Crazy 17 year old.

[Mash123]

Cool. Write your congressman. We are not a "gee whiz, the law should be this way" site... we are a legal site.

So, I gave him the right legal advise to stay out of troubles. And you started the "gee whiz" argument.

Actually, he is. Most grown men don't think underage children are either "incredible" or unavoidable.

I'm really sorry, but if a man not sexually attracted to a 5.9/130 lb, cup C female, no matter her age, there are three possibilities: 1. he is gay. 2. he worked way too much in Fukushima or Chernobil 3. He has been a Senior citizen already in ww2.

Please post the statutes that give a 17 year old the ability to do ANY of those things without the consent of their legal guardian.
You are wrong. 17 is NOT 18 light.

It doesn't matter. In our case she can not have sex even if her parents consent to this. And yes, I would consent to my child after 16, if I have a chance.

But we will have an awful lot more "incredible" 16 year olds with babies of their own. Won't that be awesome?

It would be nice to have some comparative statistics about teen parents in California (18) or Michigan (16).

Um... that's quite a tangent you are on there. How did we go from a guy wanting to schtup a teenager to your child support issues?

It's very simple. The root to all of this mess with spoiled brats is the fact that some people treat them as babies. So, they think: "If I can not have sex until 18, and I can not drink beer until 21, i'm a baby and it's logical that my parents must feed me, even when i'm adult. And if they don't I will ask advice how to sue them in court for this". And it's not my problem, I have very little kids.

 

[Proserpina]

I'm really sorry, but if a man not sexually attracted to a 5.9/130 lb, cup C female, no matter her age, there are three possibilities: 1. he is gay. 2. he worked way too much in Fukushima or Chernobil 3. He has been a Senior citizen already in ww2.

This alone was quotable.

(I'm giving Mash the benefit of the doubt here and assuming s/he is being sarcastic - because nobody could be that clueless in real life )

 

[Mash123]

This alone was quotable.

(I'm giving Mash the benefit of the doubt here and assuming s/he is being sarcastic - because nobody could be that clueless in real life )

Yes, I'm sure that you, as a lady, knows more then a guy about men's sexual attraction... Maybe you know more then the aliens where are the best grocery shops on Mars. Who knows...

 

[Proserpina]

Yes, I'm sure that you, as a lady, knows more then a guy about men's sexual attraction... Maybe you know more then the aliens where are the best grocery shops on Mars. Who knows...

Oh darn. And there I was being all charitable and stuff!

 

[CdwJava]

No, statutory rape law is not stupid, and I'm against taking advantage on children. And, I think that the age of consent can be lowered to 16, as it is in very high developed countries like France, Germany, UK, Norway, Netherlands, and even in a lot of American States.

What makes these countries "highly developed" when compared to the US as a whole? The fact that they allow sex among minors in many cases?

If the age of consent defines the development of a country, I foresee the downfall of Western Civilization within my lifetime. Fortunately, it is not the case.

 

[Zigner]

I'm really sorry, but if a man not sexually attracted to a 5.9/130 lb, cup C female, no matter her age, there are three possibilities: 1. he is gay. 2. he worked way too much in Fukushima or Chernobil 3. He has been a Senior citizen already in ww2.

We're not talking about ATTRACTION here. I guess you come from the uncivilized moron tribe.

 

[cyjeff]

So, I gave him the right legal advise to stay out of troubles. And you started the "gee whiz" argument.

Now why would I do that?

Oh yeah... to not muddy the waters for the OP. See, now there is a little tiny light of hope that if he schtups the child and then gets caught (because, let's face it... someone with his impulse control is going to sing like a canary the first time a cop gives him the stink eye) that he can find a whole jury of people that will side with him.

Won't matter. He will still go to prison. The law is pretty black and white here.

In other words, why would you grant false hope when there really isn't any?

I'm really sorry, but if a man not sexually attracted to a 5.9/130 lb, cup C female, no matter her age, there are three possibilities: 1. he is gay. 2. he worked way too much in Fukushima or Chernobil 3. He has been a Senior citizen already in ww2.

Wow. Let's hope there aren't any over developed 13 year olds in your neighborhood... or family.

Most men, by the way, have a "too young" turn off switch. Talk to your therapist about finding yours.

It doesn't matter. In our case she can not have sex even if her parents consent to this. And yes, I would consent to my child after 16, if I have a chance.

Then you get to go to prison with the man. Maybe you can share a cell.

It would be nice to have some comparative statistics about teen parents in California (18) or Michigan (16).

I am sure they exist somewhere.... but I sure as hell ain't going to look.

It's very simple. The root to all of this mess with spoiled brats is the fact that some people treat them as babies. So, they think: "If I can not have sex until 18, and I can not drink beer until 21, i'm a baby and it's logical that my parents must feed me, even when i'm adult. And if they don't I will ask advice how to sue them in court for this". And it's not my problem, I have very little kids.

I think it is just cute that you think every single problem comes back to the fact you hate supporting the children you made.

It reminds the rest of us that the entire planet and all its people are only justified in existing when we reaffirm our connection to you.

Thanks for the update.

 

[Mash123]

What makes these countries "highly developed" when compared to the US as a whole? The fact that they allow sex among minors in many cases?

If the age of consent defines the development of a country, I foresee the downfall of Western Civilization within my lifetime. Fortunately, it is not the case.

Just look at the statistics of the UN, the World Bank and other reliable sources. And if in those great and developed places the age is below 16, it can be in Arizona too.

 

[cyjeff]

Just look at the statistics of the UN, the World Bank and other reliable sources. And if in those great and developed places the age is below 16, it can be in Arizona too.

yes, it can be.

Write your congressperson.

Until it is, let's concentrate on the law as written, huh?

 

[CdwJava]

Just look at the statistics of the UN, the World Bank and other reliable sources. And if in those great and developed places the age is below 16, it can be in Arizona too.

Statistics for what? The term you used, "very high developed" countries is subjective, not objective. If you mean that they are highly industrialized, sure. But, they are also nations with very different social mores than our own nation. History has seen to that for a great many reasons.

All because these nations - with populations less than many of our states - have certain social mores that work for their social and economic systems does not mean they must be the same, or even SHOULD be the same, here. And legal does not always imply that something is right.

While the age of consent in AZ CAN be lowered, it is not. And since we are all subject to the laws as they are and not as we might wish them to be, the OP has to deal with the law as it exists.

 

[Mash123]

Statistics for what? The term you used, "very high developed" countries is subjective, not objective. If you mean that they are highly industrialized, sure. But, they are also nations with very different social mores than our own nation. History has seen to that for a great many reasons.

All because these nations - with populations less than many of our states - have certain social mores that work for their social and economic systems does not mean they must be the same, or even SHOULD be the same, here. And legal does not always imply that something is right.

While the age of consent in AZ CAN be lowered, it is not. And since we are all subject to the laws as they are and not as we might wish them to be, the OP has to deal with the law as it exists.

Guys, you all see something that I did not say and avoid, maybe purposely the fact that I indeed said to the OP to obey the law, even if it stupid.
And how can you talk about "social mores of our own nation" if even in that nation itself the AOC varies from 18 to 16?

 

[CdwJava]

Just saying that the age of consent - or laws of most any stripe - in some other country are not generally relevant to a discussion on the law here. What another country might do about a particular issue, and why they might do it, is not an issue. The law as it stands here, is.

 

[mistoffolees]

I'm really sorry, but if a man not sexually attracted to a 5.9/130 lb, cup C female, no matter her age, there are three possibilities: 1. he is gay. 2. he worked way too much in Fukushima or Chernobil 3. He has been a Senior citizen already in ww2.

I don't think the issue is about attraction. There's nothing illegal about an adult male finding a 17 year old girl to be attractive.

Where you get into trouble is in doing something to follow through on that attraction (or even thinking about doing something).

The law was provided above. And if the girl is a patient or a volunteer with OP having supervisory responsibilities, the penalties can be increased.

 

[Silverplum]

Feel free to be "attracted" to the young girl you describe.

She'd laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh some more at the very idea.

 

[mulldoone]

Location Arizona
Age: 23
Sex: Male

I am volunteering at a hospital and a 17 girl does not leave me alone. She is incredibly attractive and she is going to win this war of attrition. From what I heard , my state is vicious in this legal area but I never heard of a cases where the girl was 17. Do I need to run away before I do something stupid?

Yes. Get the hell out of there and get out of there quick! It's not like you have a job that you get paid for and you are stuck there until you are able to find another. You can always find volunteer work elsewhere.

Ask yourself this. How do you know for sure that she doesn't intend to cry rape in the near future because:

a) She just happens to be a sadistic person and would just be doing it for her own sick amusement?

b) Hates men?

c) For other reasons unknown, she has it in for you and, underneath it all, she can't stand your guts, so she deliberately sets out to ruin your life forever?

d) All of the above?

or are there any exceptions/protections for such cases?

I seriously doubt it, since you even said yourself that your state is vicious towards statutory rape. Besides, even if there were, why would you want to put yourself through the headache of having to retain an attorney, appear in court, and then risk being found guilty and having your life permanently ruined?

And for what? Over a piece of San Quentin Quail.