-
FreeAdvice has a new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, effective May 25, 2018.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our Terms of Service and use of cookies.
Accident - Bankruptcy - Criminal Law / DUI - Business - Consumer - Employment - Family - Immigration - Real Estate - Tax - Traffic - Wills Please click a topic or scroll down for more.
I AM ALWAYS LIABLE
Senior Member
luhmuh said:
My response:
We did read the "facts" and saw through them, and your motivation. Hey, Luhmuh - - you forgot to put an "x" at the end of your forum name.
IAAL
BelizeBreeze
Senior Member
Now isn't that funny. There is a LAW for this? I won't hold my breath for lummox to come back and give the citation for this supposed LAW
L
luhmuh
Guest
Senate Bill 37
Please inform yourself before posting.
Senate Bill 37 Section 3313.535, Enacted by the General Assembly Of The Sate Of Ohio.
Reads as follows:
"Interscholastic extracurricular activity" means a pupil activity program that a school or school district sponsors or participates in and that includes participants from more than one school or school district. "Interscholastic extracurricular activity" does not include any activity included in the school district's graded course of study.
This bill was passed in 1999. Since Band is NOT an Interscholastic extracurricular activity, and IS a graded course of study..(1 Credit) I believe I have made my point. There is a reason why one can't put an eligibility on a GRADED course of study...you can't have it both ways. EXAMPLE: an athlete IS under an eligibility requirement, and then the school also gives him a grade for his performance or lack of, at Friday nights game. He missed the play, he gets an F...Now I have given the facts, and what Senate Bill 37 says..I can't do much more than that. Class dismissed.
Please inform yourself before posting.
Senate Bill 37 Section 3313.535, Enacted by the General Assembly Of The Sate Of Ohio.
Reads as follows:
"Interscholastic extracurricular activity" means a pupil activity program that a school or school district sponsors or participates in and that includes participants from more than one school or school district. "Interscholastic extracurricular activity" does not include any activity included in the school district's graded course of study.
This bill was passed in 1999. Since Band is NOT an Interscholastic extracurricular activity, and IS a graded course of study..(1 Credit) I believe I have made my point. There is a reason why one can't put an eligibility on a GRADED course of study...you can't have it both ways. EXAMPLE: an athlete IS under an eligibility requirement, and then the school also gives him a grade for his performance or lack of, at Friday nights game. He missed the play, he gets an F...Now I have given the facts, and what Senate Bill 37 says..I can't do much more than that. Class dismissed.
stealth2
Under the Radar Member
That definition is for the purposes of that one bill ONLY - which is stated clearly in the bill. In addition, it does NOT preclude a school district from including graded classes should it so choose. You'll also note that your bill requires that the GPA for eligibility be 2.0 out of a possible 4.0, but does NOT preclude a school disrtict from setting a more stringent requirement.
I would imagine that Math League would carry an eligibility requirement that you're passing Math, wouldn't you?
I would imagine that Math League would carry an eligibility requirement that you're passing Math, wouldn't you?
You Are Guilty
Senior Member
I'm too busy to chase down that bill, but can someone confirm if it is, in fact, a "bill"?
If it is, I must again refer to a very technical and complicated explanation of the problem, so be sure to read it slowly and even multiple times if necessary.
Click here
If it is, I must again refer to a very technical and complicated explanation of the problem, so be sure to read it slowly and even multiple times if necessary.
Click here
stealth2
Under the Radar Member
L
luhmuh
Guest
Reguarding Curriculum VS Extracurricular
Here is another, which states that fine arts or MUSIC be included as a requirement. Our school is an Exempted Village School District, music is part of the curriculum, and Marching Band is co-curricular, meaning "a grade is attached"
§ 3313.60. Required curriculum; requirements for promotion to ninth grade and for graduation from high school.
Notwithstanding division (D) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code, divisions (A) to (E) of this section do not apply to any cooperative education school district established pursuant to divisions (A) to (C) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code.
(A) The board of education of each city and exempted village school district, the governing board of each educational service center, and the board of each cooperative education school district established pursuant to section 3311.521 [3311.52.1] of the Revised Code shall prescribe a curriculum for all schools under their control. Except as provided in division (E) of this section, in any such curriculum there shall be included the study of the following subjects:
(1) The language arts, including reading, writing, spelling, oral and written English, and literature;
(2) Geography, the history of the United States and of Ohio, and national, state, and local government in the United States, including a balanced presentation of the relevant contributions to society of men and women of African, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and American Indian descent as well as other ethnic and racial groups in Ohio and the United States;
(3) Mathematics;
(4) Natural science, including instruction in the conservation of natural resources;
(5) Health education, which shall include instruction in:
(a) The nutritive value of foods, including natural and organically produced foods, the relation of nutrition to health, the use and effects of food additives;
(b) The harmful effects of and legal restrictions against the use of drugs of abuse, alcoholic beverages, and tobacco;
(c) Venereal disease education, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in venereal disease education;
(d) In grades kindergarten through six, instruction in personal safety and assault prevention, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in personal safety and assault prevention.
(6) Physical education;
(7) The fine arts, including music;
(8) First aid, including a training program in cardiopulmonary resuscitation, safety, and fire prevention, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
(B) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, every school or school district shall include in the requirements for promotion from the eighth grade to the ninth grade one year's course of study of American history.
(C) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, every high school shall include in the requirements for graduation from any curriculum one unit of American history and government, including a study of the constitutions of the United States and of Ohio.
(D) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, basic instruction in geography, United States history, the government of the United States, the government of the state of Ohio, local government in Ohio, the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, and the Constitution of the state of Ohio shall be required before pupils may participate in courses involving the study of social problems, economics, foreign affairs, United Nations, world government, socialism and communism.
(E) For each cooperative education school district established pursuant to section 3311.521 [3311.52.1] of the Revised Code and each city, exempted village, and local school district that has territory within such a cooperative district, the curriculum adopted pursuant to divisions (A) to (D) of this section shall only include the study of the subjects that apply to the grades operated by each such school district. The curriculums for such schools, when combined, shall provide to each student of these districts all of the subjects required under divisions (A) to (D) of this section.
(F) The board of education of any cooperative education school district established pursuant to divisions (A) to (C) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code shall prescribe a curriculum for the subject areas and grade levels offered in any school under its control.
(G) Upon the request of any parent or legal guardian of a student, the board of education of any school district shall permit the parent or guardian to promptly examine, with respect to the parent's or guardian's own child:
(1) Any survey or questionnaire, prior to its administration to the child;
(2) Any textbook, workbook, software, video, or other instructional materials being used by the district in connection with the instruction of the child;
(3) Any completed and graded test taken or survey or questionnaire filled out by the child;
(4) Copies of the statewide academic standards and each model curriculum developed pursuant to section 3301.079 [3301.07.9] of the Revised Code, which copies shall be available at all times during school hours in each district school building.
Here is another, which states that fine arts or MUSIC be included as a requirement. Our school is an Exempted Village School District, music is part of the curriculum, and Marching Band is co-curricular, meaning "a grade is attached"
§ 3313.60. Required curriculum; requirements for promotion to ninth grade and for graduation from high school.
Notwithstanding division (D) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code, divisions (A) to (E) of this section do not apply to any cooperative education school district established pursuant to divisions (A) to (C) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code.
(A) The board of education of each city and exempted village school district, the governing board of each educational service center, and the board of each cooperative education school district established pursuant to section 3311.521 [3311.52.1] of the Revised Code shall prescribe a curriculum for all schools under their control. Except as provided in division (E) of this section, in any such curriculum there shall be included the study of the following subjects:
(1) The language arts, including reading, writing, spelling, oral and written English, and literature;
(2) Geography, the history of the United States and of Ohio, and national, state, and local government in the United States, including a balanced presentation of the relevant contributions to society of men and women of African, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and American Indian descent as well as other ethnic and racial groups in Ohio and the United States;
(3) Mathematics;
(4) Natural science, including instruction in the conservation of natural resources;
(5) Health education, which shall include instruction in:
(a) The nutritive value of foods, including natural and organically produced foods, the relation of nutrition to health, the use and effects of food additives;
(b) The harmful effects of and legal restrictions against the use of drugs of abuse, alcoholic beverages, and tobacco;
(c) Venereal disease education, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in venereal disease education;
(d) In grades kindergarten through six, instruction in personal safety and assault prevention, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in personal safety and assault prevention.
(6) Physical education;
(7) The fine arts, including music;
(8) First aid, including a training program in cardiopulmonary resuscitation, safety, and fire prevention, except that upon written request of the student's parent or guardian, a student shall be excused from taking instruction in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
(B) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, every school or school district shall include in the requirements for promotion from the eighth grade to the ninth grade one year's course of study of American history.
(C) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, every high school shall include in the requirements for graduation from any curriculum one unit of American history and government, including a study of the constitutions of the United States and of Ohio.
(D) Except as provided in division (E) of this section, basic instruction in geography, United States history, the government of the United States, the government of the state of Ohio, local government in Ohio, the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, and the Constitution of the state of Ohio shall be required before pupils may participate in courses involving the study of social problems, economics, foreign affairs, United Nations, world government, socialism and communism.
(E) For each cooperative education school district established pursuant to section 3311.521 [3311.52.1] of the Revised Code and each city, exempted village, and local school district that has territory within such a cooperative district, the curriculum adopted pursuant to divisions (A) to (D) of this section shall only include the study of the subjects that apply to the grades operated by each such school district. The curriculums for such schools, when combined, shall provide to each student of these districts all of the subjects required under divisions (A) to (D) of this section.
(F) The board of education of any cooperative education school district established pursuant to divisions (A) to (C) of section 3311.52 of the Revised Code shall prescribe a curriculum for the subject areas and grade levels offered in any school under its control.
(G) Upon the request of any parent or legal guardian of a student, the board of education of any school district shall permit the parent or guardian to promptly examine, with respect to the parent's or guardian's own child:
(1) Any survey or questionnaire, prior to its administration to the child;
(2) Any textbook, workbook, software, video, or other instructional materials being used by the district in connection with the instruction of the child;
(3) Any completed and graded test taken or survey or questionnaire filled out by the child;
(4) Copies of the statewide academic standards and each model curriculum developed pursuant to section 3301.079 [3301.07.9] of the Revised Code, which copies shall be available at all times during school hours in each district school building.
L
luhmuh
Guest
Obviously a threat and not a promise.luhmuh said:
If a band student can't get at least a D in all of their courses, they don't need to be in a marching band because they don't have the necessary intelligence or coordination rquired to follow instructions or memorize the complicated formations a marching band does in competition. You don't want the Sousaphone player slaming into your featured fife player jamming their teeth down their throat, do you
If you lose or inspire the dead wood then the band director is playing with a known quanitity and highly unlikely that they would be featuring a nitt witt who can't play their part anyway and will be eliminating big headaches for the director. Even if they are outwardly opposing this policy they are possibly behind it's stringent requirements because they are tired on lazy students thinking band is a place where they can gen an easy grade or the narcissist who thinks they make the uniform look good.
Most kids in marching bands have good grades.
L
luhmuh
Guest
First Of All.........
First of all let me say that you are simply MISSING THE POINT! The point IS this!
You cannot place an eligibility requirement on a graded course of study! If we had a Volunteer band, you could, but we dont. They go to class just like they do for math, science, english..they also take tests just like all the other classes, and they also get a grade on their report card.
My own personal opinon of the schools eligibility requirement of 1.0 is a laugh, knowing full well that a 1.0 is D's and that is suppose to make kids achieve higher? The school has always had an eligibility policy,for athletes but NEVER A WEEKLY ONE. And never INCLUDED BAND. The old policy was if an Athlete got a D and F on thier last report card, they could still play, but if they got 2 F's they had to sit out 9 weeks. They REwrote the policy in two parts, one for students, one for "Athletes in season", all follow WEEKLY eligibility requirements, those students who are not in season "Athletes" and get a bad grade, are ineligible for extracurricular activites. Athletes in season, who get a bad grade, are NEVER INELIGIBLE, but are assigned more work. THE SCHOOL REWROTE THIS POLICY SO THAT THEIR ATHLETES COULD ALWAYS REMAIN ELIGIBLE. WHY? BECAUSE THEIR SPORTS PROGRAM IS FALLING APART AND THEIR STAR PLAYERS ARE SITTING THE BENCH FOR 9WEEKS. THIS REWRITTEN POLICY, ONCE PASSED NOW GIVES THEM A BETTER CHANCE OF ALWAYS BEING ELIGIBLE WEEKLY, INSTEAD OF SITTING OUT FOR THE WHOLE 9WEEKS. I have spoke with Ohio Department Of Education, Ohio Music Federation, and more, and they all say that the school is WRONG....Marching Band students are NOT considered Athletes. Band class is NOT an extracurricular activity. Marching band is C0-CURRICULAR!
First of all let me say that you are simply MISSING THE POINT! The point IS this!
You cannot place an eligibility requirement on a graded course of study! If we had a Volunteer band, you could, but we dont. They go to class just like they do for math, science, english..they also take tests just like all the other classes, and they also get a grade on their report card.
My own personal opinon of the schools eligibility requirement of 1.0 is a laugh, knowing full well that a 1.0 is D's and that is suppose to make kids achieve higher? The school has always had an eligibility policy,for athletes but NEVER A WEEKLY ONE. And never INCLUDED BAND. The old policy was if an Athlete got a D and F on thier last report card, they could still play, but if they got 2 F's they had to sit out 9 weeks. They REwrote the policy in two parts, one for students, one for "Athletes in season", all follow WEEKLY eligibility requirements, those students who are not in season "Athletes" and get a bad grade, are ineligible for extracurricular activites. Athletes in season, who get a bad grade, are NEVER INELIGIBLE, but are assigned more work. THE SCHOOL REWROTE THIS POLICY SO THAT THEIR ATHLETES COULD ALWAYS REMAIN ELIGIBLE. WHY? BECAUSE THEIR SPORTS PROGRAM IS FALLING APART AND THEIR STAR PLAYERS ARE SITTING THE BENCH FOR 9WEEKS. THIS REWRITTEN POLICY, ONCE PASSED NOW GIVES THEM A BETTER CHANCE OF ALWAYS BEING ELIGIBLE WEEKLY, INSTEAD OF SITTING OUT FOR THE WHOLE 9WEEKS. I have spoke with Ohio Department Of Education, Ohio Music Federation, and more, and they all say that the school is WRONG....Marching Band students are NOT considered Athletes. Band class is NOT an extracurricular activity. Marching band is C0-CURRICULAR!
L
luhmuh
Guest
Marching Band
Marching Band students do not have to have a physical. Also, I would like to end this all by giving you this example:
Science is a class, you get grades in.
Music is a class you get grades in.
Marching Band contest you get grades in.
The school places an eligiblity requirement on all students, if you get a D in any 5 classes you become ineligible you cannot participate in extracurricular activities.
Marching is co-curricular, but the school dosent care, and says its extracurricular.
John who plays in the band gets a D on his report card, making him ineligible for Saturdays contest.
John's brother gets a D on his report card in Science. He is suppose to go on a science trip tomorrow, where afterwards he will be graded on things he did in the field.
This new policy says that band student John, even though he gets a grade for Saturday contest... can't go, but Johns brother can go on his field trip....Odd...isent it? And lets not forget John the Band student who is ineligble, cant go to Saturday contest, but is REQUIRED to play at the Friday night 1/2 time show! Explain that to me..because I do not see the difference......
Marching Band students do not have to have a physical. Also, I would like to end this all by giving you this example:
Science is a class, you get grades in.
Music is a class you get grades in.
Marching Band contest you get grades in.
The school places an eligiblity requirement on all students, if you get a D in any 5 classes you become ineligible you cannot participate in extracurricular activities.
Marching is co-curricular, but the school dosent care, and says its extracurricular.
John who plays in the band gets a D on his report card, making him ineligible for Saturdays contest.
John's brother gets a D on his report card in Science. He is suppose to go on a science trip tomorrow, where afterwards he will be graded on things he did in the field.
This new policy says that band student John, even though he gets a grade for Saturday contest... can't go, but Johns brother can go on his field trip....Odd...isent it? And lets not forget John the Band student who is ineligble, cant go to Saturday contest, but is REQUIRED to play at the Friday night 1/2 time show! Explain that to me..because I do not see the difference......
Oh so you are now saying that marching band is BOTH co and extracurricular, thus the policy complies with the law and public policy.luhmuh said:
You have now proved that you have missed the point and have wasted a lot of time trying to make a point that doesn't exist! Sorry, you just failed LOGIC class .
Find the Right Lawyer for Your Legal Issue!
Fast, Free, and Confidential
data-ad-format="auto">