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Mommysheena

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I live in Elk Grove, Ca. Sacramento county.

Our court order specifies 50/50 and that father and I switch every Friday, week on, week off. Though this is not what actually happens.
Brief overview: Father voluntarily abandoned our son when he was 6 months old and decided to come back when he was almost 4. It has been nothing but problems since and major ones at that.

I picked the kids up for my turn on Friday October 11th. I received a text from dad on Monday October 14th stating that he is out of town and his car broke down. Says that he can not get the children on friday because his car part wont be in until monday. He also says that if its a problem, he will have someone else pick them up but they might miss a few days of school. I told father that missing school is not acceptable and that I would, of course, keep them. That next day, Tuesday October 15th, father texts me and says "never mind." I forgot to write back so on Thursday October 17th father texts again asking if I got his message. I told father yes and asked if HE is, indeed, the one who is going to get them. He tells me yes. I told myself that I was going to go to the school to make sure because father lies about everything. I actually took his word this time and gave him the benefit of the doubt. During fathers week, he is to drop the kids off at my house in the morning because they go to my school district. He wasn't here which isn't out of the ordinary because he is always late and then doesn't respond to my calls or texts. I text him asking where the boys are and he tells me, "They are at school. You don't need to text me every morning please. If there is a problem, I always text you and let you know." I knew something was up so I went to their school. Jayden tells me that his dads friend kimlee picked them up Friday after school. I said okay, and then she took you to your dad? He tells me no, they have been with her since. Their dad is out of town for work still. Inside I was furious. I had to go to work so I told my mom, since she is on their emergency contact list, to go get them because it is not okay that father is knowingly unable to parent and is having some girl watch the kids while he is out of town. I know that dad is doing this on purpose so that I don't have them more than I already have them.

When my Mom went to go get them, Ajs dad Art was sent to pick Gavin up. He is in Kindergarten, 5 years old and got out early this day. The principal said that its dads week and dad can authorize other people to pick them up so if I am going to challenge this, he would need to call the cops to resolve the situation. I understand where they are coming from because they do not know if he is really out of town or what the situation really is and I didn't want to leave work it being my second week. I explained the situation to Art so that if he understood he would let my mom take them. He says that Aj told him to get them because he was at work so that is what he is going to do. He said Kim is going to pick Jayden (first grader= 7 in dec) up at 2:10 and then pick Gavin up from his house after. I let Art take them to not cause a huge scene because we have mediation this wednesday october 23.

Now, I feel horrible as a mother to have to leave my small children subjected to staying with some girl when their dad hasn't been there since she picked them up. I do not know how any parent in their right mind would think that this is acceptable. I went to my local police station and he told me, as they always do, that i need to speak to an attorney. He said cops cant really get into family law too much. They can only enforce what is on the court order. He advised me next time to put in the court order that when father is out of town, children reside with mother. That does not help me now. He said that I can try to do a standy but that they can not make them give me the children. This is ludicrous to me.

Is it legal for me to go get my children from this girl????

Please help, Thanks.
 


Ladyback1

Senior Member
Is it legal for me to go get my children from this girl????

Please help, Thanks.
this is Dad's week for custody, correct? He has entrusted them to someone else...just as you could. Just because you don't know this female does not equate to you causing a scene.

Seriously, you're going to look a whack job if you go storming over to take the kids back to your house.

This is something that needs to be addressed, but not by causing turmoil and strife and showing your backside in front of the kids.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I live in Elk Grove, Ca. Sacramento county.

Our court order specifies 50/50 and that father and I switch every Friday, week on, week off. Though this is not what actually happens.
Brief overview: Father voluntarily abandoned our son when he was 6 months old and decided to come back when he was almost 4. It has been nothing but problems since and major ones at that.

I picked the kids up for my turn on Friday October 11th. I received a text from dad on Monday October 14th stating that he is out of town and his car broke down. Says that he can not get the children on friday because his car part wont be in until monday. He also says that if its a problem, he will have someone else pick them up but they might miss a few days of school. I told father that missing school is not acceptable and that I would, of course, keep them. That next day, Tuesday October 15th, father texts me and says "never mind." I forgot to write back so on Thursday October 17th father texts again asking if I got his message. I told father yes and asked if HE is, indeed, the one who is going to get them. He tells me yes. I told myself that I was going to go to the school to make sure because father lies about everything. I actually took his word this time and gave him the benefit of the doubt. During fathers week, he is to drop the kids off at my house in the morning because they go to my school district. He wasn't here which isn't out of the ordinary because he is always late and then doesn't respond to my calls or texts. I text him asking where the boys are and he tells me, "They are at school. You don't need to text me every morning please. If there is a problem, I always text you and let you know." I knew something was up so I went to their school. Jayden tells me that his dads friend kimlee picked them up Friday after school. I said okay, and then she took you to your dad? He tells me no, they have been with her since. Their dad is out of town for work still. Inside I was furious. I had to go to work so I told my mom, since she is on their emergency contact list, to go get them because it is not okay that father is knowingly unable to parent and is having some girl watch the kids while he is out of town. I know that dad is doing this on purpose so that I don't have them more than I already have them.

When my Mom went to go get them, Ajs dad Art was sent to pick Gavin up. He is in Kindergarten, 5 years old and got out early this day. The principal said that its dads week and dad can authorize other people to pick them up so if I am going to challenge this, he would need to call the cops to resolve the situation. I understand where they are coming from because they do not know if he is really out of town or what the situation really is and I didn't want to leave work it being my second week. I explained the situation to Art so that if he understood he would let my mom take them. He says that Aj told him to get them because he was at work so that is what he is going to do. He said Kim is going to pick Jayden (first grader= 7 in dec) up at 2:10 and then pick Gavin up from his house after. I let Art take them to not cause a huge scene because we have mediation this wednesday october 23.

Now, I feel horrible as a mother to have to leave my small children subjected to staying with some girl when their dad hasn't been there since she picked them up. I do not know how any parent in their right mind would think that this is acceptable. I went to my local police station and he told me, as they always do, that i need to speak to an attorney. He said cops cant really get into family law too much. They can only enforce what is on the court order. He advised me next time to put in the court order that when father is out of town, children reside with mother. That does not help me now. He said that I can try to do a standy but that they can not make them give me the children. This is ludicrous to me.

Is it legal for me to go get my children from this girl????

Please help, Thanks.


Soooo...your Mom can go get the kids. But Dad's choice of standby can't?

Remind me how that works again please?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Soooo...your Mom can go get the kids. But Dad's choice of standby can't?

Remind me how that works again please?
There IS a difference. Grandma was going to deliver the children to a parent. This other woman was going to keep the children because dad isn't going to be there at all...and had already kept the children for several days without dad being there at all. I certainly would have had a problem with that. If dad was having a babysitter pick up the kids and keep them for a couple of hours until dad got home from work I would agree with everyone else's assessment....however, that is not what is going on here. I also wouldn't have a problem with grandparent's keeping the kids if its not a constant thing.

I do agree however that this is something that needs to be addressed in court...not in a big drama scene.
 

Mommysheena

Junior Member
Soooo...your Mom can go get the kids. But Dad's choice of standby can't?

Remind me how that works again please?
My Mom was going to pick them up for me for a couple of hours until I got off of work and was able to get them. Dad is not returning to the children after work as he is out of town and has been out of town for several days not parenting the children.
 

Mommysheena

Junior Member
There IS a difference. Grandma was going to deliver the children to a parent. This other woman was going to keep the children because dad isn't going to be there at all...and had already kept the children for several days without dad being there at all. I certainly would have had a problem with that. If dad was having a babysitter pick up the kids and keep them for a couple of hours until dad got home from work I would agree with everyone else's assessment....however, that is not what is going on here. I also wouldn't have a problem with grandparent's keeping the kids if its not a constant thing.

I do agree however that this is something that needs to be addressed in court...not in a big drama scene.
LDiJ. I understand and thank you.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
There IS a difference. Grandma was going to deliver the children to a parent. This other woman was going to keep the children because dad isn't going to be there at all...and had already kept the children for several days without dad being there at all. I certainly would have had a problem with that. If dad was having a babysitter pick up the kids and keep them for a couple of hours until dad got home from work I would agree with everyone else's assessment....however, that is not what is going on here. I also wouldn't have a problem with grandparent's keeping the kids if its not a constant thing.

I do agree however that this is something that needs to be addressed in court...not in a big drama scene.

I do think there's a difference.

But reading between the lines, I do get the distinct feeling that even if Dad had sent his girlfriend to take care of the kids for a few hours, OP would still have a problem with it.

As ever though it's not the adults who will suffer because of the drama llama being present.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I live in Elk Grove, Ca. Sacramento county.

Our court order specifies 50/50 and that father and I switch every Friday, week on, week off. Though this is not what actually happens.
Brief overview: Father voluntarily abandoned our son when he was 6 months old and decided to come back when he was almost 4. It has been nothing but problems since and major ones at that.
Get over it. That doesn't matter. You have a court order. Does dad have JOINT CUSTODY?

I picked the kids up for my turn on Friday October 11th. I received a text from dad on Monday October 14th stating that he is out of town and his car broke down. Says that he can not get the children on friday because his car part wont be in until monday. He also says that if its a problem, he will have someone else pick them up but they might miss a few days of school. I told father that missing school is not acceptable and that I would, of course, keep them. That next day, Tuesday October 15th, father texts me and says "never mind." I forgot to write back so on Thursday October 17th father texts again asking if I got his message. I told father yes and asked if HE is, indeed, the one who is going to get them. He tells me yes. I told myself that I was going to go to the school to make sure because father lies about everything.
So the man you chose to have children with is someone you don't trust but yet he has 50/50 parenting? Apparently the court found him fit.

I actually took his word this time and gave him the benefit of the doubt. During fathers week, he is to drop the kids off at my house in the morning because they go to my school district.
Does the court order state that?

He wasn't here which isn't out of the ordinary because he is always late and then doesn't respond to my calls or texts. I text him asking where the boys are and he tells me, "They are at school. You don't need to text me every morning please. If there is a problem, I always text you and let you know." I knew something was up so I went to their school.
So they were at school. Does the court order require they go to school from your house each and every morning? Does it forbid them from being transported by dad?
Jayden tells me that his dads friend kimlee picked them up Friday after school. I said okay, and then she took you to your dad? He tells me no, they have been with her since. Their dad is out of town for work still. Inside I was furious. I had to go to work so I told my mom, since she is on their emergency contact list, to go get them because it is not okay that father is knowingly unable to parent and is having some girl watch the kids while he is out of town. I know that dad is doing this on purpose so that I don't have them more than I already have them.
So dad has joint custody? He arranged for their care on his time. Do you have a right of first refusal? IF not and dad has joint custody then he has every right to do what he did.



When my Mom went to go get them, Ajs dad Art was sent to pick Gavin up. He is in Kindergarten, 5 years old and got out early this day. The principal said that its dads week and dad can authorize other people to pick them up so if I am going to challenge this, he would need to call the cops to resolve the situation. I understand where they are coming from because they do not know if he is really out of town or what the situation really is and I didn't want to leave work it being my second week. I explained the situation to Art so that if he understood he would let my mom take them. He says that Aj told him to get them because he was at work so that is what he is going to do. He said Kim is going to pick Jayden (first grader= 7 in dec) up at 2:10 and then pick Gavin up from his house after. I let Art take them to not cause a huge scene because we have mediation this wednesday october 23
Control freak much?



Now, I feel horrible as a mother to have to leave my small children subjected to staying with some girl when their dad hasn't been there since she picked them up. I do not know how any parent in their right mind would think that this is acceptable.
Dad has just as much right as you do to have someone pick the children up. Does your court order require that you must approve everyone? Does it require dad to get your permission?

I went to my local police station and he told me, as they always do, that i need to speak to an attorney. He said cops cant really get into family law too much. They can only enforce what is on the court order.
Truthfully they can't even do that most of the time as it is a civil issue.

He advised me next time to put in the court order that when father is out of town, children reside with mother. That does not help me now. He said that I can try to do a standy but that they can not make them give me the children. This is ludicrous to me.

Is it legal for me to go get my children from this girl????

Please help, Thanks.
How about grow up and try to be an adult. Talk to your ex and ask to meet this woman. Try to get to know this woman. You don't have a legal right to know who dad is with nor do you have a legal right to dictate what dad does on his time (barring any court orders). If you want dad to get your permission and let you dictate, are you willing to let him dictate who you can have the children around and where you can take them?
 

CJane

Senior Member
From my own experience, I can tell you that if you have a 50/50 residential schedule, when the children are supposed to be with Father, it matters not whether he's physically present. You will do MORE harm to your children by swooping in and demanding that they be with you, than maintaining the schedule of one week w/you, one not with you. If Dad travels for work?

Dad has arranged for someone to care for the children. It is assumed (by us, by the courts, by the police, by everyone except you) that whomever Dad has designated as his backup is an acceptable person, a responsible adult, and someone perfectly capable of providing care for the children. And hey! She got them to school on time!

I get it. Really. But you're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
From my own experience, I can tell you that if you have a 50/50 residential schedule, when the children are supposed to be with Father, it matters not whether he's physically present. You will do MORE harm to your children by swooping in and demanding that they be with you, than maintaining the schedule of one week w/you, one not with you. If Dad travels for work?

Dad has arranged for someone to care for the children. It is assumed (by us, by the courts, by the police, by everyone except you) that whomever Dad has designated as his backup is an acceptable person, a responsible adult, and someone perfectly capable of providing care for the children. And hey! She got them to school on time!

I get it. Really. But you're making a mountain out of an ant hill.
I truly don't agree. I truly do not see how it could ever be in the best interest of children to spend a week with a non relative when they could be with a parent. Of course there can be exceptions to that, but I know that when I was a child I had a hard time being without my parents for a week, even when I was with grandparents or others that I truly loved.

Therefore to me, this is not an "ant hill" at all.
 

CJane

Senior Member
I truly don't agree. I truly do not see how it could ever be in the best interest of children to spend a week with a non relative when they could be with a parent. Of course there can be exceptions to that, but I know that when I was a child I had a hard time being without my parents for a week, even when I was with grandparents or others that I truly loved.

Therefore to me, this is not an "ant hill" at all.
I understand. But I'm posting my experience with the legal system and a similar situation.

I GET that personally it's rough. I GET that Mom doesn't like it. I even GET that maybe a judge once in a blue moon would agree with Mom and make a big deal over it.

BUT, I think more often than not, a judge is going to look down at Mom over the tops of his glasses and says "Are you serious? All of the things that a parent has to worry about, and you're freaking out about what happened one week of the child's life?"

I guarantee you that MOM thinks this is a much bigger deal than the kids do.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I understand. But I'm posting my experience with the legal system and a similar situation.

I GET that personally it's rough. I GET that Mom doesn't like it. I even GET that maybe a judge once in a blue moon would agree with Mom and make a big deal over it.

BUT, I think more often than not, a judge is going to look down at Mom over the tops of his glasses and says "Are you serious? All of the things that a parent has to worry about, and you're freaking out about what happened one week of the child's life?"

I guarantee you that MOM thinks this is a much bigger deal than the kids do.
Maybe...its depends on the child. I know that I would have had a really hard time with it as a child. My viewpoint is partially from my own experience, but partially from my state's guidelines as well. ROFR is built into the ITPG and in my state a judge would be all over a parent for doing this.

If this is a one time thing and will never happen again, maybe its not worth making a big deal of at this point. However, if its going to be a regular issue, then personally, I would take it in front of a judge to try to get ROFR built into the orders.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I recall that my kids stayed with their stepmother's ex when they went away. They told me it was more fun than being at Dad's. :eek:
 

CJane

Senior Member
Maybe...its depends on the child. I know that I would have had a really hard time with it as a child. My viewpoint is partially from my own experience, but partially from my state's guidelines as well. ROFR is built into the ITPG and in my state a judge would be all over a parent for doing this.

If this is a one time thing and will never happen again, maybe its not worth making a big deal of at this point. However, if its going to be a regular issue, then personally, I would take it in front of a judge to try to get ROFR built into the orders.
Mom stated that it's because Dad was out of town, his car broke down, and he was stranded until the part came in. I don't think that will be a regular occurrence.

And while I understand that ROFR is built in in Indiana (that's a lot of INs together!), that's an anomaly as far as standards go, and I *personally think that ROFR causes more problems than it solves.
 

CJane

Senior Member
I recall that my kids stayed with their stepmother's ex when they went away. They told me it was more fun than being at Dad's. :eek:
SoldierBoy and I were just out of town for a weekend not too long ago, and left all 7 children in the care of my nearly 17 year old. Everyone survived, no one was upset except his ex-wife, and she lives 9 hours away. They even all got to their appointments/sports/social engagements on time.

I just don't think it's that big of a deal when it's a one-off. Now. If Dad had MOVED to a different town, or was regularly going to be out of town on his weeks, I think Mom would have grounds to make a change.

But, she stated that's not the case - and she created a big deal over one week. One. Week.
 

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