Claiming a child for Tax Refund

[Shannon&Fuad]

Fuad and I reside in Iowa

Fuad and I have spoken with Bobbi Jo pertaining to the Small Claims judgment that Fuad has entered against her for Wrongfully Collected Child Support since November 18th when she wrote a note to us explaining that "if we promise to leave her and her family alone then she will speak with her husband about sending or letting her send a money order each pay." Well Fuad and I responded explaining to her that each and every agreement that was made needed to be documented and signed by both parties agreeing on a payment date and an amount of each payment. Fuad and I waited for a response to our note for about a week before we decided to contact her over the telephone and when we finally reached her she explained that her husband had been laid off from work and decided to wait to make payment to Fuad. She also mumbled acouple of words about her income tax refund which made Fuad and I think and remember that she claims or may claim her daughter, Fuad's
"exdaughter". When I called her once again to speak with her about her income tax refund she was unable to talk with me because her husband was home at the time and he is very uncomfortable with the relationship that her and Fuad once shared and the situation they are in now created and caused by that relationship, which I can understand but she CANNOT keep using her husband as an excuse! So, Fuad and I wrote yet another note to her explaining that we know and understand that she receives or may receive, at the least, $900.00 for her daughter but we really arn't sure if she will or can receive any money but decided to write the note in case.
So, my questions are:
(1) Can her daughter be adopted by her husband who is not her biological father without the actual biological father's consent?
(2) Is adoption or termination of parental rights public records?
(3) Because she is the child's custodial parent, the father has no visitation rights and does not pay child support, can she claim her on her income tax refund?
(4) What is the estimated amount for one child?
Any answers/help would be much appreciated, especially since it is about time for her to file and we want to "snatch" that money right out of her hands the way she did with the money that Fuad paid for child support, lol, I am evil. Sorry oh well! Shannon

 

[stealth2]

(1) Can her daughter be adopted by her husband who is not her biological father without the actual biological father's consent?

Only if a court terminates bio-dad's rights. But he would be notified of the hearing.

(2) Is adoption or termination of parental rights public records?

I believe it is.

(3) Because she is the child's custodial parent, the father has no visitation rights and does not pay child support, can she claim her on her income tax refund?

uuhh, yes.

(4) What is the estimated amount for one child?

Check www.irs.gov

and while this may be none of my business, the biomom is under no obligation to discuss anything with you. Make Fuad deal with her.

 

[Shannon&Fuad]

I do not have the right to appear and question Bobbi Jo during the examination without Fuad requesting me to do so and without Fuad being present for the examination. A judge has already approved Fuad's request to have me present and question Bobbi Jo on his behalf for each examination due to his lack of English, therefore obligating Bobbi Jo to answer any and all questions asked to her by me on Fuad's behalf. However, Bobbi Jo has NO obligation to answer any questions asked by us before or after the examination. Bobbi Jo has been very willing to answer questions asked by us and to discuss the judgment since the last exam in November which we commend her for and appreciate and to show our appreciation to Bobbi Jo we have decided to terminate any and all obligations to her of paying interest on this judgment, which is a very large sum. Thank you for the information you were able to provide me with and before searching for more information concerning the tax refund we are simply going to wait for a response from Bobbi Jo. Thank you!

 

[CMSC]

I may not have read your post right, but if you are trying to intercept her income tax refund, it is a little too late for 2002, I believe.


Adoption and termination of parental rights are normally not public record. There are I believe, 5 (craftymom, may know for sure) states that allow adoption records to be opened by the adoptee...but these are not public record. Most records (atleast here in my state) dealing with juveniles are not public record.

Also because bobbi jo isn't too forthcoming as to who the bio dad is, all she will have to do is publish an "ad" in the paper stating the description of the ment she thinks to be dad, the date of conception and birth of said child and ask them to come forth. They have so long to come forward and if they don't, her husband can be allowed to adopt.




BTW, HIIIIIII!!!!!!!

 

[Shannon&Fuad]

RyRy's Mom,

When I actually read the paragraph in which you were explaining that Bobbi Jo shall place an ad in the paper with the possible father's description, conception and birth date of the child I smiled to myself and giggled but now I am beginning to wonder if you are serious and if she is required to actually place that ad for the adoption process? If so, I am amazed with what this world is coming to and disgusted by the fact that a woman is so unsure of who fathered her child that she would need to place an ad with the possible father's description and other information in order to locate him. Although the adoption documents may be confidential her child's birth certificate is public record and I may request to view the birth certificate without receiving a copy at any time and if her husband were to adopt the child the child's last name would then be changed to her husband's last name therefore showing that the adoption did occurr. No, Fuad and I do not have the right to intercept her income tax refund in order to collect on this judgment but from the words that she mumbled on during our last conversation concerning her income tax refund I think she is willingly taking that into consideration. I do not believe that her income tax refund will be enough to pay the full $2,500.00 but I am sure it would be enought to pay at least half the amount which would make the process of her satisfying the judgment much quicker especially if she plans to make payments after paying a sum of the income tax refund to Fuad. We are not sure of her plans as of yet but I will keep all of you informed.

 

[stealth2]

ryry's - you're right and I don't know what I was thinking last night when I posted about the adoption records.

 

[CMSC]

Re: RyRy's Mom,

When I actually read the paragraph in which you were explaining that Bobbi Jo shall place an ad in the paper with the possible father's description, conception and birth date of the child I smiled to myself and giggled but now I am beginning to wonder if you are serious and if she is required to actually place that ad for the adoption process? If so, I am amazed with what this world is coming to and disgusted by the fact that a woman is so unsure of who fathered her child that she would need to place an ad with the possible father's description and other information in order to locate him. Although the adoption documents may be confidential her child's birth certificate is public record and I may request to view the birth certificate without receiving a copy at any time and if her husband were to adopt the child the child's last name would then be changed to her husband's last name therefore showing that the adoption did occurr. No, Fuad and I do not have the right to intercept her income tax refund in order to collect on this judgment but from the words that she mumbled on during our last conversation concerning her income tax refund I think she is willingly taking that into consideration. I do not believe that her income tax refund will be enough to pay the full $2,500.00 but I am sure it would be enought to pay at least half the amount which would make the process of her satisfying the judgment much quicker especially if she plans to make payments after paying a sum of the income tax refund to Fuad. We are not sure of her plans as of yet but I will keep all of you informed.

Yes I was serious about placing the ad in the paper. It sounds funny but it is true.

I didn't know that birth certificates were open to the public, here you have to show proof of identity that you are one of the parties on there or that you have permission to view it/buy a copy. But what you said is very clever!!

Actually you need to check on that income tax interception because you have a judgement for the money you should check and see if you can intercept next years taxes. I know it would be hard to go another year without the money but if her husband adopts the child, their return maybe a higher amount next year. If they file jointly and he doesn't file injured spouse, I believe you can take the judgement money from the joint filing.


momma_tiger, I figured you knew!lol I was like, "she must really be tired or something to have posted that"

 

[CRYROSE1]

shannon about her not getting enought to pay the full amout if they only make $30200.00 a year on there join return they can claim EIC( with just one child) that will make here return a lot bigger.

ryry was right about the newspaper.

How in IOWA can you get the records if you are not the Father or Mother? I would like to know. My grandmother tried to help my cusion get his sons birth records but they would not let her have the records.

 

[Shannon&Fuad]

Yes, you may view the person's birth certificate of who you are requesting without being a relative or without having legal permission to do so but you may not request or receive a copy of that person's birth certificate unless you are a relative or have the legal permission to do so. However, now a days if a child was born out of wedlock you will need to request to view the birth certificate through the location for the states records. I have viewed Bobbi Jo's and her daughter's birth certificate many of times in the past couple of years and although I did not find any information that I did not already have on her daughter's birth certificate I did find some new information about Bobbi Jo.
I also went to the Public Library and viewed some newspapers, one from July of 1979 when Bobbi Jo was born to see if her father was listed in the "birth announcements" but he wasn't and I also looked for August of 2000 to see if her daughter's father was listed but he too was not. I have been doing much research on Bobbi Jo and her family and no, I would not mind waiting another year if the money was guarenteed to be in Fuad's hand!

 

[cirrus0306]

I thot you might get a kick out of this. Had a friend do this (in Ks).... With the ad, it doesn't even matter what paper it is in. The only requirement is that it is in the same state as the child. So you can put it in a podunk paper that no one reads and its still legal. Lets say you "know" who the father is, but he doesn't know and you don't want him to, you have the choice to place an ad in a paper on the opposite side of the state and its legal. Dad doesn't even have to live in the state ad is placed. only the child. (In friends case, child in Ks, dad in Montana)

 

[CMSC]

Placing of the ad all depends on the state. Here you have to place an ad in the local newspaper of the last known town the dad lived in.

 

[stealth2]

I thot you might get a kick out of this. Had a friend do this (in Ks).... With the ad, it doesn't even matter what paper it is in. The only requirement is that it is in the same state as the child. So you can put it in a podunk paper that no one reads and its still legal. Lets say you "know" who the father is, but he doesn't know and you don't want him to, you have the choice to place an ad in a paper on the opposite side of the state and its legal. Dad doesn't even have to live in the state ad is placed. only the child. (In friends case, child in Ks, dad in Montana)

And it's sh*t like this that gives mothers a bad name.

 

[CMSC]

And it's sh*t like this that gives mothers a bad name.

exactly momma! But bobbijo seems heartless enough that if she saw this she would place the ad in a farmer's magazine! My dh's ex did that when she wanted him to adopt her son. Bio dad lived right down the street and he knew the kid was his etc. So stupid!

 

[cirrus0306]

I know it would seem like that w/o knowing that she came to Ks to escape. He used to beat the crap out of both of them and she needed to get away. I see your point, but sometimes its necessary. I posted it to show there are loopholes if necessary.

 

[Shannon&Fuad]

Yes Momma, it is woman like that and like Bobbi Jo that give woman a bad name and they are so careless and irresponsible that they don't even realize that it gives their child/ren a bad name as well although their being fatherless is completley their mother's fault. I have never heard of woman placing ads in order to find and identify the "possible" fathers of their child/ren, do any of you know who or where in Iowa I would have to contact in order to find out more information about the "placing of ads" in Iowa? I am sure though that if Bobbi Jo were to place an ad she would be informed of where she could and would have to place the ad and I am sure that she would place the ad as far away from the father as she could but there arn't that many counties in Iowa where she hasn't visited with open legs if you know what I mean. Thanks Shannon