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ErinGoBragh

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I'm calling troll on this poster. 3 threads in two days, and he never takes the legal advice given? It's a sure sign.

*Nails up her "Don't feed the troll" sign to the thread*
 


Zephyr

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Because dad never is satisfied. There has been so much give...we just gave out. If things don't go exactly his way, he throws a fit like a baby, and uses the child as a pawn. When she is in his custody, it is hell. He changes days that he says he will allow her to come home, he will not allow anyone to pick the child up except my wife, which is usually not a problem except for the time she had to work, and the time she was eight months pregnant...not so easy to make a fourteen hour trip and docs orders say not to fly. So not only does his decisions effect the child, but they effect MY children, their well being, their safety.. He cannot be satisfied... It is not my responsibility, or my wife's to cater to this guy. Rights are rights. We just want him to stick to his court order...THAT"S IT. We are in a protective mode, not so much as reactionary..
Until your behavior and attitude change, I wouldn't expect dad's to. Not that he's right or wrong- but it's you who have identified a problem, he isn't here asking how to make the situation better.

You cannot hang onto those one or two issues and and use them to justify uncooperative behavior. The court has already determined that on some level your and mom's behavior about the child's relationship with dad is wrong, if you were in protective mode, you would be doing everything possible to change the courts mind about that.

It is not your job to teach dad a lesson.
It is not your job to make sure dad follows the rules.
It is not your job to dole out karma.

Your (as in you specifically) job is to not be a detriment to mom's case and daughter's relationship with dad. If you have any negative effect on either of those then you are not doing your job.
 

wileybunch

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Look, moldableman, you are not the first man to step in and parent someone else's child. You are not the first man to marry a women that deeply regrets having had any sort of relationship -- much less a sexual one that produced a child -- with a man she now considers a loser and she shudders at even the sight of the man or the sound of his voice.

You need to hear this clearly ---

It is not a contest.
It doesn't matter what you think of him.
It actually doesn't even matter with regard to WHO the child should legally be calling "Dad" if "Dad" does end up being an abuser EVEN IF he were to be convicted of the same (which I realize hasn't happened, abuse allegations have not even been substantiated).

I'm just making it very clear that none of these are grounds to NOT call Dad "Dad" and/or to call ANOTHER man "Dad". Period. End of story. Even if.

I am both a stepmother and have remarried with children from a prior marriage. I'm not going to go into detail for the sake of this discussion, but your situation is not at all unique and you need to stop acting like it is an using emotional arguments for legal questions. Period. Even if.

Now, on to the "harassment" situation. There are many ways to curtail conversations to just the basic minimum. I mentioned that I am remarried. My husband has children and therefore an ex. She is a nightmare and she always will be. That's just the way she is. For the most part, there's nothing my DH can do about her poor choices. And, that is EVEN THOUGH they have the standard verbiage in their court order not to disparage the other parent, etc. Of course she does that.

My husband keeps as much of their conversations to email as possible. She tends to fly off the handle, be impulsive, immature, etc. At least by having to stop and write, she can think a LITTLE (apparently not much) about what she says. And, so can DH because she's awfully maddening.

When he's said all that he needs to, he ignores. When she calls his cell phone, the house phone, rinse, repeat, etc., he ignores. For the most part, he talks to her very rarely "live". At times, he will when the situation is tame enough because her ego loves the attention so when it's "safe" for him, he'll feed it a little. Also if he knows he HAS to take a call from her b/c of something going on, first thing he usually says is "I only have a minute, what do you need".

You just have to let your wife put her big girl panties on, so to speak, and manage her relationship with her ex. They once did all that, talking, etc. including having sex to make a baby so not to be crude, but she didn't need someone there protecting her then so give her more credit to deal with him, just encourage her to (a) read the posts written here that are for HER vs. having the information come through you and (b) encourage her to disengage from convos that are going off track and not producing anything worthwhile. And, FYI, there are ways to do that without adding fuel to the fire or being as immature and impulsive as the other party. She can warn him that the conversation needs to be about XYZ and that she will need to end the call if it goes off track. Then if it does, she needs to follow through.
 

wileybunch

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Don't want the kid to go to psychologist
That is his right, plain and simple.
But, Mom can petition the court and a judge can make a decision.

Don't want the kid to be in the gifted program at school
OK, this is really not a big deal, the child won't shrivel up and die. But, Mom can also petition the court.

Don't want to pay for medical
This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

Don't want to pay for daycare
This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

Don't want to pay for extra curricular activities
Say what? I have never ONCE asked my ex in 9 years to pay for any extracurriculars for our kids that involved in sports 3 seasons/year and also take private piano lessons. If the court order requires it, then see previous responses.

Don't want to pay my share of transportation costs, but will take you to court if you interfere
This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

Don't want to negotiate, I just want my visitation and then some
He's entitled to his visitation. Period. He doesn't have to negotiate. In fact, when there is a lot of contention, it's best that the parties simply STICK TO THE COURT ORDER, PERIOD. End of story. Don't even bother asking for favors, just leave it be and keep the communication and conflict to a minimum.
 
That is his right, plain and simple.
But, Mom can petition the court and a judge can make a decision.

OK, this is really not a big deal, the child won't shrivel up and die. But, Mom can also petition the court.

This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

Say what? I have never ONCE asked my ex in 9 years to pay for any extracurriculars for our kids that involved in sports 3 seasons/year and also take private piano lessons. If the court order requires it, then see previous responses.

This should be spelled out in court order and parties should comply or file a motion for contempt after clear attempts to have the court order complied with are ignored.

He's entitled to his visitation. Period. He doesn't have to negotiate. In fact, when there is a lot of contention, it's best that the parties simply STICK TO THE COURT ORDER, PERIOD. End of story. Don't even bother asking for favors, just leave it be and keep the communication and conflict to a minimum.
Thank you for the constructive posts. That is what I have been after the whole time. So, the answer is that mom can appeal to the court about Bio-man's neglect and behavior. Hopefully next time we can get an answer without all of the step-bashing....dang...
 
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