Legal to force dog owners to register their dogs

[BOR]

Great food for thought! That page talks about how equality before the law is of utmost importance and how there's a substantive due process as well as procedural due process that most people consider. That page alone seems like it proves that anyone could get off of a marijuana charge. The state is allowed to cultivate marijuana, even tho the state itself says a Sched 1 drug can't be cultivated; and people are granted immunities for possessing and smoking this medicinal herb... therefore, the law doesn't adhere to procedural due process. And of course it has no merit in terms of substantive due process... so I'd just like to give a great many thanks to BOR!! Due Process = WIN.

You are welcome, but Medical MJ, although still prohibited by federal law, is a state set up. The President, as I understand, has directed his US Attorney's to not aggressively prosecute people in such states that permit it.

 

[grndslm]

Exactly... but you see, all MJ is medical. And furthermore, the state's must follow the U.S. Constitution due to the supremacy clause. So if it's unconstitutional for MJ to be in the federal Controlled Substance Act... it's unconstitutional for the state's to do the same. It's not applied equally to all parties, and it has no basis to begin with since nobody in possession of MJ is harming another person or committing a serious crime that a jury of my peers would convict me of [at least not if they heard my side of the story ].

 

[justalayman]

You are welcome, but Medical MJ, although still prohibited by federal law, is a state set up. The President, as I understand, has directed his US Attorney's to not aggressively prosecute people in such states that permit it.

while not prosecuting the man, there is a person in my town that lives in HUD subsidized housing. He is allowed per state law to grow MJ for medical use but because the feds are involved in the manner they are, they are evicting him.


while checking out that story, I also saw an article that stated that a MJ med use permit from Michigan is not accepted in Indiana (duh!!) and the guy that got caught with the MJ in his pockets is being charged.

 

[cyjeff]

Exactly... but you see, all MJ is medical. And furthermore, the state's must follow the U.S. Constitution due to the supremacy clause. So if it's unconstitutional for MJ to be in the federal Controlled Substance Act... it's unconstitutional for the state's to do the same. It's not applied equally to all parties, and it has no basis to begin with since nobody in possession of MJ is harming another person or committing a serious crime that a jury of my peers would convict me of [at least not if they heard my side of the story ].

All pot is medical?

Oh good... another "the government doesn't have the right to tell me I can't do grass" argument.

So far, the score stands at government - one bazillion; nutjobs that think they have come up with a new way to make the illegal legal - none.

To the original question - yes, the government has the authority to require dogs to be registered and to make vaccinations a part of that registration. Think of it in this regard.. sure, you may be a responsible dog owner but not everyone is.

 

[justalayman]

Exactly... but you see, all MJ is medical. And furthermore, the state's must follow the U.S. Constitution due to the supremacy clause. So if it's unconstitutional for MJ to be in the federal Controlled Substance Act... it's unconstitutional for the state's to do the same. It's not applied equally to all parties, and it has no basis to begin with since nobody in possession of MJ is harming another person or committing a serious crime that a jury of my peers would convict me of [at least not if they heard my side of the story ].

who said anything about MJ being unconstitutional? You are the only one I have heard say anything of the sort. MJ is illegal in most states as well as under federal law, not unconstitutional.


You really don't have any idea what you are talking about, do you?

 

[grndslm]

who said anything about MJ being unconstitutional? You are the only one I have heard say anything of the sort. MJ is illegal in most states as well as under federal law, not unconstitutional.

Constitutional Topic: Due Process - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

The government can only deprive me of life, liberty, & property with due process. For starters, we've got procedural due process. The government should be arresting themselves for growing medicinal marijuana for "research purposes" and the other patients who have received immunities. Then we've got substantive due process. The government has no substantive reason to take my liberty and/or property away to begin with!

The reason that people can't argue their way out of a paper bag is because they don't recognize the reality. All the reality I need is in the Constitution and history is my evidence.

You really don't have any idea what you are talking about, do you?

HAHAHA!! "As for me, all I know is that I know nothing." -- Socrates

 

[justalayman]

=grndslm;2355850]Constitutional Topic: Due Process - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

I am quite familiar with the concept but you continue to prove your lack of familiarity and knowledge of the subject.

The government can only deprive me of life, liberty, & property with due process. For starters, we've got procedural due process. The government should be arresting themselves for growing medicinal marijuana for "research purposes" and the other patients who have received immunities. Then we've got substantive due process. The government has no substantive reason to take my liberty and/or property away to begin with!

quit babbling. The due process listed by the constitution means they have to have legal process in place and the gov must process any actions that might remove any of the "life, liberty, pursuit o f happiness" inclusions through the accepted processes in place. That simply means; you get a trial, hearing, whatever, that requires the state to make their claim and you have your opportunity to dispute and prove their claim is improper. Since the laws prevent you from possessing MJ, the due process would then be you defending yourself in court against a MJ possession charge.

The reason that people can't argue their way out of a paper bag is because they don't recognize the reality. All the reality I need is in the Constitution and history is my evidence.

ya, sure.

if you want history; start counting how many thousands of people have been been incarcerated for owning MJ. There is your history.


and to your claim that owning MJ does not:

since nobody in possession of MJ is harming another person

You could say the same thing about gambling (even if there is no assets lost), suicide, prostitution, and even child pornography (especially where the pictures are taken in a non-invasive manner to the child undertaking normal daily activities) but there are laws against or limiting every one of those actions.

So, are you saying that all of those I listed are also legal simply because nobody is being harmed?

Since you believe you are right, here is a simple challenge to you:

buy a pound of marijuana. Go to the police and tell them you have a pound of marijuana. They will arrest you for possession and you will get your chance to prove yourself. Be sure to let us know when and where your trial is so we can come witness your success in fighting this.

 

[grndslm]

That simply means; you get a trial, hearing, whatever, that requires the state to make their claim and you have your opportunity to dispute and prove their claim is improper. Since the laws prevent you from possessing MJ, the due process would then be you defending yourself in court against a MJ possession charge.

And due process also allows you to defend yourself against unconstitutional laws. If it didn't, there'd be no need for judicial review, right?

if you want history; start counting how many thousands of people have been been incarcerated for owning MJ. There is your history.

Well, they were obviously doing it wrong. I highly doubt that any of them were asking the judge for his oath and bond... bringing in the supremacy clause... bringing in the immunities clause... teaching history lessons... getting expert testimony ... etc. There's no way that somebody could do all the things I'd do and still get convicted. I have looked at a couple appellate courts' rulings, and they typically just use the term "frivolous" a great deal... so I'd just preemptively use that term to describe their laws from the get go.

You could say the same thing about gambling (even if there is no assets lost), suicide, prostitution, and even child pornography (especially where the pictures are taken in a non-invasive manner to the child undertaking normal daily activities) but there are laws against or limiting every one of those actions.

So, are you saying that all of those I listed are also legal simply because nobody is being harmed?

Gambling is most definitely legal. I just won $40 at video poker a couple nights ago. What difference would it make to pass a law on suicide anyway?? The guy's gonna kill himself, and that IS the end -- no need to throw him in jail after he's already dead. Prostitution shouldn't be illegal, even tho it is most places. It makes no difference to me if an adult sells their body for sexual purposes or for construction purposes. Makes no difference!! They're both slaves.

Child pornography is the only one which doesn't CLEARLY follow the guiding principles of Common Law. Anytime you bring up children, tho... there's always the proper age of consent and guardianship, etc. An adult taking nude pics of children is most definitely harming them, it's just not quite as clear to define... but a jury of our peers would see it as harmful. Gambling and prostitution, tho? What's harmful about that? Adults consenting to waste their lives away in their own filth is completely lawful and legal, IMHO. Bring in a child for nefarious purposes, and the whole world will come down on your azz, esp. when you get caught and thrown in jail.

Since you believe you are right, here is a simple challenge to you:

buy a pound of marijuana. Go to the police and tell them you have a pound of marijuana. They will arrest you for possession and you will get your chance to prove yourself. Be sure to let us know when and where your trial is so we can come witness your success in fighting this.

Enforcement officers will enforce ALL laws and statutes, regardless of their constitutionality. I could most definitely win with a fair judge or a jury of my peers, but I'd rather hone my skills before that day comes. Thanks, tho.

 

[cyjeff]

one of the side effects of weed is, apparently, the intense belief that you are having thoughts no one ever had before.

Do you truly believe that no one, repeat NO ONE, has tried this tactic in, say, the last 50 years or so?

That NONE of the lawyers at NRML or the ACLU or defending any of the hundreds of thousands of cases thought of this.... that you are the first?

You aren't even the first ON THIS SITE to try to make this little boat float.

Strangely enough, when the people say they are going to try it in court, we never hear from them again.

 

[Antigone*]

Boy how in the heck did this thread get from dog licenses to pot

 

[justalayman]

grndslm;2357994]And due process also allows you to defend yourself against unconstitutional laws. If it didn't, there'd be no need for judicial review, right?

that would be defending yourself, would it not?

Well, they were obviously doing it wrong. I highly doubt that any of them were asking the judge for his oath and bond... bringing in the supremacy clause... bringing in the immunities clause... teaching history lessons... getting expert testimony ... etc

. you are so full of crap I can smell it from here.

There's no way that somebody could do all the things I'd do and still get convicted.

then please post your name and address and tell me when you are making your next buy. I would love to watch you get convicted.

I have looked at a couple appellate courts' rulings, and they typically just use the term "frivolous" a great deal... so I'd just preemptively use that term to describe their laws from the get go.

they also tend to use the word "affirmed" a lot too.

Gambling is most definitely legal.

some yes, some no.

What difference would it make to pass a law on suicide anyway??

well, it is illegal in many states and what you get charged with would be attempting suicide. That would be akin to attempted murder.

The guy's gonna kill himself, and that IS the end -- no need to throw him in jail after he's already dead.

and if he doesn't succeed?

Prostitution shouldn't be illegal, even tho it is most places.

ya

It makes no difference to me if an adult sells their body for sexual purposes or for construction purposes. Makes no difference!! They're both slaves.

it makes a difference to the powers that be.

An adult taking nude pics of children is most definitely harming them

,No it's not. I took pictures of my children running around the house naked as the day they were born. Nothing illegal about that and nothing harmful about it. Now, if I show those same pics to somebody with the intent to appeal to their prurient interests, I am now committing a crime.

same pics, different intent, neither harmed the child.

Gambling and prostitution, tho? What's harmful about that?

they injure society.

Bring in a child for nefarious purposes, and the whole world will come down on your azz, esp. when you get caught and thrown in jail. :eek

:I didn't say anything about anything physical with a child.

Enforcement officers will enforce ALL laws and statutes, regardless of their constitutionality.

Uh, that is because until a law is ruled unconstitutional, it is considered to be constitutional and therefore, should be enforced.

I could most definitely win with a fair judge or a jury of my peers, but I'd rather hone my skills before that day comes. Thanks, tho.

like I said; name, address, and when and where the next big buy is. I will come to your trial just to watch you...lose.

 

[cyjeff]

Boy how in the heck did this thread get from dog licenses to pot

Because the other side effect of pot is believing the entire world revolves around you and every issue is your issue.