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Innocent 14yr old being charged in TN

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myshare_2000

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Last weekend, my 14 yr old son was skateboarding with a friend and met up with some other boys near a vacant field close to our home. An old sharecropper home sat on the property with only the concrete foundation remaining. The boys began investigation the area and some skateboarded on the foundation. A 13 yr old kid that my son did not know set some leaves and grass on fire. Most of the boys watched the fire; some fueled the fire. Someone found an old chair and tossed it on the fire. It got bigger and smoked a lot. My son and his friend did not participate in any of this activity but watched it. When the fire got bigger, they left the area. When they no longer saw smoke, they returned. A fire truck arrived and all the boys ran away. The kid who started the fire later returned and police questioned him. He named all the kids present.
On Tuesday, a cop came to the Middle school and interviewed my son and collected his contact info. I called the cop and he came to our home to advise that my son was being charged with reckless burning. He specifically said that trespassing was not an issue. The petition says “did take part in the burning of property not belonging to the subjects involved and on property not belonging to them.”
I did not allow the cop to obtain a statement from my son. I told him that my son was innocent and if he would complete his investigations he would know this. He said that several children said that my son was involved. I think that others may have named him because he was there but not specifically named him as fueling the fire. At least one kid gave a statement of his not participating.
He has a court date and is being charged as a delinquent which could have jail time of 11/29 and/or $1,000 in fines. I told the cop that my son is a good student and has never been in any trouble before and why can’t he be charged with some lesser charge like Unruly child, etc. He said that you cannot charge an adult as unruly.
I need advice to prepare for the upcoming court date before the judge. I wonder whether we are entitled to the other kid’s statement(s). I wonder whether it would be helpful to request statements taken by us from the kids involved. I feel like getting our own statements might show that others did not see my son fuel the fire.
Please let me know other helpful info.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
My first suggestion would be to find someone to defend your son who is objective. You are too close to realize that your son may not be the angel that you paint him as.
 

Antigone*

Senior Member
Last weekend, my 14 yr old son was skateboarding with a friend and met up with some other boys near a vacant field close to our home. An old sharecropper home sat on the property with only the concrete foundation remaining. The boys began investigation the area and some skateboarded on the foundation. A 13 yr old kid that my son did not know set some leaves and grass on fire. Most of the boys watched the fire; some fueled the fire. Someone found an old chair and tossed it on the fire. It got bigger and smoked a lot. My son and his friend did not participate in any of this activity but watched it. When the fire got bigger, they left the area. When they no longer saw smoke, they returned. A fire truck arrived and all the boys ran away. The kid who started the fire later returned and police questioned him. He named all the kids present.
On Tuesday, a cop came to the Middle school and interviewed my son and collected his contact info. I called the cop and he came to our home to advise that my son was being charged with reckless burning. He specifically said that trespassing was not an issue. The petition says “did take part in the burning of property not belonging to the subjects involved and on property not belonging to them.”
I did not allow the cop to obtain a statement from my son. I told him that my son was innocent and if he would complete his investigations he would know this. He said that several children said that my son was involved. I think that others may have named him because he was there but not specifically named him as fueling the fire. At least one kid gave a statement of his not participating.
He has a court date and is being charged as a delinquent which could have jail time of 11/29 and/or $1,000 in fines. I told the cop that my son is a good student and has never been in any trouble before and why can’t he be charged with some lesser charge like Unruly child, etc. He said that you cannot charge an adult as unruly.
I need advice to prepare for the upcoming court date before the judge. I wonder whether we are entitled to the other kid’s statement(s). I wonder whether it would be helpful to request statements taken by us from the kids involved. I feel like getting our own statements might show that others did not see my son fuel the fire.
Please let me know other helpful info.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
My suggestion is that you get your son some legal counsel. He did nothing to stop the crime that is almost as bad - and criminal.

I would also have the kid start doing odd jobs for neighbor so that he can pay whatever fines may be levied against him and for the cost of the attorney.

Your son also needs to make a better choice in friends.
 

RRevak

Senior Member
My suggestion is that you get your son some legal counsel. He did nothing to stop the crime that is almost as bad - and criminal.

I would also have the kid start doing odd jobs for neighbor so that he can pay whatever fines may be levied against him and for the cost of the attorney.

Your son also needs to make a better choice in friends.
OP, getting statements from others is not going to amount to a whole heck of a lot of beans here. The bottom line is that your son is just as guilty as they are. Rather than choose to either walk away from the whole scenerio or walk away and report it himself, he instead chose to stay and watch...ergo making him a participant by proxy. No judge is going to look at it any other way. Even if he didnt light the match, he helped by standing there silently encouraging. Your mission now should be to work with the attorneys in dealing with this issue and the ramifications of your sons actions (or lack thereof) and make this a lesson to your son as to how to better handle a situation like this should it ever come again....hopefully for you and your sons sake it wont.


I second WAnny's idea but also add that you needs to sit down with your son and explain that because of his actions in not stopping the crime and not at least walking away when the crime was being committed, that you both now have to deal with his court issues. Explain to sonny boy how unfair this is to you and the rest of your family and that he has to take responsibility now. I think WAnny's suggestion of making son work to pay off the legal fees is a fantastic idea! Maybe also making son do these things instead of enjoying the thanksgiving break thats coming up, and maybe the christmas break as well. If he does manage to escape a jail sentence maybe working rather than enjoying time with his friends for the holidays will teach him that things suck when you make bad choices.

But that would only apply if you wake up and realize that your son is just as bad as the other kids taking part in this incident :rolleyes:
 
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myshare_2000

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Legal replies only... don't need a preacher

Although I have never been to this site before, I anticipated serious, legal advice not judgement statements.
Remember, he's 14 AND NOT A CRIMINAL!
 

RRevak

Senior Member
Although I have never been to this site before, I anticipated serious, legal advice not judgement statements.
Remember, he's 14 AND NOT A CRIMINAL!
I edited my post to include legalities. Re read. And yes, despite his age your son is indeed a criminal in this one. Did he walk away? NO. Did he report that these boys were committing criminal acts? NO. Your son stood there and silently participated and then tucked his tail and ran...again choosing to not report this to LEO. Get the idea now?
 

Isis1

Senior Member
Although I have never been to this site before, I anticipated serious, legal advice not judgement statements.
Remember, he's 14 AND NOT A CRIMINAL!
standing there and NOT reporting it, says otherwise.

once he is sentenced, he will be. funny thing about having a criminal history. yup, yup.

had your son ran off to report the crime when it started happening.....you would have had a VERY different response. but he didn't. he twiddled his thiumbs and enjoyed the action.
 

Antigone*

Senior Member
Although I have never been to this site before, I anticipated serious, legal advice not judgement statements.
Remember, he's 14 AND NOT A CRIMINAL!
Your son needs more help than an internet forum can provide.
I suggested getting an attorny for your son, but if you insist on sheltering your son from his accountability then if he is not a criminal now, the potential for wearing that persona will greatly increase.

You said you didn't want a lecture, be you should know by now that we don't always get what we want ;)
 

myshare_2000

Junior Member
Cliches, rudeness and blaming

Forget it...
My ex is an attorney. I'll call him and get REAL LEGAL ADVICE.
unlike you guys on this site that are Puritans waiting to make petty, personal comments to make you feel better about your own shortcomings.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
Forget it...
My ex is an attorney. I'll call him and get REAL LEGAL ADVICE.
unlike you guys on this site that are Puritans waiting to make petty, personal comments to make you feel better about your own shortcomings.
geez.....why didn't you call him the first time????
 

Antigone*

Senior Member
Forget it...
My ex is an attorney. I'll call him and get REAL LEGAL ADVICE.
unlike you guys on this site that are Puritans waiting to make petty, personal comments to make you feel better about your own shortcomings.
Hopefully your ex can help you take off thr rose-colored glasses.
 

lealea1005

Senior Member
Forget it...
My ex is an attorney. I'll call him and get REAL LEGAL ADVICE.
unlike you guys on this site that are Puritans waiting to make petty, personal comments to make you feel better about your own shortcomings.
Fell all better now?

It may not be what you want to hear, but you DID receive legal advice.
 

RRevak

Senior Member
Forget it...
My ex is an attorney. I'll call him and get REAL LEGAL ADVICE.
unlike you guys on this site that are Puritans waiting to make petty, personal comments to make you feel better about your own shortcomings.
OP I gave you legal advice. I told you how it was going to look when the time comes for your son to answer to his part in this incident. He is going to be asked "and what did you to do stop this?" and he gets to reply to a judge that he stood there and watched. He may be asked if he reported this to authorities after he ran to which he's also going to have to reply with a no. Not lookin good for son here. Now, IF he chose to walk away when the boys started with the matches, or better yet if he had REPORTED this incident THEN he would be able to negotiate a better outcome than the one he's looking at.
 
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