes, that meant the army for a short time. But if he want;s to **** up and get out so bad he needs to realize that an OTH isn't the greatest thing. Some people are lucky in that it is never a factor, others arn't. He needs to be thinking down the FRIGGING LINE!!!! It's evident his army career is over! he's going to do anything he can to get out. He, and you, need to FREAKIN THINK aBOUT DOWN THE FREAKIN ROAD! God, your about to have a kid. You think working at McDonalds is going to provide for your family? You think an established business wants to hire an OTH? And your in college. You may very well be on a scholarship or something, but WHY or WHY get in such a rush to get out when something is going to pay for one of the bigger expenses (baby) in your life at this time?

You came to this site looking for some simple quick fix. and I think enough people told you it probably wasn't the case. And I actually went in depth to try and let you in on how the army views these cases, and therefore you could examine the situation, try and find a way to survive in "the depression" long enough that your husband is able to get out on good terms. Your sheer ignorance concerning the army has led you to believe that I was some brainwashed parrot attacking you and your husband, when I was actually trying to help you. If you think Deelove has the magic answers go ahead and listen to her CRIMINAL advice. And the G.I. Rights hotline? They may be right most of the time, but when I called them during my situation, nothing they told me happened. There were wrong in every aspect of their "analysis," save for they did say that JAg would tell me to sign a Chapter10, and that did happen. So no they are not 100% right on all the procedures. All the other stuff I said in that post was for informational purposes so that You could understand the army a little bit better. But it's evident you need someone to sit and explain every aspect of every detail for you in terms that isn't "offensive" to you. Ask your husband to get on a computer and come here himself so that people can actually see what's going on in his case and offer him advice relative to his case, not you tainting stuff then reporting back to him or us. Middle-men! sheesh.

Bull****!
Your finally right! and your full of it! Have a good life!

p.s. Please read the post on here "going to throw this out there for you Awol guys" and see where me and like 3 other people ripped deeloves little "Trick," as she calls it (laugh), apart. There is not one person here, me, her, the army, you, your husband, or the G.I. rights hotline that has every answer at anytime. So don't plan your life around some long shot. Please
 
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lvn4ever

Member
military wife needs help

canyonff-Your posts come out of personal experience-both good and bad. You were in the military for far more than basic/AIT so you know what a regular unit is like and how the big green machine grinds along. Evidently you also went AWOL so you have that to draw from. You have given good, grounded advice and I, for one, appreciate you trying to give a fair, balanced and educated explanation of options for this guy. The sad thing is that some people just continue to shop for opinions until they get the one they want. This can drive a person to take an opinion from someone who is nearly totally unknowledgable.

I was appalled at DeeLove's post about easy outs and "no repurcussions". She was drawing on her vast experience of one mans very recent story. Please! As an Army wife ( my husband served over 20 years) I bet i have "forgotten more about the Army than she knows" but I don't say this with any smugness. When dealing with the AWOL situation that affected our family, I again came to realize that the MORE you know, the MORE you realize you don't know very much!

As I share on this forum all the info I gathered during our drama, it boils down to :
If you are considering AWOL, stop. AWOL only makes things more complicated in the long run.

GO BACK. Surrender is 100% than apprehension.

Be prepared for the possibility of a WIDE VARIETY of things happening. Some of the consequences of AWOL may be driven by such seredipitous factors as if the Commanders spouse burnt the toast that morning.

From my interaction with GI RIGHTS HOTLINE, they are very personable, dedicated, sympathetic people. HOWEVER, when I asked, I was told that they maintained no significant, imperical follow up data...meaning statistics/figures on if their advice panned out....if they say you will be outprocessed in ten days, for how many was this true? If they say you WILL get an OTH, no prosecution, for how many was THAT true. The Ft. Benning JAG office provided me with HARD numbers regarding number of AWOLS from Benning and how many of those were prosecuted. **While it was clearly the minority, if you are one of the people in that minority, isn't that pretty significant??

Some posters write about execution being the penalty for desertion during a time of war. This also is hogwash, as you well know. When was the last time a soldier was executed for desertion??? BUT one would think that that the idea of defaulting on a promise to your country plus the potential threat of prosecution/confinement and/or having an OTH in your closet (and potentially on a job application) would be enough to give a person with a healthy conscience pause.

Perhaps 20 years from now, I'll see a website where people who went AWOL in these years can post and reflect on how their actions affected their lives. I close with the following quote from a man who went AWOL some years ago:

As you could tell, I wasn't trying to
sugar-coat my actions, nor place blame where it shouldn't be. It was my
hope that the many young people in the position of contemplating going AWOL
would read my comments, and get some grasp of the big picture for their
lives, and not just the present. Unfortunately, I feel because of today's
instant gratification society, young people aren't the least concerned about
their long-term future, nor the ramifications their actions will have on
their family, or families-to-be.

I certainly grew as a person, and have a wonderful life, and I believe it's
because of my failures as a young adult, not in spite of them. I realized
every action I chose affects many, many down the line, directly and
indirectly. I became a more responsible member of society, but I fear that
those who choose the easy way out will, as they've posted on the forum, make
excuses for themselves, take no responsibility, and live a life of lies.

While I can't say what kind of person I would have turned out to be had I
not done what I did, I will continue to regret it for my lifetime, and
strongly urge against it all those who are considering it. I stopped
posting on XXXXXXXX, and stopped reading it, as it seemed all who
ventured there were only concerned with the easy way out, and not a solution
to their problems.
 
Lemme tell ya a lil bout goin awol

listen, all of this "jail time" and stuff for goin awol is BS. i was awol for 57 days, turned myself into Ft. Sill, and was out within a week just waiting on my discharge papers. this is not "war time" so they cant shoot you or anything. if anyone wants outta tha military, going awol for more than 30 days and less than 190 days is the easiest way out. you get an "other than honerable" discharge, and it can be upgraded to "honerable" after six months. dont let these fools fool you. awol isint really that bad, they really dont come looking for you. you can email me at [email protected] if u want for more info. later.
 

canyonFF

Junior Member
ignorant mother.....

hey hero, I think your on the wrong thread. Running4freedom, your post on this thread was about as pointless as the one you put in the other thread. It took me a while to decide if I even wanted to waste my time replying to this idiodic rambling, but, for the kids out there, I decided I would go ahead and rip your post to shreads so that nobody reads it and thinks theirs any proof to it. First off, the army has, is and will continue to prosecute some of its AWOL cases. So don't think everybody won't face any jail time, because some people do draw the lucky number and get hit with the S***stick. But your right about one thing. If you are one of the majority to get out with a Chpt. 10, which is RE-4, KFS (for the good of the service, inlieu of trial by CM) and OTH, than yes after you come back it might take only a week to get processed out. It takes a few days for the command to review, agree or disagree to the Request, and ultimately accept or revoke it. Then you are given 72 hours to clear post, not including weekends, DONSAs or holidays. Good job you get 1 gold star for being right.
All I can say about your talking about "war time" is "uuuummmm. okay." The post before you indicated that this was innaccurate in a manner extreamely more clear and concise than your "they can't shoot you or anything." Whoaaa real informative. But I'm sure you were simply just reiterating (that means restating) what has already been said, right?
Secondly, and this is micro anaylizing the situation, but you don't "GET" an OTH, you Request it (and/or a general). Before you say it doesn't matter, hold that thought, because it makes a load of difference.
Also, you used the wrong verb, instead of "can get upgraded 'honerable' after six months" let's go ahead and make it "could get upgraded." This 6 month time table that the uninformed seem to believe is set in stone somewhere is a rumor, a.k.a. B.S. So go ahead and forget that "6 month" time table. It's lore of the uninformed passed through the generations of the military by Barracks Lawyers. You COULD apply to the ADRB the second you get out of the military if you wanted to, there is no "minimum time waited" rule.
I think this 6 month period comes from actual re-enlistment regulations that some services have for certain REcodes. Before you ask, an RE4 from active duty Army, CANNOT get into any service, active or reserve, BARNONE. Up until last October you could get into the NAVAL Reserve with a waiver, but when they consolidated recruiting efforts with active duty, many reserve policies were changed, or made void, to agree with Active duty regulations. The RE4 Waiver was one of them. So you can't get into the Navy, Army, Marines or Airforce, any form or fashion of them.
The chapter 10 even states that the signer acknowledges that there is no mandatory upgrade or review procedure, but they may apply to the 2 boards. But that any change or consideration is left solely the boards. So let me drop some knowledge on you, remember that OTH you REQUESTED? If you don't, the ADRB does. The Chapter 10 is a request. You admited quilt, and you requested the discharge. Fair and proper according to the ADRB, and generally the BCMR. Very few chapter 10's get changed. Actually it's less than very few. You want to look at how many get changed? go to the ADRB's website, they have caselogs of every packet that came to them for the fiscal year, and a few years prior. Read about 10-20 of these and tell me if you still think these an "automatic" upgrade to honorable, ok champ. That isn't to say some don't get changed, but those that do are HIGHLY IRREGULAR cases. Not the regular "screwup-went-awol-and-is-begging-to-change-it-now" cases.
Don't let these fools fool you? Fool, you fooled yourself if you think that pathetic post is accurate. This thread is about a guy that is "hurt," and if he can maintain an appearance that he isn't a ragbag and is a genuinly injured soldier long enough, he may get a medical discharge. Which is wholely honorable. Not enticing him with easy-outs and dirtydicking himself in the long run with a chapter 10, which is well..... less than stellar I shall say. Awol isn;t that bad, IN SOME CASES, not everyone. Most of the time it just adds to the ****list and makes people more annoyed with the person. This inturn makes them want to nail the guy on a cross even more. Great advice, real good job of setting someone up for failure. Hey why don't you go for the gold and encourage him to shoot someone. He'll be out of the army real fast then... maybe you could even help him out since your such a SME on the rules and regulations. You could also let him know that with a chapter 10 he'll probably lose all his benefits, GIbill, lifeinsurance all that stuff gone. And also that he should have a job lined up already, because he probably won't qualify for unemployment because a chapter 10 is equated to "getting fired" in most, if not all, states.
Stellar post hero, real, real informative. I thought I was reading 50cent lyrics for awhile there. If I was inclined to, I would email you... a copy of the regulations concerned and a Chapter 10 so you could read for yourself, the document you signed no less, and see for yourself how dumb you look saying something completely irrelavant to it. But I'm not so inclined. Give me back the gold star, you get no gold stars.
 

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