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delvalle5

Member
What is the name of your state? Washington

Here are some facts:
My son is visiting his father in California.
I have sole legal and pri**** physical custody.
My Ex is newly married and his new wife has a child the same age as my son.
My son has a virus.

The problem: I ended up sending my son to his father's even though he was ill. My son saw a physician befor going and was prescribed a course of treatment. My ex called and wanted to take him to the doctors there as his condition has not improved. I told him that his insurance only covers emergency services and that they would need a signed consent to treat from me. I called the insurance company and the hospital closest to my ex's location and made the appropriate arrangements. I called to find out if my ex would indeed be taking my son to the ER. My ex said no, that he took him to his step son's doctor and got him treated under his step son's insurance and identity so that he wouldn't have to wait in line at the ER. This doctor has no medical history regarding my son. My son is now on a prescription medication.

Question: Are there legal ramifications and should I be as upset as I am...
 


delvalle5

Member
I know, which makes me think it was some random physician- which is even scarier. I have worked in the medical field for years and the possible reprecussions are frightlful. The thing is, now my son is on an antibiotic. His doctor here said he had a virus and that an antibiotic would do no good. He is on amoxycillin, a family member of penicillin. I, my mother, my sister, and my other three children are all allergic to penicillin. My son has never had it for precautionary reasons. All I know is that my ex said he wouldn't have to pay because he ran it through his step sons insurance and identity. My ex said it was the other boys doc- but he lies a lot.. so , who knows.
 

delvalle5

Member
With my ex... he thinks he can do anything and the rules don't apply to him. He probably thinks that if he gets caught the only thing people will look at is the fact he was getting his son medical treatment. Forget that he had a perfectly legal means of providing the same care.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
delvalle5 said:
What is the name of your state? Washington

Here are some facts:
My son is visiting his father in California.
I have sole legal and pri**** physical custody.
My Ex is newly married and his new wife has a child the same age as my son.
My son has a virus.

The problem: I ended up sending my son to his father's even though he was ill. My son saw a physician befor going and was prescribed a course of treatment. My ex called and wanted to take him to the doctors there as his condition has not improved. I told him that his insurance only covers emergency services and that they would need a signed consent to treat from me. I called the insurance company and the hospital closest to my ex's location and made the appropriate arrangements. I called to find out if my ex would indeed be taking my son to the ER. My ex said no, that he took him to his step son's doctor and got him treated under his step son's insurance and identity so that he wouldn't have to wait in line at the ER. This doctor has no medical history regarding my son. My son is now on a prescription medication.

Question: Are there legal ramifications and should I be as upset as I am...
No you shouldn't be as upset as you are because it is not his fault.
You were going to be upset no matter what happened because you wanted to deny visitation, you had several options.

ER's are not for the treatment of routine illness nor does dad require your permission to get treatment in this case while in his care during his parenting time. It is not in your child's best interest to interfere with the care your child received or the method of payment.

I'll bet that note from the doctor makes no diagnosis or provides any warning that should the child require care while away from home and appears to have a bacterial infection, that there may be a family hypersensitivity to the penicillin family because you were only concerned with denying dad his visitation. Have you even provided dad with that information in case his child required medical attention while in his care? Would the ER have known any different or did you give them that information and not his father?

You child went to the doctor on Friday, he should have been better, so it is possible that he does have a bacterial infection and an antibiotic is appropriate. Remember we told you California has medical doctors and urgent care centers. Your child can receive medical treatment in California by competent physicians. Remember this child has different genes than you, your family and your other children who have a different father. Since he has a different father he is half as likely to have a reaction to penicillin or related Rx, in fact, even if he does have a genetic hypersensitivity to penicillin and he has never had any to date then he is unlikely to react the first course of treatment unless his father also has the same genetic hypersensitivity. Since his stepmother is 7.5 months pregnant, it is appropriate that your son receive treatment ASAP so as not to pass it along to other family members especially his pregnant stepmom.

Let your son enjoy his holiday visitation with his father, let him get to know his new stepmom and step brother and stop looking for ways to interfere with visitation.
 

delvalle5

Member
rmet4nzkx said:
No you shouldn't be as upset as you are because it is not his fault.
You were going to be upset no matter what happened because you wanted to deny visitation, you had several options.

ER's are not for the treatment of routine illness nor does dad require your permission to get treatment in this case while in his care during his parenting time. It is not in your child's best interest to interfere with the care your child received or the method of payment.

I'll bet that note from the doctor makes no diagnosis or provides any warning that should the child require care while away from home and appears to have a bacterial infection, that there may be a family hypersensitivity to the penicillin family because you were only concerned with denying dad his visitation. Have you even provided dad with that information in case his child required medical attention while in his care? Would the ER have known any different or did you give them that information and not his father?

You child went to the doctor on Friday, he should have been better, so it is possible that he does have a bacterial infection and an antibiotic is appropriate. Remember we told you California has medical doctors and urgent care centers. Your child can receive medical treatment in California by competent physicians. Remember this child has different genes than you, your family and your other children who have a different father. Since he has a different father he is half as likely to have a reaction to penicillin or related Rx, in fact, even if he does have a genetic hypersensitivity to penicillin and he has never had any to date then he is unlikely to react the first course of treatment unless his father also has the same genetic hypersensitivity. Since his stepmother is 7.5 months pregnant, it is appropriate that your son receive treatment ASAP so as not to pass it along to other family members especially his pregnant stepmom.

Let your son enjoy his holiday visitation with his father, let him get to know his new stepmom and step brother and stop looking for ways to interfere with visitation.
Hmm, interesting point of view. Well, lets go point by point.
1. I was married to the man, so he knew of the sensitivity to penicillin.
2. I took him to the doctor on day one of his illness... If the illness isn't supposed to last a week, well... it would be a short virus for the season.
3. I have sole legal custody... the reason I got that (in case you don't know, it is almost unheard of to get that in California) is because he is notoriously irresponsible. The neglect and abuse is why I got the Physical custody as well.
4. The ER where he could have taken my son has a sick wing for things like this.. how do I know? I used to work there. It has an emergency services area for things like ear aches, sore throats, etc.
5. I only wanted to postpone my son's visit by a couple of days for his health, it had nothing to do with how much I like or dislike my ex and I wasn't going to with hold the visit, just delay it.
6. I spoke to an attorney about this today. Next time, if my son is too sick to travel he will stay home. I am very good about taking him to the doctor, I have the medical knowlege to care for him-- he is an asthmatic in remission, so he could need additional care. Yes- his father knows- I am sure he remember me staying up all day and all night to give my son treatments every other hour when his asthma was severe.
7. Here is a quote from his wife's email to me "We had to bring B** into the doctor as well as he has become ill, too - while there our doctor listened to J***'s lungs as well (as a favor to us) and he is fine. They both have the same thing. Like you said it is a virus and we will keep giving him the recommended medication. Thank you for all the information - it is good for us to have on file." Remember, he already told me that my son was taking antibiotics-- for a virus? yeah, that's healthy. Let's make the strain resistant so that if it does turn bacterial we have to use an antibiotic that has possible liver or kidney function side effects.
8. If he was worried about his pregnant wife, he should have delayed the visit a couple of days and taken the extra time in the summer or some other time which wouldn't interfere with my son's school.
 
delvalle5 said:
1. I was married to the man, so he knew of the sensitivity to penicillin.
2. I took him to the doctor on day one of his illness...
3. I have sole legal custody... the reason I got that (in case you don't know, it is almost unheard of to get that in California) is because he is notoriously irresponsible. The neglect and abuse is why I got the Physical custody as well.
4. The ER where he could have taken my son has a sick wing for things like this.. how do I know? I used to work there. It has an emergency services area for things like ear aches, sore throats, etc.
5. I only wanted to postpone my son's visit by a couple of days for his health, it had nothing to do with how much I like or dislike my ex and I wasn't going to with hold the visit, just delay it.
6. I spoke to an attorney about this today. Next time, if my son is too sick to travel he will stay home. I am very good about taking him to the doctor, I have the medical knowlege to care for him -- he is an asthmatic in remission, so he could need additional care. Yes- his father knows- I am sure he remember me staying up all day and night to give my son treatments every other hour when his asthma was severe.
7. Here is a quote from his wife's email to me "We had to bring B** into the doctor as well as he has become ill, too - while there our doctor listened to J***'s lungs as well (as a favor to us) and he is fine. They both have the same thing. Like you said it is a virus and we will keep giving him the recommended medication. Thank you for all the information - it is good for us to have on file." Remember, he already told me that my son was taking antibiotics-- for a virus? yeah, that's healthy. Let's make the strain resistant so that if it does turn bacterial we have to use an antibiotic that has possible liver or kidney function side effects.
8. If he was worried about his pregnant wife, he should have delayed the visit a couple of days and taken the extra time in the summer or some other time which wouldn't interfere with my son's school.
1. Did you fly the child on the same airline flygrl works for?!

2. How did the child survive the flight? I remember that was a major 911 concern.

3. I'm surprised this kid is still alive in Dad's care.

4. Maybe I misunderstood -- The first post made it sound like Dad was commiting insurance fraud...The quote from Dad's wife sounds more like the doctor understood the situation (a stepchild visiting) and provided medical care AT NO COST (must be a quack!)

5. I'm getting sick just reading this post. Hopefully my virus won't turn bacterial.

MY ADVICE: Good news -- when Jr. gets home, you can take him to the doctor, again! Fortunately, only about 10% of children with parents who are sensitive to penicillin type drugs will develop a similar allergy. A simple skin test will identify if Jr. is allergic or not. So...if you were so concerned about this possible drug allergy...why didn't you have Jr. tested A LONG TIME AGO when you worked at the hospital?!

Get off the soapbox and enjoy the Christmas season! Jr.'s in Cali...go out on a date! Or stay in and rent "As Good As It Gets" (features a child who is asthmatic!)

Or read up on some new diseases...here's one for ya...

Munchausen by proxy syndrome (MBPS) is one of the most harmful forms of child abuse. It is also perplexing. MBPS involves an apparent deeply caring mother who repeatedly fabricates symptoms or provokes actual illnesses in her helpless infant or child. MBPS was first described in 1977 by Meadow; since then more than 200 MBPS related articles have appeared, the majority being case descriptions. Understanding the dynamics of this disorder is of utmost importance because growing evidence indicates that it is more common than previously believed and it is devastating if not fatal for the children and infants. It is also important to mention the effects MBPS has on others who become involved in this cases, particularly nurses and physicians.

Maybe the most important aspect of this syndrome is the immense ability of the mother to fool doctors and the susceptibility of physicians to her manipulations. The hospital, which is the most common setting for MBPS cases, is where as much as 75% of the MBPS-related morbidity occurs as a consequence of attempts by physicians to diagnose and treat the affected child or infant. More than 98% of MBPS cases involve female perpetrators. Even the most experienced pediatricians often miss evident clues left by these mothers.

Although there are many case reports of MBPS, no population-based prevalence data exist. The average length of time to establish a diagnosis of MBPS generally exceeds 6 months; often a sibling has died of undiagnosed causes before the MBPS is uncovered. Jani et al found that during a 2-year period nearly 50% of patients discharged against medical advice satisfied at least three of six characteristics of MBPS.

The most common fabrications or modes of symptom inducement in MBPS involve seizures, failure to thrive, vomiting and diarrhea, asthma/allergies, and infections. Although total agreement has not yet been reached on what defines MBPS, it is believed that the syndrome requires that secondary gains from the fabrication of illness not be the prime motivation. When the definition of MBPS is limited in this way, the motivation of the mother appears to go well beyond simple attention-seeking behavior, as is often suggested both in the literature and in more popular presentations. It represents a need to be in a perverse relationship with a doctor or hospital staff, in which the mother is very dependent on them while simultaneously and purposefully causing great harm and confusion both to the child and the caretaker.

Perverse relating is used here, in the sense of recent psychoanalytic thought, as a character disorder. It entails a conscious violation of social norms and a certain gleefulness in being able to fool powerful, sought-after parental figures. Furthermore, in cases of MBPS these perverse activities are not carried out in a psychotic or dissociative state. The hallmark of perverse thought processes is the ability to carry two diametrically contradictory concepts in consciousness simultaneously. These women feel like good mothers at the very moment they are seriously harming their children. Their conceptual thought is very poor, but their perceptual abilities are quite sharp, at least in the medicine area. Even though they are constantly giving clues to their behaviors, they have an ability to organize the perceptions of doctors so that they miss or ignore such clues! In this dramatic “play” the child matters little to the mother, despite her appearance of deeply caring for the child. When left alone, they pay little attention to their sick child.
 
I'm just shaking my head. I wonder what this wacko would do with my son or any other child who has serious medical issues. :rolleyes: Lady, get off your high horse. The child obviously survived being on penicillin while in his father's care. And this your comment, "Let's make the strain resistant so that if it does turn bacterial we have to use an antibiotic that has possible liver or kidney function side effects;" Talk about Drama. :eek:
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
delvalle5 said:
Hmm, interesting point of view.
ANd so is your most recent spin on things, nice try, no cigar. ;)

delvalle5 said:
Well, lets go point by point.
You would.


delvalle5 said:
1. I was married to the man, so he knew of the sensitivity to penicillin.
Then why would you think that he would do anything to harm his son, even so, the chance is small that your son would have a reaction even if he was sensitive unless dad had the same hypersensitivity, which you would have mentioned.

delvalle5 said:
2. I took him to the doctor on day one of his illness... If the illness isn't supposed to last a week, well... it would be a short virus for the season.
It doesn't matter, at this point we can't trust anything you claim but even so, your child should have been better, so a visit to the doctor not the ER was appropriate. Like I told you before, there are competent doctors in California and your ex doesn't need your permission to get medical treatment for the child.

delvalle5 said:
3. I have sole legal custody... the reason I got that (in case you don't know, it is almost unheard of to get that in California) is because he is notoriously irresponsible. The neglect and abuse is why I got the Physical custody as well.
More spin! You manipulated to get a change of venue, jurisdiction moved to WA because it favored mothers, you braged about that. More than likely, as you relate, he is easily pushed around by both you and his new wife. You have a stipulated agreement as a court order, so he agreed to yur wishes, nothing proved aboiut neglect, he just gave into you to keep the stress less for his child, what you are upset about is that he (or his new wife) is asserting himself and exercising his parental rights, rights which you want to deny.

delvalle5 said:
4. The ER where he could have taken my son has a sick wing for things like this.. how do I know? I used to work there. It has an emergency services area for things like ear aches, sore throats, etc.
It doesn't matter, you don't control the situation. Your son received appropriate care. You also said in your other thread that the child has no doctor there, don't you think it a wise idea since he will be visiting for the child to have a medical provider there who has access to his medical history since you now claim he has asthma? Who did the child see when the child lived in CA? So you used to work there, where, in housekeeping? You obviously have no medical training, nor did you make reference to any medical training before, only that you were a college student with a 4.0 average and that your ex was illiterate as if that was supposed to impress anyone.

delvalle5 said:
5. I only wanted to postpone my son's visit by a couple of days for his health, it had nothing to do with how much I like or dislike my ex and I wasn't going to with hold the visit, just delay it.
And a couple of days would not have made a difference, you didn't want to pay for the cost of travel or drive you child all the way to his father to avoid any problem from changes in cabin pressure, you made no mention of asthma. Your child's doctor approved his travel and provided you with information for his comfort, but your child didn't improve, so your ex did the right thing and sought out appropriate medical care. You are uspet because you don't have control over it, which raises other questions.

delvalle5 said:
6. I spoke to an attorney about this today. Next time, if my son is too sick to travel he will stay home. I am very good about taking him to the doctor, I have the medical knowlege to care for him-- he is an asthmatic in remission, so he could need additional care. Yes- his father knows- I am sure he remember me staying up all day and all night to give my son treatments every other hour when his asthma was severe.
Your child was not too sick to travel. Remember his doctor wrote a note? YOU cannot continue to look for ways to deny visitation Your ex will file for contempt, he has told you this and we have told you that, if you found an attorney to tell you otherwise you didn't give them the facts. You have not demonstrated that you have the medical knowledge to care for him and now all of a sudden you bring up asthma? Did you have your son tested for A1AD? Did you send your child with his asthma Rx and inhalers in case they were needed? Your child has learning disorders and your belief is that they are related to your ex because you have a 4.0, but actually the learning disorder is more likely to be related to you depending on the nature of the disorder, I would suspect you because of your confabulations.

delvalle5 said:
7. Here is a quote from his wife's email to me "We had to bring B** into the doctor as well as he has become ill, too - while there our doctor listened to J***'s lungs as well (as a favor to us) and he is fine. They both have the same thing. Like you said it is a virus and we will keep giving him the recommended medication. Thank you for all the information - it is good for us to have on file." Remember, he already told me that my son was taking antibiotics-- for a virus? yeah, that's healthy. Let's make the strain resistant so that if it does turn bacterial we have to use an antibiotic that has possible liver or kidney function side effects.
So your whole story is a confabulation, in hopes to get someone to advise you to deny visitation or to seek appropriate medical care for the child. Now your child has a doctor they can see while visiting in California, you need to cooporate with that and quite interfering with your ex's parental rights. BTW, asthmatics may be prescribed antibiotics even for a virus but that is not the issue.

Side effects? Every substance you child injests is metabolized via either the liver or kindeys, housekeeping, you must have worked in housekeeping.

delvalle5 said:
8. If he was worried about his pregnant wife, he should have delayed the visit a couple of days and taken the extra time in the summer or some other time which wouldn't interfere with my son's school.
He is worried about both his child and his pregnant wife and you need to STOP interfering with his parental rights. No doubt you will find other excuses. :rolleyes:
 
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delvalle5

Member
"Then why would you think that he would do anything to harm his son, even so, the chance is small that your son would have a reaction even if he was sensitive unless dad had the same hypersensitivity, which you would have mentioned."
Because I was married to him, and even though I think that my son needs a healthy relationship with him, I don't think it should be to the detriment of the child.

"It doesn't matter, at this point we can't trust anything you claim but even so, your child should have been better, so a visit to the doctor not the ER was appropriate. Like I told you before, there are competent doctors in California and your ex doesn't need your permission to get medical treatment for the child."
Why such an inflammatory statement? You don't know me, nor most of the details of my situtation. Strike a nerve?

"More spin! You manipulated to get a change of venue, jurisdiction moved to WA because it favored mothers, you braged about that. More than likely, as you relate, he is easily pushed around by both you and his new wife. You have a stipulated agreement as a court order, so he agreed to yur wishes, nothing proved aboiut neglect, he just gave into you to keep the stress less for his child, what you are upset about is that he (or his new wife) is asserting himself and exercising his parental rights, rights which you want to deny."
I was awarded custody in 2000. I moved to Washington in the end of 2001. The case was moved here, to Washington, this summer. We have a court stipulation on visitation only. I happen to like his new wife, even if she is under the influence of my ex.

It doesn't matter, you don't control the situation. Your son received appropriate care. You also said in your other thread that the child has no doctor there, don't you think it a wise idea since he will be visiting for the child to have a medical provider there who has access to his medical history since you now claim he has asthma? Who did the child see when the child lived in CA? So you used to work there, where, in housekeeping? You obviously have no medical training, nor did you make reference to any medical training before, only that you were a college student with a 4.0 average and that your ex was illiterate as if that was supposed to impress anyone.
First of all, if you look at my profile, you will see that I did not work in housekeeping. Second, my medical training and schooling has been ongoing for the last six years. My talking about my ex's illiteracy was in reference to genetics- He's not stupid, just not book smart.

And a couple of days would not have made a difference, you didn't want to pay for the cost of travel or drive you child all the way to his father to avoid any problem from changes in cabin pressure, you made no mention of asthma. Your child's doctor approved his travel and provided you with information for his comfort, but your child didn't improve, so your ex did the right thing and sought out appropriate medical care. You are uspet because you don't have control over it, which raises other questions.
Hello>>> the ticket was already purchased and paid for. I offered to drive half way. The doctors note said he "highly recommended" that travel be postponed-- verbally he told me that the child could fly if absolutely necessary.

Your child was not too sick to travel. Remember his doctor wrote a note? YOU cannot continue to look for ways to deny visitation Your ex will file for contempt, he has told you this and we have told you that, if you found an attorney to tell you otherwise you didn't give them the facts. You have not demonstrated that you have the medical knowledge to care for him and now all of a sudden you bring up asthma? Did you have your son tested for A1AD? Did you send your child with his asthma Rx and inhalers in case they were needed? Your child has learning disorders and your belief is that they are related to your ex because you have a 4.0, but actually the learning disorder is more likely to be related to you depending on the nature of the disorder, I would suspect you because of your confabulations.
Be sure to read thoroughly. His asthma is in remission. and yes, he always has medication with him just in case, but since they took him off singulair, he hasn't had to use anything.

So your whole story is a confabulation, in hopes to get someone to advise you to deny visitation or to seek appropriate medical care for the child. Now your child has a doctor they can see while visiting in California, you need to cooporate with that and quite interfering with your ex's parental rights. BTW, asthmatics may be prescribed antibiotics even for a virus but that is not the issue.
Half of our family has asthma and we do not get antibiotics for a virus. Why would you want to submit your body to them if you didn't have to? Our children don't get medicine if they don't need it. I don't interfere with his parental rights and have a hard time believing that because I wanted to delay a visit by two days -- and only once in six years-- that you would be so cynical... perhaps you have been the father denied visitation, I don't know. My ex gets more visitation than the average guy and I have never gotten in his way, never even tried until now. Why would I? My son loves going to California- he has friends there.

Side effects? Every substance you child injests is metabolized via either the liver or kindeys, housekeeping, you must have worked in housekeeping.
As I am sure you are aware, some substances are harder on the organs than other. Amoxicillin isn't harsh, but ceflex is.... are you telling me that you think jello could raise my son's enzymes?? Come on. Chemicals hurt the body, period.

As to the quote from my ex's wife's email... What she tells me and what he tells me are always two different things. I had not recieved that email until after I posted this and after I spoke to my ex and he knew he had done something wrong. If I were going to cover my butt, I would put it in writing too.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
delvalle5 said:
"Then why would you think that he would do anything to harm his son, even so, the chance is small that your son would have a reaction even if he was sensitive unless dad had the same hypersensitivity, which you would have mentioned."
Because I was married to him, and even though I think that my son needs a healthy relationship with him, I don't think it should be to the detriment of the child.

"It doesn't matter, at this point we can't trust anything you claim but even so, your child should have been better, so a visit to the doctor not the ER was appropriate. Like I told you before, there are competent doctors in California and your ex doesn't need your permission to get medical treatment for the child."
Why such an inflammatory statement? You don't know me, nor most of the details of my situtation. Strike a nerve?

"More spin! You manipulated to get a change of venue, jurisdiction moved to WA because it favored mothers, you braged about that. More than likely, as you relate, he is easily pushed around by both you and his new wife. You have a stipulated agreement as a court order, so he agreed to yur wishes, nothing proved aboiut neglect, he just gave into you to keep the stress less for his child, what you are upset about is that he (or his new wife) is asserting himself and exercising his parental rights, rights which you want to deny."
I was awarded custody in 2000. I moved to Washington in the end of 2001. The case was moved here, to Washington, this summer. We have a court stipulation on visitation only. I happen to like his new wife, even if she is under the influence of my ex.

It doesn't matter, you don't control the situation. Your son received appropriate care. You also said in your other thread that the child has no doctor there, don't you think it a wise idea since he will be visiting for the child to have a medical provider there who has access to his medical history since you now claim he has asthma? Who did the child see when the child lived in CA? So you used to work there, where, in housekeeping? You obviously have no medical training, nor did you make reference to any medical training before, only that you were a college student with a 4.0 average and that your ex was illiterate as if that was supposed to impress anyone.
First of all, if you look at my profile, you will see that I did not work in housekeeping. Second, my medical training and schooling has been ongoing for the last six years. My talking about my ex's illiteracy was in reference to genetics- He's not stupid, just not book smart.

And a couple of days would not have made a difference, you didn't want to pay for the cost of travel or drive you child all the way to his father to avoid any problem from changes in cabin pressure, you made no mention of asthma. Your child's doctor approved his travel and provided you with information for his comfort, but your child didn't improve, so your ex did the right thing and sought out appropriate medical care. You are uspet because you don't have control over it, which raises other questions.
Hello>>> the ticket was already purchased and paid for. I offered to drive half way. The doctors note said he "highly recommended" that travel be postponed-- verbally he told me that the child could fly if absolutely necessary.

Your child was not too sick to travel. Remember his doctor wrote a note? YOU cannot continue to look for ways to deny visitation Your ex will file for contempt, he has told you this and we have told you that, if you found an attorney to tell you otherwise you didn't give them the facts. You have not demonstrated that you have the medical knowledge to care for him and now all of a sudden you bring up asthma? Did you have your son tested for A1AD? Did you send your child with his asthma Rx and inhalers in case they were needed? Your child has learning disorders and your belief is that they are related to your ex because you have a 4.0, but actually the learning disorder is more likely to be related to you depending on the nature of the disorder, I would suspect you because of your confabulations.
Be sure to read thoroughly. His asthma is in remission. and yes, he always has medication with him just in case, but since they took him off singulair, he hasn't had to use anything.

So your whole story is a confabulation, in hopes to get someone to advise you to deny visitation or to seek appropriate medical care for the child. Now your child has a doctor they can see while visiting in California, you need to cooporate with that and quite interfering with your ex's parental rights. BTW, asthmatics may be prescribed antibiotics even for a virus but that is not the issue.
Half of our family has asthma and we do not get antibiotics for a virus. Why would you want to submit your body to them if you didn't have to? Our children don't get medicine if they don't need it. I don't interfere with his parental rights and have a hard time believing that because I wanted to delay a visit by two days -- and only once in six years-- that you would be so cynical... perhaps you have been the father denied visitation, I don't know. My ex gets more visitation than the average guy and I have never gotten in his way, never even tried until now. Why would I? My son loves going to California- he has friends there.

Side effects? Every substance you child injests is metabolized via either the liver or kindeys, housekeeping, you must have worked in housekeeping.
As I am sure you are aware, some substances are harder on the organs than other. Amoxicillin isn't harsh, but ceflex is.... are you telling me that you think jello could raise my son's enzymes?? Come on. Chemicals hurt the body, period.

As to the quote from my ex's wife's email... What she tells me and what he tells me are always two different things. I had not recieved that email until after I posted this and after I spoke to my ex and he knew he had done something wrong. If I were going to cover my butt, I would put it in writing too.
You make many claims and they change.
In your profile you make the claim of being a lab tech, yet having a child with asthma and a family history of asthma, yet you know nothing about getting your child tested for A1AD? THere is a grant that covers this testing :rolleyes: please contact http://www.alphaone.org/alpha1/what_is_alpha1.html for free and confidential testing, you can draw the blood yourself for the phenotype test when he returns from visiting his father.
 

delvalle5

Member
rmet4nzkx said:
You make many claims and they change.
In your profile you make the claim of being a lab tech, yet having a child with asthma and a family history of asthma, yet you know nothing about getting your child tested for A1AD? THere is a grant that covers this testing :rolleyes: please contact http://www.alphaone.org/alpha1/what_is_alpha1.html for free and confidential testing, you can draw the blood yourself for the phenotype test when he returns from visiting his father.
He has never been tested for the alpha 1 which, until recently, was considered an elective test and not covered by insurance. First of all, you need to look at the medical history, which you do not know. He has no enzymatic dysfunction whatsoever. There is a family history of asthma, not liver problems. I appreciate the diagnosis Dr. rmet, however, I am a lab and ER tech... I have to ask, do you think that all the doctors my sons have seen in the past would have missed such a test had it been pertinent? His asthma is in remission, no history of jaundice, he did have reflux as an infant which aggravated his asthma. My twins had RSV which triggered an inflammation of the lining of the lungs and they have been mildly symptomatic ever since. I, too, am asthmatic. Notice that it is all respiratory and not enzymatic. Also, the law prevents me from ordering my own lab tests. There are only certain tests a patient can order and only in certain states. Usually, they are HCG, Glucose and Cholesterol (not full lipids). Please, if you really want to test my medical knowledge, throw me some terms that a layman wouldn't know. I can tell you all about the erythropoetin that my youngest twin recieved in lieu of a transfusion... ICD-9 codes 244.9 or 242.9 relate to hyper and hypothryroidism.... throw me something random... I've been in the lab since 1989... did take a break to work the ER and the Pediatric oncology wing... please, be my guest.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
delvalle5 said:
He has never been tested for the alpha 1 which, until recently, was considered an elective test and not covered by insurance. First of all, you need to look at the medical history, which you do not know. He has no enzymatic dysfunction whatsoever. There is a family history of asthma, not liver problems. I appreciate the diagnosis Dr. rmet, however, I am a lab and ER tech... I have to ask, do you think that all the doctors my sons have seen in the past would have missed such a test had it been pertinent? His asthma is in remission, no history of jaundice, he did have reflux as an infant which aggravated his asthma. My twins had RSV which triggered an inflammation of the lining of the lungs and they have been mildly symptomatic ever since. I, too, am asthmatic. Notice that it is all respiratory and not enzymatic. Also, the law prevents me from ordering my own lab tests. There are only certain tests a patient can order and only in certain states. Usually, they are HCG, Glucose and Cholesterol (not full lipids). Please, if you really want to test my medical knowledge, throw me some terms that a layman wouldn't know. I can tell you all about the erythropoetin that my youngest twin recieved in lieu of a transfusion... ICD-9 codes 244.9 or 242.9 relate to hyper and hypothryroidism.... throw me something random... I've been in the lab since 1989... did take a break to work the ER and the Pediatric oncology wing... please, be my guest.
Yes, it is very possible for your child to be treated by experts and not tested for this or for them to be aware of the free / confidential testing available. Having this diagnosis can affect your insurance that is why confidential testing is available. I have given you information that a layperson wouldn't know and to go into great depth is beyond the scope of this forum you can send me a PM. I suggest you contact the Foundation tomorrow and order the tests and then start educating yourself on this common genetic disorder. A1AD consists of an number of phenotypes, some present with liver, others with lung disorders. A1AD is found in some form in approximately 13% of the caucasian population. Actually when you learn more about the specific enzymes elastin, collagen etc. affected by ATT you will see how it is related to bleeding disorders (vW factor VIII & XIa), Arthritis, lupus************** many health conditions including aneurysms. It doesn't take a detailed medical history to reccommend the test, only certain triggers. There is no routine screening because it is an acute reactant and serum levels may be WNL in variants when they are reacting that is why I suggested the phenotype test, for your whole family.
The testing for A1AD has been available for FREE for years through the Alpha1 Foundation.
 

delvalle5

Member
I'm not entirely sure how all this relates to my legal question, but I'll bite. Here is something you may be interested in. (Notice all the "may"s and "could"s if you visit the website) Out of the myriad of symptoms listed, my son has one. Wow, maybe I should just jump right up and assume he has this :rolleyes: Here goes. Notice that, as required by law, the results are still released and read by a physician. Confidential, like every other test any patient recieves, but still interpreted by a physician, like every other test any patient receives. Thank you for thinking of my children though. It is good information.


http://www.alphalungtransplant-info.cityslide.com/page/page/179209.htm
SOME IMPORTANT FACTS ABOUT ALPHA-1
*Is an inherited genetic disorder resulting in low levels or no, ATT.
*May cause lung disease in adults.
*May cause progressive liver damage in adults, children and infants.
*Is often under diagnosed.
*Is treatable, not curable.
*Is easily identified by a blood test.

WHAT ARE THE SIGNS SUGGESTING ALPHA-1?

1-Immediate family history of Alpha-1, lung or liver disease.
2-Symptoms

*Shortness of breath at rest or with exercise.
*Wheezing.
*Coughing
*Repeated lung infections
*Sputum (or phlegm) production
*History of suspected allergies and/or asthma.

3-Any of these medical problems:

*Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)
*Emphysema
*Bronchiectasis
*Chronic bronchitis
*Asthma
*Chronic liver disease in adults
*The skin disease panniculitis
*Unexplained liver disease in infants and children.

It is important to note people with Alpha-1 may not show any signs of the disorder for many years. This does not mean that you will not have symptoms in the future.

WHAT IS INVOLVED IN TESTING FOR ALPHA-1?

Testing for Alpha-1 is simple, quick and highly accurate.

Two types of tests are used. One examines your blood to determine the amount of ATT in your blood. The second determines the type of ATT protein you have. Both tests can be done in a single blood sample.

There are two ways to take the blood for these tests.

One is a self-administered finger stick. (A growing use of this method is anticipated.)

The other way is to have your health care provider draw blood during an office visit. The cost of the test can vary greatly whether it is done at a commercial lab or a research center.

ONCE THE BLOOD SAMPLE IS OBTAINED:
*It is shipped to a lab for analysis.
*You will wait about two weeks for the confidential test results to be reported to your health care provider.
*You will need to schedule a follow-up visit with your health care provider to receive your test results and assist you in obtaining further genetic counseling, if appropriate.

WHAT WILL THE TESTS TELL YOU?

The tests will tell you the amount of ATT in your blood and whether or not you have normal genes, are a carrier (having one normal gene and one altered ATT gene), or have a severe deficiency of ATT. It is important for your health care provider to know the amount of ATT you have circulating in your blood. If the amount of ATT in your blood is low your health care provider can use this information to guide plans


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