Enforcing Rules & Reguations

[divona2000]

I've seen those rules before and the "package" I'm working with (a Flat rate envelope) completely abides by those rules.

What the phone rep. told me over the phone is that the package, "cannot exceed 3/4" in thickness", which I don't believe is on their website. That's what I'm referring to. My package is no where near 130 inches combined - 40 inches MAX!

Are you using a First Class Large Envelope?
In that case, the phone rep is quoting you the correct info:

USPS - First-Class Mail Prices
about halfway down the page
"Size limits:
- Rectangular
- No more than 12 inches high by 15 inches long by 3/4 inches thick".

 

[Applez]

Nope, Priority Mail:

USPS - Priority Mail Prices

 

[Proserpina]

The ever-present disclaimer, per the USPS website:

THE MATERIALS IN THIS SITE ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMISSIBLE PURSUANT TO APPLICABLE LAW, THE POSTAL SERVICE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES , EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE POSTAL SERVICE DOES NOT WARRANT OR REPRESENT THAT THE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE OR RELIABLE OR THAT THE SITE WILL BE FREE OF ERRORS OR VIRUSES.

In hoomin-speak:

If what we say here is different from what we say if you call or what may or may not be in any published document, there's no recourse for you.

(And don't yell at me - they used all caps... )

 

[Applez]

Does this:

THE POSTAL SERVICE DOES NOT WARRANT OR REPRESENT THAT THE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE OR RELIABLE OR THAT THE SITE WILL BE FREE OF ERRORS OR VIRUSES.

...actually --excuse-- USPS from errors or is it there to imply that the site "may" be (as I've personally noticed) FULL of them?

Also, if it is an error on THEIR part, they can choose NOT to honor my request to ship a package that is in agreement with their -current- set of rules "just because?"

 

[divona2000]

I'd go with the easy way-take it to a different Post Office to mail-just hand it to them...see if they hand it back as "too big".

 

[Applez]

Thanks! But this isn't so much about shipping the package - as you said, I could very easily take it to another PO and have it accepted without the slightest of problems. I'm very, very much wanting to find out whether this is legal - for my own curiosity, if not anything else.

 

[justalayman]

your question: is it legal?

yes, it is legal. There is no law that requires them to not change the rules at their discretion as long as they do not illegally discriminate against you

You situation with the return at Nieman Marcus is not applicable because there are laws against such charges without notice. A huge difference is with Nieman marcus, you had already paid your money and the surprise about the charge that you were not notified about is not legal.

but regardless of what you want to argue, here is the rule I found on the USPS site concerning Priority packages:

Restrictions
Contents must reasonably fit within the Priority Mail packaging, and weigh less than 70 pounds.

the counter person deemed your contents did not fit within the package reasonably. You are never going to win an argument as to what they accept as "reasonable". It is up to them to determine what is reasonable and what isn't.

so, you lose. stop your whining.

 

[Applez]

Stop my whining? You mistake someone who has a passion to get to the bottom of things as "whining?" You, sir, are a fool! And judging by your username, I assume you're quite close to reaching that realization.

 

[Proserpina]

Stop my whining? You mistake someone who has a passion to get to the bottom of things as "whining?" You, sir, are a fool! And judging by your username, I assume you're quite close to reaching that realization.

You were given this answer way back on page 1.

It IS legal.

That's about all there is to it. The biggest fool in this thread may be the person who does not want to accept the legal reality.

 

[Applez]

There's nothing foolish about asking questions and trying to get to the heart of a specific matter. You say, "Yes", and I ask, "Why?" What's the problem with that?

Using your logic, one is suppose to accept the first answer given as being gospel without any further examination. That, IMO, is foolish!

 

[Proserpina]

There's nothing foolish about asking questions and trying to get to the heart of a specific matter. You say, "Yes", and I ask, "Why?" What's the problem with that?

Using your logic, one is suppose to accept the first answer given as being gospel without any further examination. That, IMO, is foolish!

Please consult a local attorney at your convenience who can review your complaint in its entirety and advise you further.

 

[justalayman]

There's nothing foolish about asking questions and trying to get to the heart of a specific matter. You say, "Yes", and I ask, "Why?" What's the problem with that?

Using your logic, one is suppose to accept the first answer given as being gospel without any further examination. That, IMO, is foolish!

one thing you have to understand;

in our legal system, there is nothing illegal unless there is a law making it illegal. Until such time there is a law against some act, that act is legal so, unless you can find a law preventing the USPS from acting as they have, it is not illegal.

Not only can I not find a law prohibiting their actions, as I informed you, they reserve the right to determine what is reasonable and what isn't regarding the use of their packaging.

are you happy now?

quit screwing the the mailman. When he gets pissed, my mail somehow ends up all wet and I hate that, especially when it hasn't rained for a week.

 

[xylene]

Name of state: IL

My local post office won't let me ship a package because they claim that it's "too bulky."

The finding of the LOCAL POST OFFICE where your tried to ship is the ONLY relevant one - which decided your package exceeded the allowable dimensions.

You can carry on about the website and what was said on the phone, but the postmaster at that office is the one calling the shots, and he has broad latitude.

It is a good bet he will support his clerks and carriers initial call on the size, OR he will overrule them, which is less than likely and is only going to happen if you are really nice.

Otherwise you need to spring for 2 mailers.