Laws against keeping package that was marked as "undelivered."

[Applez]

I've given you what it is so that you can look it up more. That will be much more beneficial to you when it comes to learning about it. Another term to research is conversion.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[cbg]

What am I wrong about? I haven't stated an opinion except that you won't find a law that is specific to your situation. I assure you that the laws and legal concepts that Zigner has provided are accurate and do apply to you.

 

[Applez]

You're wrong about coming in this thread guns blazing with the caps, not having read what I wrote in reply to Zigner's comments. That's what you're wrong about. Here's my quote to Zinger:

"I just needed an actual law that would help me determine on an objective level that what you just said above is actually true. That it truly is "theft" and the law that determined this specific case to fall under that umbrella."

Does that sound to you like I wanted a law as specifically-worded as the one you posted on the first page?

 

[PayrollHRGuy]

You don't seem to understand how laws work. There is no law that says "If you get a credit after telling Amazon that a package didn't arrive and then it arrives it is theft."

 

[quincy]

What is the name of your state? IL

A family member of mine received a package from Amazon. Amazon marked it as "undelivered", they refunded him his money and then he eventually received the package. He says to me, "It's their mistake. Why should I have to pay for it." Long story short? He doesn't want to pay for it. Moral opinions to the side, are there any laws in place that would require him either to return the package or to pay for it?

Thanks.

How long did it take for the ordered package to arrive?

There is a “prompt delivery rule” which requires certain notifications be made to a purchaser if there will be a delay in delivery.

 

[Applez]

You don't seem to understand how laws work. There is no law that says "If you get a credit after telling Amazon that a package didn't arrive and then it arrives it is theft."

What I'm trying to get across to you guys is this: Is it illegal? Yes? Okay. Why? Where's the evidence to substantiate the claim that its' illegal? That it's theft? It's all hearsay to me at this point. If it's not illegal, then just say so.

 

[Applez]

It would be theft if the package is delivered, not paid for, and not sent back.

Which is exactly what happened. Now if you're able to, would you please provide anything you can to substantiate the claim that it is theft?

How long did it take for the ordered package to arrive?

Not sure. It was within a month, I believe.

There is a “prompt delivery rule” which requires certain notifications be made to a purchaser if there will be a delay in delivery.

Sorry, but I'm not following. What does that have to do with him keeping the package?

 

[Zigner]

Which is exactly what happened. Now if you're able to, would you please provide anything you can to substantiate the claim that it is theft?

Since this is merely an exercise for you, you will learn much more by researching it yourself.

 

[quincy]

What I'm trying to get across to you guys is this: Is it illegal? Yes? Okay. Why? Where's the evidence to substantiate the claim that its' illegal? That it's theft? It's all hearsay to me at this point. If it's not illegal, then just say so.

It is not necessarily theft. It would be illegal to order a package, receive the package in a timely fashion and refuse to pay for it or falsely claim it was never received.

But with internet sales, there are prompt delivery rules which a business needs to adhere by and, if they don’t, the consumer is entitled to a refund - this even if the package eventually makes its way to the intended recipient.

 

[Just Blue]

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/illinois-law/illinois-theft-larceny-laws.html

 

[Zigner]

Here is link describing the prompt delivery rule that Quincy is referring to. It's actually called the Mail, Internet, or Telephone Order Merchandise Trade Regulation Rule.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order

 

[Zigner]

Further to the above: The rule speaks to shipment, not delivery.

 

[Applez]

Further to the above: The rule speaks to shipment, not delivery.

Right. It's about not having shipped the item at all. However, in my case, the company did actually ship and deliver the product and all within the course of 30 days. I appreciate the help, though, quincy. Thanks to you as well, Zigner, for the link.

 

[Applez]

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/illinois-law/illinois-theft-larceny-laws.html

I don't see how this applies to me. Would you care to explain?