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rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
LdiJ said:
Rmet.....how about you just stay off CJane's threads from now on? You have no interest in helping her and everything that you said would happen, didn't....and won't happen this time around either.
He is appealing, it isn't over. This is CJanes's thread not yours. Her question was re
He's claiming that I did not meet my burden of proof that there was a change in circumstances and so never should have been allowed to file the original modification, nor had my case heard.
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With all of the above changes in our lives over the past two years... can he really pull the 'no change in circumstances' thing?

How does a 'hearing' usually go? My only experience is with the trial.

Is there an opportunity to bring up the issues we've had in the last couple of months at the hearing?
You didn't answer the question based on the evidence, why should she be denied an answer based on her quesiton and the evidence. Often the groundwork for an appeal is laid during the proceedings. Fact is, she did not meet the burden of proof, so it can be reversed.
 


casa

Senior Member
CJane said:
What is the name of your state? MO

I got a letter on Thursday from my attorney, notifying me of a hearing coming up this Thursday. Apparently, my ex-husband has filed a motion to ammend the current order back to the original order. He's claiming that I did not meet my burden of proof that there was a change in circumstances and so never should have been allowed to file the original modification, nor had my case heard.

This is a timeline of how things progressed re: my filing for modification...

  • Ex and I had been having a lot of disagreements about which rights and responsibilities we each had wrt the children and decision making.
  • Ex began threatening to withhold visitation from me on a fairly regular basis... often stating that because he had sole legal custody, my 'visitation' was at his discretion.
  • Ex began talking about moving to a location that would have interfered with our current custody arrangement, changed their school, etc.
  • Ex began planning his wedding.
  • I filed for a modification.
  • I moved in with my boyfriend.
  • Ex got married (3 days after I moved)
  • I found out I was pregnant.
  • Ex's wife found out she was pregnant.
  • Ex filed his response to my motion to modify... stating my move as a change in circumtances.
  • Lots and lots and lots of crap.
  • Judge stated that the original order was crap, and he couldn't believe any idiot actually signed it into an order.
  • I won the battle and was awarded joint-legal, no changes to physical time with the kids, and child support.
  • Ex has asked me to forego child support in order to help him out of a 'financial bind'.
  • Ex is again talking about moving/changing schools/etc.
  • Ex has unilaterally changed the children's pediatrician.
  • Ex has lied to me (or, been incorrect about dates) about dental appts for the children.


SO... my questions are (because I can't get in touch with my attorney til tomorrow)...

With all of the above changes in our lives over the past two years... can he really pull the 'no change in circumstances' thing?

How does a 'hearing' usually go? My only experience is with the trial.

Is there an opportunity to bring up the issues we've had in the last couple of months at the hearing?
He didn't like what the ruling is...and after a year, a GAL, a trial & a ruling~ He is grasping at ANY legal straws which would enable him to worm his way out of following the court's order.

Is it possible? Sure, almost anything is...Is it likely? I'd say NOT. :cool:
 

weenor

Senior Member
CJane said:
Yeah, I'm not being clear.

The original plan - the one awarding him sole legal custody and me more physical time with the kids than the had... the plan that the judge was referring to when he said "What kind of idiot signed this thing anyway?"... was an agreement reached out of court.

The new order which was issued by the judge in April was a result of invlovement with a GAL, many depositions and a 9 hour trial in which much evidence was presented and testimony heard.

What the ex is asking for is for the court to rule that I never should have been 'allowed' to file the modification, and therefore, we should revert to the original order.

Does that make more sense?

What I was asking in my previous post was... since the original parenting plan was agreed to w/out a hearing/trial, was a change of circumstance actually required in order to file for a modification?

I know I'm aways down the line now...had to handle dinner etc....anyway if you have not already gotten a response...Everything should have been before the judge at that trial including the prior agreement and your reason for later modification. Any issue not before the court at the trial cannot now be brought up, it's too late.(for the most part). So ex is trying to get judge to reconsider and probably has an eye toward appeal.
 

CJane

Senior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
Fact is, she did not meet the burden of proof, so it can be reversed.

Fact is, (according to the MO bar assn website) that "change in circumstances" is ANY change since the current order was put into effect when it can be proven that the children's best interests will be served by modification.

Also, I was advised by more than one attorney that since our original agreement was reached outside trial, a change of circumstances was not required for modification. That may not be true in all states. I know that it's true in Kansas, and I've been told it's true in Missouri.

By now, I know that not only is Missouri law not your forte, but you also cannot see past your bias as it relates to me. Even with everything neatly outlined in my original post to this thread, you couldn't get it right.

However, I have to respond to this, because I find the fact that you posted it appalling.

If he had "sole" custody, then his belief that he had some say in visitation has merit
Where, in the statutes of mine or any other state does it say that the person with legal custody has ANY right to withhold court ordered visitation? How on earth does his standing as 'legal custodian' give any merit at all to him thinking he has ANY say in visitation? I really do hope that you're not suggesting that a parent with sole legal custody can decide when the other parent has visitation when that visitation (or in the case of my order 'custodial period') is clearly outlined in a court order.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
CJane said:
Fact is, (according to the MO bar assn website) that "change in circumstances" is ANY change since the current order was put into effect when it can be proven that the children's best interests will be served by modification.
Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 452 Dissolution of Marriage, Divorce, Alimony and Separate Maintenance
Section 452.410
August 28, 2005
Custody, decree, modification of, when.
452.410. 1. Except as provided in subsection 2 of this section, the court shall not modify a prior custody decree unless it has jurisdiction under the provisions of section 452.450 and it finds, upon the basis of facts that have arisen since the prior decree or that were unknown to the court at the time of the prior decree, that a change has occurred in the circumstances of the child or his custodian and that the modification is necessary to serve the best interests of the child. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section or sections 452.375 and 452.400, any custody order entered by any court in this state or any other state prior to August 13, 1984, may, subject to jurisdictional requirements, be modified to allow for joint custody in accordance with section 452.375, without any further showing. [This is the burden of proof you have to meet based on the time of your filing, not what you did after, unless there was some tangible neglect or abuse, CP talking re moving, remarriage, is not a change in circumstances. If you were actually denied visitation, then that MIGHT be considered a change in circumstances but you never claimed he actually denied you visitation, in fact, you claimed you had the children, more. IF your stipulated parenting plan was based on a shared model and you living in the same community and CP moved, then you would have grounds for a modification, however that burden of proof was not met. IF you (NCP) moved out of the community, CP had the right to file for a modification because you could no longer fulfill your obligations as agreed in the stipulated shared parenting agreement and/or you signed the agreement in bad faith and with "unclean hands". In other words, the judge would not have signed the original stipulated agreement if it were known that you could not fulfil your obligation under the agreement because you were planning on moving, and time has shown that your move was not necessiary. So you did not have to disrupt the childrens lives as you did.]

2. If either parent files a motion to modify an award of joint legal custody or joint physical custody, each party shall be entitled to a change of judge as provided by supreme court rule. [You did not have either joint legal or physical custody so you stay with the same judge]

(L. 1973 H.B. 315 § 23, A.L. 1978 H.B. 914, A.L. 1984 H.B. 1513, A.L. 1990 H.B. 1370, et al.)

CROSS REFERENCE: Court may transfer custody if custodial parent, without good cause, fails to honor visitation order, RSMo 452.340 [This is why I asked if he actually denied you visitation, because that MIGHT be your one prong of the burden of proof that MIGHT have been met and in that case he is still allowed to claim "GOOD CAUSE".]

(1976) In motion to modify child custody decree under this section, it is not necessary to wait for manifestations of harmful consequences before action is taken. L.H.Y. v. J.M.Y. (A.), 535 S.W.2d 304.
[In other words, you do not have to wait for children to be abused or be moved to file for modification, but you must still have grounds, such as, CP sends a CRRR letter informing you that he is moving the children out of state so your shared parenting plan could not work, not just discussing a potential move.]


Also, I was advised by more than one attorney that since our original agreement was reached outside trial, a change of circumstances was not required for modification. That may not be true in all states. I know that it's true in Kansas, and I've been told it's true in Missouri.
(1978) Court may not modify original dissolution decree vesting custody on stipulation of partner, but must conduct hearing and make findings required in best interests of child. Fleming v. Fleming (A.), 562 S.W.2d 168. [ This means that the court must hold a hearing to modify an order IF it was originally based on stipulation, not that a significant change is not required, that is still the burden of proof.]

Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 454
Enforcement of Support Law
Section 454.500

August 28, 2005

4. The circuit court may, upon such terms as may be just, relieve a parent from an administrative order entered against that parent because of mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect.

5. No order entered pursuant to section 454.476 shall be modifiable pursuant to this section, except that an order entered pursuant to section 454.476 shall be amended by the director to conform with any modification made by the court that entered the court order upon which the director based his or her order.


By now, I know that not only is Missouri law not your forte, but you also cannot see past your bias as it relates to me. Even with everything neatly outlined in my original post to this thread, you couldn't get it right.
If you will notice Ldij is very biased and in general refuses a challenge to cite the law, but she is telling you what you want to hear, which in the end is a great disservice to you. I didn't have to take the time or trouble to respond to you. Weenor also told you the same things. The use of language in law is specific, you , like Ldij, tend to attribute absolute meanings to intentionally vague words which allow attorneys to argue their cases. Where I said SOME you interpreted that to be EVERY. Your ex is allowed to seek to have the case dismissed/vacated based on the above grounds and nothing thus far suggests that you have met the burden of proof and that is somehting the judge may have inadvertly missed in their considerations because you kept bringing in some many issues unrelated to your original petition. Also your calculations on parenting time omitted some of Dad's time because you simply omitted his time on your exchange days after your dropoff at school, so you can expect that to be pointed out as an error.

However, I have to respond to this, because I find the fact that you posted it appalling.
Just who is biased here? YOu don't want to know the actual MRS that affect your case and would prefer Ldij's uncited responses just because they tell you what you want to hear. This is not a support group.

Where, in the statutes of mine or any other state does it say that the person with legal custody has ANY right to withhold court ordered visitation? How on earth does his standing as 'legal custodian' give any merit at all to him thinking he has ANY say in visitation? I really do hope that you're not suggesting that a parent with sole legal custody can decide when the other parent has visitation when that visitation (or in the case of my order 'custodial period') is clearly outlined in a court order.
What was the exact wording of your stipulated agreement, was the word "reasonable" in there anywhere? With "sole" legal custody, the decision making is left to the CP and MAY include issues re visitation. In reality, your EX has been generous considering you were in contempt of the order and could have but didn't deny you visitation.
 

CJane

Senior Member
rmet4nzkx said:
and it finds, upon the basis of facts that have arisen since the prior decree or that were unknown to the court at the time of the prior decree, that a change has occurred in the circumstances of the child or his custodian and that the modification is necessary to serve the best interests of the child.[/b]
And this, Rmet, is the EXACT language that not one, not two, but three different attornies in three different firms in three different counties have quoted to me when stating that if the order was agreed to out of court and not heard by a judge, (because if there's no hearing, EVERYTHING IS UNKNOWN TO THE COURT), a change of circumstances is NOT required.


IF you (NCP) moved out of the community, CP had the right to file for a modification because you could no longer fulfill your obligations as agreed in the stipulated shared parenting agreement and/or you signed the agreement in bad faith and with "unclean hands". In other words, the judge would not have signed the original stipulated agreement if it were known that you could not fulfil your obligation under the agreement because you were planning on moving,
Ya know, I could swear we've been over this a billion times on this board. I really wish you'd pay attention, or remember the sh*t you're so intent on slinging or something.

The very first place I moved to, when leaving the marital residence, 2 weeks after the divorce was final was out of the area. Everyone, my attorney, my ex, my ex's attorney and the judge were well aware that I was moving 'out of the area' and no one had an issue with it. So there was no bad faith.

When I moved to my current residence, it was 18 months AFTER that. I was not 'planning on moving' here when I got divorced. This is what I mean about laying out the timeline and you still getting it wrong.

and time has shown that your move was not necessiary. So you did not have to disrupt the childrens lives as you did.]
How so? Because the man doesn't live here anymore? He didn't live here anymore when the judge issued his current ruling either. Guess he disagrees with you about the appropriateness of my life. But that's ok. Necessity to me is obviously different than it is for you. I'm paying half the rent that I was paying before. I'm in a rural area. I'm in a safer area. I'm more secure financially. I have family near by. You're right... totally stupid decision to move here.

2. If either parent files a motion to modify an award of joint legal custody or joint physical custody, each party shall be entitled to a change of judge as provided by supreme court rule. [You did not have either joint legal or physical custody so you stay with the same judge]
Yeah, I know that. We had the same judge for the divorce too. It's my understanding that we'll have the same judge until he dies or retires. I'm good with that.

CROSS REFERENCE: Court may transfer custody if custodial parent, without good cause, fails to honor visitation order, RSMo 452.340 [This is why I asked if he actually denied you visitation, because that MIGHT be your one prong of the burden of proof that MIGHT have been met and in that case he is still allowed to claim "GOOD CAUSE".]
Nope, he never denied completely. He always caved as soon as the sheriff made a call to him.

(1978) Court may not modify original dissolution decree vesting custody on stipulation of partner, but must conduct hearing and make findings required in best interests of child. Fleming v. Fleming (A.), 562 S.W.2d 168. [ This means that the court must hold a hearing to modify an order IF it was originally based on stipulation, not that a significant change is not required, that is still the burden of proof.]
A hearing was conducted. The judge ruled in my favor. If he didn't feel I'd met a burden of proof, why would he waste his time ruling in my favor?

Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 454
Enforcement of Support Law
Section 454.500

August 28, 2005

4. The circuit court may, upon such terms as may be just, relieve a parent from an administrative order entered against that parent because of mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect.

5. No order entered pursuant to section 454.476 shall be modifiable pursuant to this section, except that an order entered pursuant to section 454.476 shall be amended by the director to conform with any modification made by the court that entered the court order upon which the director based his or her order.
Isn't the above all in relation to Child Support?

nothing thus far suggests that you have met the burden of proof and that is somehting the judge may have inadvertly missed in their considerations because you kept bringing in some many issues unrelated to your original petition.
Were you there? I'm not the one bringing up unrelated issues.

Also your calculations on parenting time omitted some of Dad's time because you simply omitted his time on your exchange days after your dropoff at school, so you can expect that to be pointed out as an error.
Huh? Missouri uses 'overnights per month' to establish parenting time. The FACT is that I have the kids no fewer than 18 nights per month.

I figured exact hours for each of us as if they spent 24/7 with us, no time in daycare, no time in school, etc. I have the kids from 8pm on Sunday until 8am on Wednesday. That is 84 hours. The ex has the kids from 8am Wednesday to 8am Friday. That is 72 hours. On the weeks that I have the kids for the weekend, I have them from 8am Friday until 8am Wednesday. That is 144 hours. When it's his weekend, he has them from 8am Wednesday until 8pm Sunday. That is 84 hours.

I ALWAYS HAVE THE KIDS MORE THAN HE DOES.

Just who is biased here? YOu don't want to know the actual MRS that affect your case and would prefer Ldij's uncited responses just because they tell you what you want to hear. This is not a support group.
I've read the MRS. And no, I don't prefer Ldi's responses because she tells me what I want to hear. In fact, I don't believe I've stated that I prefer anyone's responses.

What was the exact wording of your stipulated agreement, was the word "reasonable" in there anywhere?
No, the word reasonable appears nowhere in our order. The order states EXACTLY. "Petitioner shall have sole legal custody of the minor children, subject to the following restrictions and provisions:" What follows that statement is a STANDARD MISSOURI JOINT CUSTODY PLAN.

With "sole" legal custody, the decision making is left to the CP and MAY include issues re visitation.
Do you think I haven't read my plan sometime in the past 2 1/2 years? I know what it says. And no, in this particular case, him having 'sole custody' did NOT leave the decision making up to him with anything except the following: having his address designated as the one the kids use for school (my idea, and left the same in the new order). Religious decisions (my idea, and changed against my specific request in the new order). Choosing daycare providers (my idea since he was ordered to pay for daycare, I figured he should be allowed to choose it). The order clearly states that all other decisions are to be made after consultation and consideration of the other party.

And you're wrong. This is what the MRS say about legal custody and visitation.

Section 452.405
1. Except as otherwise ordered by the court or agreed by the parties in writing at the time of the custody decree, the legal custodian may determine the child's upbringing...

<snip>

2. The legal custodian shall not exercise legal custody in such a way as to significantly and detrimentally impact the other parent's visitation or custody rights.

His standing as legal custodian gave him NO say whatsoever in our agreed custodial periods.

In reality, your EX has been generous considering you were in contempt of the order and could have but didn't deny you visitation.
When was I in contempt of the order? Are you addressing my move?
 
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rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
CJane said:
And this, Rmet, is the EXACT language that not one, not two, but three different attornies in three different firms in three different counties have quoted to me when stating that if the order was agreed to out of court and not heard by a judge, (because if there's no hearing, EVERYTHING IS UNKNOWN TO THE COURT), a change of circumstances is NOT required.
If you will notice there is a comma between the phrases, not an "or" it is reference to the fact that a change in cirucmstances is required. Since a judge signed your agreement it wasn't unknown to th ecourt, was it? He can appeal on those grounds.

The very first place I moved to, when leaving the marital residence, 2 weeks after the divorce was final was out of the area. Everyone, my attorney, my ex, my ex's attorney and the judge were well aware that I was moving 'out of the area' and no one had an issue with it. So there was no bad faith.
You didn't mention that move in your timeline becaus eyou didn't consider it a change in circumstance, I am making reference to the move you made AFTER you filed your modification.
# Ex began planning his wedding.
# I filed for a modification.
# I moved in with my boyfriend.
# Ex got married (3 days after I moved)
# I found out I was pregnant.
When I moved to my current residence, it was 18 months AFTER that. I was not 'planning on moving' here when I got divorced. This is what I mean about laying out the timeline and you still getting it wrong.
I am talking about bad faith when you filed your modification, you didn't tell the court you were planning on moving your children further away nor did you tell your ex, moving made your stipulated sharred parenting plan unworkable because of your distance outside of the community.
Relocation of child by parent for more than ninety days, required procedure--violation, effect--notice of relocation of parent, required procedure.
452.377. 1. For purposes of this section and section 452.375, "relocate" or "relocation" means a change in the principal residence of a child for a period of ninety days or more, but does not include a temporary absence from the principal residence...
So you were using your ex's discussions as grounds when notice is required..

How so? Because the man doesn't live here anymore? He didn't live here anymore when the judge issued his current ruling either. Guess he disagrees with you about the appropriateness of my life. But that's ok. Necessity to me is obviously different than it is for you. I'm paying half the rent that I was paying before. I'm in a rural area. I'm in a safer area. I'm more secure financially. I have family near by. You're right... totally stupid decision to move here.
You broke the agreement.


Yeah, I know that. We had the same judge for the divorce too. It's my understanding that we'll have the same judge until he dies or retires. I'm good with that.
good



Nope, he never denied completely. He always caved as soon as the sheriff made a call to him.
Then that isn't a change. Now if you didn't call the sheriff and he actually denied you the time that would be different, but then it would be he said, she said, but bottom line, he didn't deny you visitation.

A hearing was conducted. The judge ruled in my favor. If he didn't feel I'd met a burden of proof, why would he waste his time ruling in my favor?
sometimes they are compelled to follow through, or maybe they made a mistake, it does happen. You had your hearing and your ex has the right to appeal, you always have to figure on that possibility.



Isn't the above all in relation to Child Support?
Yes but it is standard language in civil proceedure in many states that allows for reconsideration or an appeals proces, California uses almost exactly the same words.
mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or neglect, vacate any...
or the US Supreme Court
United States v. Beggerly, 524 US 38 (1998) The QTA includes a 12-year statute of limitations, which begins to run from the date the ... “(b) Mistake; Inadvertence; Surprise; Excusable Neglect. ...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/97-731.ZO.html

I've read the MRS. And no, I don't prefer Ldi's responses because she tells me what I want to hear. In fact, I don't believe I've stated that I prefer anyone's responses.
Well you don't like what I say, even when I back it up with facts. You have started an incredible 96 threads about this issue and I have read each and every one of your posts, some more than once. I have cited the applicible law. I can't change the facts, I can't change the MRS.



No, the word reasonable appears nowhere in our order. The order states EXACTLY. "Petitioner shall have sole legal custody of the minor children, subject to the following restrictions and provisions:" What follows that statement is a STANDARD MISSOURI JOINT CUSTODY PLAN. Please provide a link to the standard joint custody plan, and can you include the language of your visitation plan?



Do you think I haven't read my plan sometime in the past 2 1/2 years? I know what it says. And no, in this particular case, him having 'sole custody' did NOT leave the decision making up to him with anything except the following: having his address designated as the one the kids use for school (my idea, and left the same in the new order). Religious decisions (my idea, and changed against my specific request in the new order). Choosing daycare providers (my idea since he was ordered to pay for daycare, I figured he should be allowed to choose it). The order clearly states that all other decisions are to be made after consultation and consideration of the other party.

And you're wrong. This is what the MRS say about legal custody and visitation.

Section 452.405
1. Except as otherwise ordered by the court or agreed by the parties in writing at the time of the custody decree, the legal custodian may determine the child's upbringing...

<snip>

2. The legal custodian shall not exercise legal custody in such a way as to significantly and detrimentally impact the other parent's visitation or custody rights.

His standing as legal custodian gave him NO say whatsoever in our agreed custodial periods.



When was I in contempt of the order? Are you addressing my move?
Yes, Relocation of child by parent for more than ninety days, required procedure--violation, effect--notice of relocation of parent, required procedure.

452.377. 1. For purposes of this section and section 452.375, "relocate" or "relocation" means a change in the principal residence of a child for a period of ninety days or more, but does not include a temporary absence from the principal residence.

...

Section 452.310
Petition, contents--service, how--rules to apply--defenses abolished--parenting plans submitted, when, content, exception.... Is this your reference to your custody plan?
 

CJane

Senior Member
Update

So, the hearing lasted about an hour. Lots of round and round and round between attorneys and the judge and the GAL. A couple of times the judge had to remind ex's attorney that we weren't there to rehear the case, and if they felt that enough evidence wasn't presented, then they should have better prepared prior to trial.

The judgement WILL be ammended. It will now include the reasons that the judge ordered the way he did, since they were inadvertently omitted from the current judgement.

So, it will now say something along the lines of "Joint legal custody is awarded to the parties and found to be in the best interests of the children by this court due to the following factors:

The minor children have always and do currently spend more time in the mother's home than the father's.

Petitioner and Respondent are capable of co-parenting effectively and able to make joint decisions regarding the children's upbringing.

The parties were previously exercising a joint custody agreement, and due to petitioner's lack of desire to continue exercising such, he was found to be in violation of the order.

It WILL include "Respondent's relocation to MY TOWN has been approved by the court and found to be in the best interests of the minor children."

There was a typo in the judgement that will be fixed. It was in regards to child support, and isn't a big deal. The actual amount of CS isn't changing.

Ex wanted the 100 mile restriction added back in, and the judge said "You're divorced. This should be about the children, not about parenting your former spouse. Only one of you seems to know that."

The judge also informed Ex and his attorney that they've had a year, a lot of depositions, original motions and modified motions, hearings, and a 9 hour trial. That if they really thought there wasn't a change in circumstance, they should have mentioned it before now. He stated that while a change in circumstances wasn't actually required, that changes DID exist. My motion was filed w/in days of my notifying ex of my move, and within one month of his marriage (which I actually didn't know at the time - he was supposed to get married in September, not June) and both of those are a change in circumstance.

So. All went very well.

The good news is, adding these things back in means that when they take this to the appellate court, they have less to stand on.

The new judgement will be prepared sometime by mid-july, and entered. No more hearings will take place since nothing is really changing, they're just adding in meat that shouldn't have been left out to begin with.

The judge admonished both the ex and his attorney to seriously consider whether they feel that anymore of the court's time needs to be wasted with this matter.
 

fairisfair

Senior Member
sorry...eme said:
good to see all went well...maybe rmet needs to re-calabrate the FA crystal ball;)
oh no, she'll find some reason why she was right, you know she said should, not would, or shall not will, or could not may, or blah blah blah ;) :p
 

CJane

Senior Member
fairisfair said:
oh no, she'll find some reason why she was right, you know she said should, not would, or shall not will, or could not may, or blah blah blah ;) :p
Heh. Let's not make this a bash Rmet thread. Whenever that happens, the threads are mysteriously locked.

I suppose that I should perhaps be scared though, since the judge and the GAL just keep telling me what I want to hear. ;)
 

ezmarelda

Member
CJane said:
Heh. Let's not make this a bash Rmet thread. Whenever that happens, the threads are mysteriously locked.

I suppose that I should perhaps be scared though, since the judge and the GAL just keep telling me what I want to hear. ;)
I honestly was not trying to bash...and I can only hope that things go so well for me in a week...I am driving myself crazy with "what ifs" and "maybes"...your case gives me hope that some judges are actualy good at their jobs;)
 

waitinMd

Member
CJane said:
The good news is, adding these things back in means that when they take this to the appellate court, they have less to stand on.
Why are they taking it to appellate court? Can they do that now, is it worth it? (Sorry, I must have missed something.)

Oh and Congrats! This stress is tremendous!

I am happy to see a judge listening, gives us all hope.
 

fairisfair

Senior Member
CJane said:
Heh. Let's not make this a bash Rmet thread. Whenever that happens, the threads are mysteriously locked.

I suppose that I should perhaps be scared though, since the judge and the GAL just keep telling me what I want to hear. ;)
you are of course, right, it is just so tiresome lately!

Hopefully, they will keep telling you what you want to hear, right up to the time your ex is in his car driving out of the courthouse parking lot.!!:)
 

CJane

Senior Member
sorry...eme said:
I honestly was not trying to bash...and I can only hope that things go so well for me in a week...I am driving myself crazy with "what ifs" and "maybes"...your case gives me hope that some judges are actualy good at their jobs;)

I don't think the 'what-iffing' goes away - ever. I was pretty confident that the judge was going to hand their a$$es back to them today, but I still didn't sleep last night. And I still made sure I was dressed fabulously and my hair was perfect and my makeup was flawless... just like putting on armor before battle.

THe judge kept looking over at me with this look on his face like "I am so very sorry that we're all here today."

A couple of times he said to ex's attorney "I'm sorry, you're going to have to start over, I think you lost your train of thought."
 
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