is this racial or ignorant?

[seniorjudge]

let me clear this up ok? what i meant by being from california is that it is a melting pot out there where here it is hard to find a minority....

Say what?

Vielen Dank

BB, try a penicillin shot once every morning for a week...should clear it right up.

 

[seniorjudge]

Being ticked off is not a legal foundation for action.

This is called the Timex Doctrine....

 

[rmet4nzkx]

let me clear this up ok? what i meant by being from california is that it is a melting pot out there where here it is hard to find a minority. also the people i am speaking spanish to are the inmates, not the staff. they don't understand english at all and need to do their jobs properly as i instruct them (illegals i would imagine when they were busted). there is currently one other staff member that speaks spanish (a correctional officer) and he had the same problem with his upper management. and as for safety reasons, i have been in corrections for 18 years and never had this happen to me. i understand the safety aspect more than most who work there. i just thought it was out of line to tell me that stuff because if it is safety reason then she doesn't trust what i am saying to the inmates which really ticks me off.

So you want them openly discussing how they are going to jump the fence next time after they are deported, or planning other covert activity? Management has a right at CBG said that English only be spoken on the job, since your job is supervising inmates the PRISON can also mandate an English only policy for very obvious reasons. If you and the other Spanish speaker employee wish to converse in Spanish during your breaks that is a different story. ¿usted entiende?

 

[casa]

let me clear this up ok? what i meant by being from california is that it is a melting pot out there where here it is hard to find a minority. also the people i am speaking spanish to are the inmates, not the staff. they don't understand english at all and need to do their jobs properly as i instruct them (illegals i would imagine when they were busted). there is currently one other staff member that speaks spanish (a correctional officer) and he had the same problem with his upper management. and as for safety reasons, i have been in corrections for 18 years and never had this happen to me. i understand the safety aspect more than most who work there. i just thought it was out of line to tell me that stuff because if it is safety reason then she doesn't trust what i am saying to the inmates which really ticks me off.

What exactly is your job description? *IMO* (Based on having several relatives employed in corrections) you are playing with fire by communicating with inmates if it is not specifically in your job description to do so.

 

[SINCITY89103]

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

The first four or five replies I've read on this thread did not have the slightest thing to do with giving advice. If you do not have anything informative to say why don't you just keep it to yourself. There is NO NEED to sit here and badger someone seeking legal advice, what the hell is going on?

When you do offer advice, whether it's good or bad, why do most of you fell the need to write it in such a condescending way? Do you need to do that to feel intelligent, or fill some void in your life? It really is pathetic . Who cares if the girl had some grammar mistakes, intelligence has nothing to do with how well you put together a sentence. Obviously, your ignorant, and do not have much intelligence. If you did; you would know that.

This woman has worked as a correctional officer for 18yrs!! Give her the benefit of the doubt that she is not helping criminals to escape. You try to talk about her ignorance and then you type something like that, if you only knew how ridiculous that is. What I've written is not directed at anyone specifically. I'm pretty sure the people it is directed towards should at least be able to figure it out, well hopefully.

As far as my opinion is concerned, how does the supervisor communicate with them? Does she sign or something? I think if you are using your speaking skills for only job related purposes, it would be absurd not to allow you to do so. Notice I did not say against the law. That would be the same as not letting you sign to a hearing impaired person if you knew sign language. There's no reason for it. It sounds to me there's things missing from this story.

If your really that concerned about the "non-speaking english inmates" understanding there job duties, why don't you just ask the supervisor if you can work as an interperter "exclusively". Only translate what comes out of her mouth, otherwise the supervisor must not see to much of a problem. I can not see a supervisor letting inmates do as they please because they do not understand english. So I'm assuming they understand a lot more English then your letting on. One more thing. How can the "supervisor", supervise if she does not understand what is being said? Maybe she thinks your fraternizing with them. Just my thoughts.

-The Sin Man

 

[Juris Jules]

Inmates Can Thank You for Making Their Future Case(s)

With all due respect, it appears to me that all this forum has served to accomplish is providing savvy inmates with the fodder needed for their own lawsuits against the officer, prison, et al. What a jumble of testimony that would be at a trial.

One woman's opinion - If I were the officer, I would notify the supervisor in writing (for the personnel file) of the job description confusion, and request a written response in clarification. I would not leave the written request open-ended, and would specify a written response within 7 business days, further stating that if said response is not provided, I intend to escalate the matter to the supervisor's supervisor, etc. On the 8th day, I would provide a copy of that request to the supervisor's supervisor, etc.

If I were the officer, and the supervisor verbally approached him/her rather than in writing, I would request that a witness be present, listen to what was requested, reiterate verbally the request, and in turn put that conversation in writing.

Egos are not important here folks - simple employment law is. If the officer is genuinely concerned about his/her job security, as well as the rights of the inmates, there should be no problem with following simple, every-day rules - document, document, document - witness, witness, witness. I'm sure the employee handbook indeed REQUIRES the officer to act in this fashion by following the simple chain of command.

While every person's job is personal, not every infraction is defamation or racism - just because either the employee or inmates may be non-causasian. Keep it simple.

Good luck! Jules

 

[BelizeBreeze]

With all due respect, it appears to me that all this forum has served to accomplish is providing savvy inmates with the fodder needed for their own lawsuits against the officer, prison, et al. What a jumble of testimony that would be at a trial.

One woman's opinion - If I were the officer, I would notify the supervisor in writing (for the personnel file) of the job description confusion, and request a written response in clarification. I would not leave the written request open-ended, and would specify a written response within 7 business days, further stating that if said response is not provided, I intend to escalate the matter to the supervisor's supervisor, etc. On the 8th day, I would provide a copy of that request to the supervisor's supervisor, etc.

If I were the officer, and the supervisor verbally approached him/her rather than in writing, I would request that a witness be present, listen to what was requested, reiterate verbally the request, and in turn put that conversation in writing.

Egos are not important here folks - simple employment law is. If the officer is genuinely concerned about his/her job security, as well as the rights of the inmates, there should be no problem with following simple, every-day rules - document, document, document - witness, witness, witness. I'm sure the employee handbook indeed REQUIRES the officer to act in this fashion by following the simple chain of command.

While every person's job is personal, not every infraction is defamation or racism - just because either the employee or inmates may be non-causasian. Keep it simple.

Good luck! Jules

And of course, you can cite California statutes or employment law both state and federal that supports your position?

Oh wait, you offered NO LEGAL advice. I guess you're just another one of those savvy inmates with the fodder needed for their own lawsuits against the officer, prison, et al.

This post has been answer at least three times. If she refuses to listen then so be it. We're not here to hold her hand, pat her on the butt and tell her everything's going to be just fine.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

And of course, you can cite California statutes or employment law both state and federal that supports your position?

Oh wait, you offered NO LEGAL advice. I guess you're just another one of those savvy inmates with the fodder needed for their own lawsuits against the officer, prison, et al.

This post has been answer at least three times. If she refuses to listen then so be it. We're not here to hold her hand, pat her on the butt and tell her everything's going to be just fine.

BB,
FYI
OP used to live in CA, this question is in WI.

I don't know why the last few posters fail to understand what the issue is

 

[curley]

I GUESS THE WHOLE ISSUE I HAD WAS TRYING TO TELL SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH HOW TO DO HIS JOB BY TELLING HIM IN SPANISH AND YOU SOMEHWAT CLEARED THAT UP FOR ME. END OF STORY.

 

[seniorjudge]

What is the name of your state? wisconsin
my supervisor at work said that she does not want me speaking "that language" (spanish) to other people there (who also speak it) because she does not understand it and the other people may be saying something out of line. i told her that some of the other workers do not speak english very well and i need to communicate with them to tell them their jobs and she said disciplinary action would follow if it continued. i am the only "ethnic" who works there and i feel discriminated against. do i have the right to sue for this?

Q: do i have the right to sue for this?

A: No

 

[SINCITY89103]

This post has been answer at least three times. If she refuses to listen then so be it. We're not here to hold her hand, pat her on the butt and tell her everything's going to be just fine.

Yes, you are very right. One question though. Does that mean your free to insult her intelligence, and write in a condescending manner? Or to anyone else posting on this thread? Everyone can use a little TACT, don't you think?

 

[BelizeBreeze]

Does that mean your free to insult her intelligence, and write in a condescending manner?

I guess you haven't read the bylaws. The four-horsemen have unilateral rights to be obtuse, obnoxious and ob-whateverthehelltheywish.

 

[seniorjudge]

I guess you haven't read the bylaws. The four-horsemen have unilateral rights to be obtuse, obnoxious and ob-whateverthehelltheywish.

Rev.6:1 -

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[SINCITY89103]

That's funny

What? Bylaws...I'm talking about common courtsey. Perhaps you have heard of it?

 

[curley]

Thanks To Everyone Who Tried To Help Me Out. I Am Now Referring Anyone Who Doesn't Speak English To My Supervisor And Let Her Figure It Out. This Way I Follow The Chain Of Command For Any Problems And It Keeps Me In The Clear To Work My 10 Hour Shifts. Adios Mi Amigos!