I know of a case where a marine had borderline PD and got a General discharge after a short period of being AWOL, they turned themselves into a VA hospital. You were gone longer, however having qualified for SSDI you might still have a chance going to the VA hospital it might be a work a medical discharge. I doubt that if you were able to complete your training that you were suited for submarine service anyway. That MOS changes you for life.
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bipolardeserter
Member
Good news!
Today I called the Navy and they faxed me some papers for a discharge in absentia.
My warrant has been cleared and my dd214 is on the way!
Today I called the Navy and they faxed me some papers for a discharge in absentia.
My warrant has been cleared and my dd214 is on the way!
bipolardeserter
Member
There is hope!
I just wanted to let you all know that you can have a life after making a mistake. I did, and I was very lucky, blessed, fortunate, pick the word that suits you, but I did 0.00 time in anyone's jail and I was on the loose for 5 and a half years!
Just call, get an advocate to help you, and be honest.
I know the recruiter lied to you about how guaranteed your job would be.
I know the military didn't let you answer the psych profiles in an honest way without threats of repercussions.
But we have to forgive them for that, just like we hope others can forgive us for what we do wrong.
BEST OF LUCK TO ALL OF YOU, AND I ADMIRE THOSE OF YOU WHO DO DEFEND OUR NATION.
Joe.
I just wanted to let you all know that you can have a life after making a mistake. I did, and I was very lucky, blessed, fortunate, pick the word that suits you, but I did 0.00 time in anyone's jail and I was on the loose for 5 and a half years!
Just call, get an advocate to help you, and be honest.
I know the recruiter lied to you about how guaranteed your job would be.
I know the military didn't let you answer the psych profiles in an honest way without threats of repercussions.
But we have to forgive them for that, just like we hope others can forgive us for what we do wrong.
BEST OF LUCK TO ALL OF YOU, AND I ADMIRE THOSE OF YOU WHO DO DEFEND OUR NATION.
Joe.
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thepizzaguy
Guest
I never knew that one could be discharged via this route. Is this something new? Any comments from some of the senior members?bipolardeserter said:Good news!
Today I called the Navy and they faxed me some papers for a discharge in absentia.
My warrant has been cleared and my dd214 is on the way!
Discharge in absentia is well established (i.e. Milpersman 1910-230).
The person being discharged has to sign agreeing to an OTH discharge. The military is often pulled in different directions in dealing with long term UA/deserters. On one hand, they figure those people are lost and there is not a lot of sense in spending money on them, hence things like discharge in absentia. On the other hand, they don't want to make it *too* easy to desert, and the military has argued it is bad for morale if people can just walk away and then 'mail in' termination processing.
Currently, discharge in absentia is only considered for service members in prison and who have been UA for more than 1 year. The military doesn't *have* to give you a discharge in absentia, but as stated it is a relatively cheap way to formally terminate the enlistment.
In the current case, I'm not certain that accepting an OTH is the best idea (though it seems to be the simplest). If this persons absence from the military was due to serious psychological problems and they ended up living 'on the streets', then they may have a case for a medical or ELS separation instead of an OTH. But that probably would require more processing, bureaucracy, etc. and perhaps in the circumstances an OTH is not that great a concern.
The person being discharged has to sign agreeing to an OTH discharge. The military is often pulled in different directions in dealing with long term UA/deserters. On one hand, they figure those people are lost and there is not a lot of sense in spending money on them, hence things like discharge in absentia. On the other hand, they don't want to make it *too* easy to desert, and the military has argued it is bad for morale if people can just walk away and then 'mail in' termination processing.
Currently, discharge in absentia is only considered for service members in prison and who have been UA for more than 1 year. The military doesn't *have* to give you a discharge in absentia, but as stated it is a relatively cheap way to formally terminate the enlistment.
In the current case, I'm not certain that accepting an OTH is the best idea (though it seems to be the simplest). If this persons absence from the military was due to serious psychological problems and they ended up living 'on the streets', then they may have a case for a medical or ELS separation instead of an OTH. But that probably would require more processing, bureaucracy, etc. and perhaps in the circumstances an OTH is not that great a concern.
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thepizzaguy
Guest
thanks Fozzy
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
1. Policy. Discharge in absentia may be effected by the separation authority (SA) (MILPERSMAN 1910-700) provided the member has been properly given notice of the administrative separation (ADSEP) action. At a minimum this means
a. member acknowledged receipt and signed the notification letter advising them of the reason for processing;
b. the letter of notification clearly indicated the least favorable characterization of service;
c. the letter of notification clearly indicated the individual’s right to an administrative board (or General Court‑Martial Convening Authority (GCMCA) review), and to make a statement; and
d. an Under Other Than Honorable (OTH) discharge is authorized. To be awarded a discharge in “absentia” the member must be in an Unauthorized Absence (UA) status or in jail. To award a General (Under Honorable Conditions) or Honorable discharge while in a UA status is inappropriate. Processing for a General or Honorable discharge should be held in abeyance for members who go UA prior to separation. Upon a member’s return from UA of less than 30 days, the SA may use discretion to either effect the previously authorized General/Honorable discharge or reprocess for an OTH; however, UA in excess of 30 days is a serious offense and reprocessing for an OTH is appropriate.
2. Restriction. Personnel incarcerated by foreign civilian or military authorities outside of the jurisdiction of the United States (U.S.), will not be discharged in absentia.
NOTE: This does not preclude processing the member for separation to be effected upon return to U.S. jurisdiction.
This guy denied council, and took what he thought was the easy way out. He was notified of his court martial, and failed to show, or retain JAG, or a civilian attorney. He was notified of his DH/OTH discharge, and signed the dotted line.
He is now offering advice to others on this board that is completely misleading.
Keep in mind he was probably confined, as this is a rather old post and he is bipolar.
This is not the way to go.
a. member acknowledged receipt and signed the notification letter advising them of the reason for processing;
b. the letter of notification clearly indicated the least favorable characterization of service;
c. the letter of notification clearly indicated the individual’s right to an administrative board (or General Court‑Martial Convening Authority (GCMCA) review), and to make a statement; and
d. an Under Other Than Honorable (OTH) discharge is authorized. To be awarded a discharge in “absentia” the member must be in an Unauthorized Absence (UA) status or in jail. To award a General (Under Honorable Conditions) or Honorable discharge while in a UA status is inappropriate. Processing for a General or Honorable discharge should be held in abeyance for members who go UA prior to separation. Upon a member’s return from UA of less than 30 days, the SA may use discretion to either effect the previously authorized General/Honorable discharge or reprocess for an OTH; however, UA in excess of 30 days is a serious offense and reprocessing for an OTH is appropriate.
2. Restriction. Personnel incarcerated by foreign civilian or military authorities outside of the jurisdiction of the United States (U.S.), will not be discharged in absentia.
NOTE: This does not preclude processing the member for separation to be effected upon return to U.S. jurisdiction.
This guy denied council, and took what he thought was the easy way out. He was notified of his court martial, and failed to show, or retain JAG, or a civilian attorney. He was notified of his DH/OTH discharge, and signed the dotted line.
He is now offering advice to others on this board that is completely misleading.
Keep in mind he was probably confined, as this is a rather old post and he is bipolar.
This is not the way to go.
bipolardeserter
Member
Listen pal,
I was never ever confined, in fact I never have been in my life, and God willing never will be.
Also I had counsel advising me all along. She was the one who made the initial call to the Navy.
It seems to me doing what I did, which was just call and ask how best to go about solving this, is the best way to go.
At this point in 2005, who really has a better option? Is jail time a better option? Is going around in fear of being caught a better option?
If you are AWOL or a deserter, call GI rights, find an advocate or lawyer to help you, and call them and keep working on this until you are free!
Lastly, I am bipolar that doesn't mean you can tell people I am full of hooey when I am not.
Joe.
I was never ever confined, in fact I never have been in my life, and God willing never will be.
Also I had counsel advising me all along. She was the one who made the initial call to the Navy.
It seems to me doing what I did, which was just call and ask how best to go about solving this, is the best way to go.
At this point in 2005, who really has a better option? Is jail time a better option? Is going around in fear of being caught a better option?
If you are AWOL or a deserter, call GI rights, find an advocate or lawyer to help you, and call them and keep working on this until you are free!
Lastly, I am bipolar that doesn't mean you can tell people I am full of hooey when I am not.
Joe.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
If you have been UA for over 24 months, the Navy has a new policy where it is possible to receive a discharge in absentia, which means that you do not have to surrender yourself physically, but instead resolve your situation over the phone and via mail. The process will result in an OTH discharge in lieu of a court-marital.
This is what you did, and you will live with it the rest of your life when you cannot get a decent job.
Stop advising people on this forum to do this.
1. They may not be Navy.
2. There are different guidelines for the amount of time UA.
You scrood yourself good, and you cannot advise others on what to do.
Good luck, be happy, now leave before you are banned.
Oh! And I am a Pal'et.
This is what you did, and you will live with it the rest of your life when you cannot get a decent job.
Stop advising people on this forum to do this.
1. They may not be Navy.
2. There are different guidelines for the amount of time UA.
You scrood yourself good, and you cannot advise others on what to do.
Good luck, be happy, now leave before you are banned.
Oh! And I am a Pal'et.
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bipolardeserter
Member
Duh! I never had a court martial.--PARIDISE-- said:
I made a phone call, and they asked me if I had a fax machine.
I signed the faxes.
I faxed them back.
I called them.
They said, got em, thanks, you're warrants cleared.
I never even mentioned my bipolar disorder at all.
They just wanted to cheaply and quickly take care of it especially since it had been 5 years and I hadn't been picked up.
Get it straight pal. I have the info.
You don't.
Joe.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
Isn't that what I just said? You are now scrood for life because of your failure to act.bipolardeserter said:
AGAIN! Stop advising people until you know what the hell you are talking about.
The Navy wrote you off with a paper trail that will haunt you the rest of your life.
Happy job hunting,.........McDonald's even checks your history.
You are really failing to get this, but guess what? You are not my problem. You have created your own problem, so live with it.
Again, I am a Joe'et
bipolardeserter
Member
That is so one sided.--PARIDISE-- said:
If you are honest with people, as I am, then job hunting can even be helped by your traumatic military experience.
Stop editing your posts to make it seem like you have said something before I have too.
I am not afraid of McDonalds checking into my background. The one by my house has 7 illegal aliens working there for goodness sakes.
Oooh a bad discharge for being AWOL from our military.
Stop spreading hype and lies!
Joe.
bipolardeserter
Member
There are two kinds of people.
The person who believes they can.
--------and---------
The person who believes they can't.
They do have something in common.
They are both right.
Joe.
The person who believes they can.
--------and---------
The person who believes they can't.
They do have something in common.
They are both right.
Joe.
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
Take your meds and go to bed please. You are truly being an idiot.bipolardeserter said:That is so one sided.
If you are honest with people, as I am, then job hunting can even be helped by your traumatic military experience.
Stop editing your posts to make it seem like you have said something before I have too.
I am not afraid of McDonalds checking into my background. The one by my house has 7 illegal aliens working there for goodness sakes.
Oooh a bad discharge for being AWOL from our military.
Stop spreading hype and lies!
Joe.
bipolardeserter
Member
Nice comment.--PARIDISE-- said:
Joe.
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