Do I have a case, or a potential case? What should my steps be? I really need help.

[JDH]

You people are SICK. I appreciate the first paragraph, and what you said. That is what I was looking for, but not all the "you this and you that" garbage. You don't know HALF of what I'm dealing with on this situation, but you seem to have ALL the answers. But to be able to judge my son on an internet post is absurd since you guys don't know anything more but ONE incident.

I didn't realize this place was full of perfect people. Had I known it was, I wouldn't have came since I'm nowhere near perfect, nor is my son, my 2 daughters, my parents, my sister, my co-workers, oh wait, nobody I know is perfect. Well, at least I know where I can come when I need to talk to someone who's perfect. I also know I can come here if I only have 10% of the facts on a case to find out who's guilty and who's not, their intensions, etc.

And Breeze, you're a big talker behind this computer with your name calling and immature responses. I think you're a big coward, personally, and all your "followers" are too. You didn't even have a reply until someone else came on and took your side.

I love it. "It's irrelevant" what the people said that actually SAW what was going on (you know, those things called WITNESSES!!!!!!!!!); yet, you guys can sit here and tell me intensions and everything. You people are genius's and if I were so lucky to have your ability, I would just be so happy.

Yes, my attorney suggested to have him evaluated and yes, that's what I'm going to do (again, don't let the facts get in the way), but I didn't come here to discuss that, did I? I really didn't feel a need to mention it since that wasn't even the POINT nor even part of it. I came to find out if I had a slander case, plain and simple and this is what it has come to because of Mrs. Breeze's comments.

Furthermore, I am doing everything my attorney tells me to do. Even though he said to have my son evaluated, he also said, "I don't feel there's anything wrong (remember he has ALL the evidence and facts, something YOU people don't have) but it would be a good idea to have that done." So, I agreed.

The reason I turned away from the guy threatening me was BECAUSE we're still in court and that's why I don't discuss it with anyone. I told him, "We'll settle it in court." That's also another reason I came here. I thought I would be able to get some mature conversation and professional discussion on the matter. Instead, I ran upon a bunch of people who act like juveniles with their name calling and expert judging on others.

And yes, you're right, I'm teaching him to be a rapist. I really didn't punish him. The daycare really didn't tell me I was too hard on him under the circumstances. What I REALLY did was told him that not only should he have gotten her shirt off, he should've tied her up against the slide, out of view of the teachers, got a whip, chains, and got her completely naked and then I told him more what to do from that point. So yes, you're right Mr. Almighty, I am teaching him how to be a rapist. Again, another one of your "brilliant" statements.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

The mere fact that you are more concerned about a slander case, rather than getting your son some help.....................say's it all.

The mere fact that you have been given an answer, yet you are wasting time arguing here,.....................say's it all.

 

[JDH]

The mere fact that you are more concerned about a slander case, rather than getting your son some help.....................say's it all.

Yet, another genius who has NO idea what I have already done (other than the punishments), yet, has all the answers. Are you really Breeze? I'm starting tot hink he has several names on here. I have not really ever dealt with anything quite like this in my life. So many people enjoy jumping on others simply seeking help.

The mere fact that you have been given an answer, yet you are wasting time arguing here,.....................say's it all.

You're right, I should not have gotten caught up in the arguments. That's typically not my nature. I just got upset when I asked about a case and instead, got the answers I got (not necessarily the answers, but the tone and the way they were expressed). Unless you have kids, you wouldn't understand. Unless you've been in this position, you wouldn't understand. When the little girl says nothing more happened than what did; yet, her parents are telling people that a lot more happened that didn't, you would like to know if there is something you can do about it. Woudln't you? Seriously, wouldn't you? Or, would you say, "It's not that big of a deal that they're spreading SERiIOUS accusations on my child who didn't do what they said." I'm being sincere here, would you just sit back and let them? Or would you try and at least attempt to do something about it?

We ARE dealing with my son and if the evaluation says something is wrong, you can bet your LIFE he'll get counseling. But, I'll leave that up to the professionals and not the people on this board.

Again, I apologize for the arguing. I try to live by the statement of, "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience," and that's what I let happen here. I stooped to their level and am sorry I acted as immaturely as I did. Again, I'm not perfect.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

You are acting like someone who is afraid that their background will be examined.

Yes, it is true, none are perfect, all have come short of the Glory of God.

No one is spreading slanderous statements. YOUR son is at least a sexual offender by his own admission. You need to understand the ramificaitons of this FACT. This fact will forever affect his life, how many examples of inappropriate behavior have you ignored before he got caught? Do you know what is appropriate?

Your Attorney has advised you to get your son evaluated, unless he is also an appropriately educated, trained, experienced and certified psychiatrist/psychologist, he is not competent to give you an expert opinion.

I am telling you as a qualified expert witness/forensic evaluater for the courts, that with the minimum of facts you have given, your son has problems and needs counseling.

Breeze is himself, none of the other people who have replied to your thread are him, I know this for a fact because I know them off line.

This is going to not only be an empotional lesson, but an expensive lesson, one that you and your family will have to bear without trying to exact payment from the victims because your pyschologically disturbed sexual offender son was not recognized by you, who knows him best as being disturbed before he got caught. DOn't forget, you need counseling as well and to not leave your son alone with either of your 2 daughters.

Calling people names here won't change anything.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

And Breeze, you're a big talker behind this computer with your name calling and immature responses. I think you're a big coward, personally, and all your "followers" are too. You didn't even have a reply until someone else came on and took your side.

I'm a big guy in real life too. Big enough to slap you into next week.

I just wish your son would have pull this crap with my daughters. He would be auditioning as a soprano.

You are a waste of DNA.

 

[Just Blue]

Yet, another genius who has NO idea what I have already done (other than the punishments), yet, has all the answers. Are you really Breeze? I'm starting tot hink he has several names on here. I have not really ever dealt with anything quite like this in my life. So many people enjoy jumping on others simply seeking help.



You're right, I should not have gotten caught up in the arguments. That's typically not my nature. I just got upset when I asked about a case and instead, got the answers I got (not necessarily the answers, but the tone and the way they were expressed). Unless you have kids, you wouldn't understand. Unless you've been in this position, you wouldn't understand. When the little girl says nothing more happened than what did; yet, her parents are telling people that a lot more happened that didn't, you would like to know if there is something you can do about it. Woudln't you? Seriously, wouldn't you? Or, would you say, "It's not that big of a deal that they're spreading SERiIOUS accusations on my child who didn't do what they said." I'm being sincere here, would you just sit back and let them? Or would you try and at least attempt to do something about it?

We ARE dealing with my son and if the evaluation says something is wrong, you can bet your LIFE he'll get counseling. But, I'll leave that up to the professionals and not the people on this board.

Again, I apologize for the arguing. I try to live by the statement of, "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience," and that's what I let happen here. I stooped to their level and am sorry I acted as immaturely as I did. Again, I'm not perfect.

Sir,
I have two girls...one of whom was SEXUALLY assaulted in the playground of her school, at recess, with 6 teachers nearby! The boy who was responsible was 7, my daughter was 6. He pinned her against a fence, kissed and touched her. This is not horseplay. This is not NORMAL behavior.
The fact that your son gets good grades and teachers like him is not the issue, Ted Bundy's teachers thought he was a prince, (I am not comparing your son to him just an example). You don't seem to take this situation as seriously as you should. You want to SUE the parents of your son's VICTIM! For God's sake take your son to a Doctor...and because he needs help not to impress a judge!
Please think about what has been said here...I am not attacking you, I am trying to help.
Good luck to you and your son.

Bay
I am baystategirl. I am not rmet, bb, freespeech, paridise or any others that may have responded.
I am not a groopie, disciple or prodigy of any of the above.

 

[barbiegirl_269]

Sir,

I do sympathize with the fact that all you recieved on this website at first was rude behavior. I also posted a question and all I recieved was crap about me being from Missouri and my husband being 4 years older than I am. (Completely off the subject of my problem.) But these people do have a point on this. I was in that little girls shoes when I was 5 years old. The boy was 9. Unfortunately, the police told my mother that he was just "a boy being a boy". Because of people taking that approach to it, I was later raped by the same boy. Definately not "a boy being a boy"!!!!! If it had not been for the police saying that he was just playing, and actually taking serious steps to get him some help, (which you said you are doing for your son, and I hope everything works out with that) I would not have been raped. This is something that has haunted me my whole life, & it could possibly be the same for that little girl. I honestly hope that your son was just playing, but what if he is saying that so he won't get into trouble? The boy that did it to me also said that he was just playing. I'm not trying to offend you in any way, I just want to make sure you realize all the possibilities.

Also, I have two little boys. One is 2 years old and the other is 2 months. My 2 year old already knows that it is NOT okay to lift up a girls shirt or to do anything of that nature. He does not know that it is anything sexual, or even what sexual is, but he knows that it is never okay to lift a girl's shirt at all.

Thank you for reading this, and please remember that I'm not trying to offend you in any way whatsoever.

 

[casa]

Yet, another genius who has NO idea what I have already done (other than the punishments), yet, has all the answers. Are you really Breeze? I'm starting tot hink he has several names on here. I have not really ever dealt with anything quite like this in my life. So many people enjoy jumping on others simply seeking help.



You're right, I should not have gotten caught up in the arguments. That's typically not my nature. I just got upset when I asked about a case and instead, got the answers I got (not necessarily the answers, but the tone and the way they were expressed). Unless you have kids, you wouldn't understand. Unless you've been in this position, you wouldn't understand. When the little girl says nothing more happened than what did; yet, her parents are telling people that a lot more happened that didn't, you would like to know if there is something you can do about it. Woudln't you? Seriously, wouldn't you? Or, would you say, "It's not that big of a deal that they're spreading SERiIOUS accusations on my child who didn't do what they said." I'm being sincere here, would you just sit back and let them? Or would you try and at least attempt to do something about it?

We ARE dealing with my son and if the evaluation says something is wrong, you can bet your LIFE he'll get counseling. But, I'll leave that up to the professionals and not the people on this board.

Again, I apologize for the arguing. I try to live by the statement of, "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience," and that's what I let happen here. I stooped to their level and am sorry I acted as immaturely as I did. Again, I'm not perfect.

I used to work with children & adolescents...your son's behavior is a red flag. It is NOT normal behavior- regardless of what anyone has told you in order to calm you down or bring less attention to the school and the school's lack of supervision as being a secondary problem.

If that were my daughter, I'd be pushing to have your son punished to the full extent of the law.

The fact that you SAY you are 'going to' get your son evaluated, but in fact, have not- speaks volumes. You should have sought that help and evaluation immediately- at the very least before you became concerned about a possible slander suit.

You have no slander suit because it's the parent's opinion based on facts that leads them to believe your son is a danger to other children- It's completely normal for the parents of an assaulted child to feel strongly about warning other parents and children about potential harm. You are assuming the the statements made are 'exaggerated', but in fact, it is typical for assaulted children to not give all the facts at the time of the assault, and admit the entire truth at a later date once assured they are supported and defended. It is also typical for a child who has done something wrong to minimize and deny the extent of their bad behavior. The bottom line is you weren't there, were you? Your son and several other boys held down this girl and violated her...something which may profoundly impact her emotional status for a duration of time- and something you may find yourself liable for in terms of financial responsiblity for therapy for the girl. Not only was your son involved, he was the one who actually commited the physical act against the young girl which makes him an initiater in an assault. Your priorities should be figuring out what in the world is wrong with this child. And good grades have nothing to do with anything- serial killers often are excellent students and many criminals have high IQs...what does his school work have to do with his obviously disturbed mental state?

BTW you have been arguing with a Forensic Specialist used in courts and an attorney. Lady- you won't get much better advice for your son than that.

 

[Quaere]

JDH may be gone by now, but I write this for the benefit of others, especially the most recent poster here (Liz2005) who has just asked nearly the same questions.

JDH asked whether or not the parent of the little girl can be sued for making false statements of fact about the boy and his actions.

The answer depends on just how far the false statements deviate from the gist of the true facts.

The girl’s father may deviate from the actual facts of the incident as long as his statements do not carry a greater sting than is warranted by the actual facts.

If for example, the father causes another to believe there was inappropriate touching and there was not, he has certainly done more harm to the boy’s reputation than is deserved.

The boy obviously crossed a line that can and should cause others in the community to be wary of him. This does not mean he’s lost all rights to fair treatment and the degree of his wrongdoing should not be exaggerated.

JDH asked what steps she should take. Assuming her goal is to prevent unwarranted damage to her son’s reputation the best thing to do is to make sure the parent of the girl is aware of and understands the boy’s rights. A well-written letter from a lawyer, explaining the duty others have to the boy, ought to do it.

JDH failed to give any examples of the false statements made about her son, therefore it is not possible to offer a responsible opinion on whether or not her son has already been defamed.

 

[RobinRose]

suppose to get advice and instead get cranky old farts

This site has some angry bitter advisors. Get an attorney to write this family a letter informing them of their slanders ways.

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

This site has some angry bitter advisors. Get an attorney to write this family a letter informing them of their slanders ways.

Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?

 

[pojo2]

I am so sorry to the regulars for what I am about to say so forgive me in advance!

>>The kid is EIGHT. Boys were being boys,<<

What kind of damn response is this? Wake the hell up and stop with these sick responses!

Even if done to embarrass her it is W R O N G to gang attack a young girl.
Yes honey GANG attack a young firl that is what happened and YOUR "precious son" tried to pull her clothing up!